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John McCain's MySpace Page "Pranked"

Several readers let us know about a little problem with presidential hopeful John McCain's MySpace page. Looks as though some staffer didn't read the fine print of the "credit" clause when selecting a template for the page. The template author and CEO of Newsvine, Mike Davidson, noticed this and didn't care too much. But the McCain page was pulling an image from Davidson's site, costing him bandwidth every time someone visited the candidate's MySpace page. So Davidson changed the image in question to read: "Today I announce that I have reversed my position and come out in full support of gay marriage... particularly marriage between two passionate females." Here is Davidson's account of the "immaculate hack".

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  1. Let's see how McCain handles it by JudeanPeople'sFront · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If he is a good politician, he should make fun of the whole thing (and gain a few votes :)

    1. Re:Let's see how McCain handles it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If he is a good politician, he should make fun of the whole thing (and gain a few votes :)

      If McCain is a good politician and decent human being, he should come out in support of gay marriage.

    2. Re:Let's see how McCain handles it by Sanguis+Mortuum · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Good politician" and "decent human being" are mutually exclusive...

  2. This could majorly backfire by donscarletti · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How long until Mr Davidson gets prosecuted by some lawyer working for McCain who hasn't realised that laughing along with the joke is a lot more dignified than litigation? With the amount the average judge knows about the internet, he could actually be imprisoned for this if some arsehole in a suit and tie crys loud enough. As simple as the case may seem to us, to the general public, defacing a site is illegal hacking, nomatter how it is done and no doubt McCain could get a clueless PHB to testify to that as an "expert witness" if he wanted to.

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    1. Re:This could majorly backfire by whathappenedtomonday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      defacing a site is illegal hacking

      Huh? From the fine summary: "the McCain page was pulling an image from Davidson's site" - how can it be illegal to change the contents of your own website? How could this even be called 'hacking'? If you pull graphics from other websites, prepare to get what you deserve! It says "Pranked" instead of "Hacked" in the summary title for a reason.

      I think he did a great prank and I laughed my ass off - there are some funny comments, too:
      > Jeff Croft
      > Mike, your testicals are very, very large

      >> Mike D.
      >> Thank you. Please spellcheck your genitalia references though. :)

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    2. Re:This could majorly backfire by Ed+Avis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes - but don't expect any common sense from the legal system in anything related to computers or (shiver) 'hacking'.

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    3. Re:This could majorly backfire by kestasjk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You bet they can come up with some crime that vaguely matches this though. Anti-graffiti laws maybe, who knows? A bit of creativity and liberal use of words and you can easily make this a crime.

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    4. Re:This could majorly backfire by BlueTrin · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well, it will not happen for three reasons:
      • he is campaigning so it could be seen as very negative
      • he modified a picture from his OWN website, it would be something very easy to explain
      • the candidate was stealing bandwidth from his website and not respecting the copyright, although he can always blame the website designers he hired for the blog
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    5. Re:This could majorly backfire by pipatron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you know that someone is stealing your lunch everyday, and you know who it is, and you poison the food, I'm sure that they can get you locked up for murder.

      I'm sorry, but I couldn't come up with a car analogy.

      Oh wait! If you set up the bomb in your car so it will explode if someone steals it, and then someone actually do steal it, thus dies, I bet they can lock you up for that too. If, however, you paint the seats, thus ruining the thief's clothes, I doubt the thief can sue you for the dry cleaning bill.

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    6. Re:This could majorly backfire by whathappenedtomonday · · Score: 3, Insightful

      was changed intentionally for the specific purpose of having that image ...
      ...changed (for whatever reason). Which would go unnoticed, unless McCain steals the image for his own site and doesn't even bother to copy it to his webspace. Really, I see your point, but this is ridiculous! The pic was on Davidson's site, and therefore he can change it every which way he likes - without having to notify people who leech his graphics. Why he did it does not matter at all, I think. Instead, you might ask McCain why he used the pic in the first place. Remember, this was not a hack!
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    7. Re:This could majorly backfire by radish · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But this is more like someone stealing gas from your car every day and putting it in their car. Then one day you buy a new car which takes diesel instead of regular gas, they steal that and it wrecks their engine. I think that even in the United States od Litigation your liability in that case is pretty minimal :)

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    8. Re:This could majorly backfire by stonecypher · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've never heard a satisfactory description of why what Randall Schwartz did wasn't wrong. All I've ever heard is people who say "Well can you name anything he did that *was* wrong?"

      Yes, actually, I can, because I've read the court transcripts. If you're going to invoke his name, explain what you think he did. The reason you only said his name, no doubt, is because you read a page like this, which wastes time saying what he was charged with, and listing a bunch of things that aren't actually bad but that are phrased to look bad.

      And yet, if you look around, at no point does that page explain what Randall did. Just what he was charged with. Did it occur to you that the reason you think he hasn't done anything wrong is because you have no idea what he did?

      The legal system presumes innocense. Slashdot arguments do not.

      Now, is Randall innocent? Actually, no. Should he have been penalized in the way he was? No, certainly not, but he should have been penalized. A sensible reaction to what happened would have been to fine him a couple of hundred dollars for misdemeanor vandalism, and to move on. Yes, what happened to him was bad, but you shouln't be invoking a case you don't understand in order to make a point.

      By the by, what happened to Randall wasn't about ignorance regarding computers in any way. It was simple corporate abuse of the legal system. What I asked for was a fault in justice that happened because of a clueless judge . That's not the same as "find me something bad in the legal system that had a computer in it."

      By the way, if the best you can do in a nation of a third of a billion people is a single twelve year old case that has nothing to do with what was actually requested, then I'd say that we as a nation are doing pretty damned well.

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    9. Re:This could majorly backfire by n5vb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      McCain was hotlinking to his site without permission.

      He made a perfectly legitimate change to the content of his own site. The fact that the image McCain's site was hotlinking was affected in the process is not his fault. (And it's theft of service in a way, because he's stealing bandwidth from the legitimate content owner's hosting to do it.)

      I'm sorry, the idea of even someone like McCain pulling a stunt like that is too ridiculous to even think about. It's been tried too many times by too many clueless asshats to have any chance of success. Especially in the current DMCA-flavored IP culture. The fact that a site owner used a particularly creative form of DRM is no excuse to try to coerce him into putting content back onto his site that he chose to remove, and quite honestly, McCain or the staffer who decided to hotlink the image in the first place could actually face a DMCA charge for it. Serve him right, he voted for the damn thing ..

      (saying this mainly because the idea of being forced to keep content up on a site to support bottom feeding bandwidth leeches offends me to the very core of my being)

    10. Re:This could majorly backfire by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not just hot coffee. Undrinkably hot coffee capable of causing 3rd degree burns.

      Coffee is supposed to be served in the range of 185 degrees! The National Coffee Association recommends coffee be brewed at "between 195-205 degrees Fahrenheit for optimal extraction" and drunk "immediately". If not drunk immediately, it should be "maintained at 180-185 degrees Fahrenheit." (Source: NCAUSA.) You cannot put 180 degree coffee in your mouth without getting burned. The NCAUSA is at best an authority on flavor. Their opinion has no bearing on safety.

      Exactly what, then, did McDonald's do wrong? They put the quality of their coffee over the safety of their patrons. If they wanted to serve dangerously hot coffee, they needed to take appropriate steps to keep it off their customers. You can't serve 180 degree coffee by throwing it ina customers face either.

      The plaintiffs were apparently able to document 700 cases of burns from McDonald's coffee over 10 years, or 70 burns per year. But that doesn't take into account how many cups are sold without incident. A McDonald's consultant pointed out the 700 cases in 10 years represents just 1 injury per 24 million cups sold! For every injury, no matter how severe, 23,999,999 people managed to drink their coffee without any injury whatever. Isn't that proof that the coffee is not "unreasonably dangerous"?
      No. You can fire a rifle a thousand times out your car window as you drive down the street and not hit anyone. If on the 1001st shot you plug someone between the eyes, you just try arguing that it wasn't unreasonably dangerous because those first 1000 rounds didn't hit anyone.
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  3. Could have been worse... by L4m3rthanyou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If McCain's people know anything, they'll play it off quietly or joke about it, knowing it could have been a lot worse. A less civil person probably would have goatse'd McCain's myspace instead.

    ...which would have been goddamn hilarious, but I digress.

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  4. A missed opportunity by mobby_6kl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Opportunities like this don't arises too often, Mike should have just replaced the image with hello.jpg.

  5. Oh, please... by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't this like getting financial advice from someone with a hotmail address?


    Oh please... Here's an idea for you: how about you turn on the brain and judge the man (or woman), not his email address or MySpace page?

    Financial advice: either you trust that guy to be a competent economist, or you don't. That's it. If someone has a Ph.D. from Harvard, who gives a rat's arse about whether he has also a Hotmail address or not.

    President: either you trust the guy enough to basically give him a hell of a lot of power, or you don't. The fact that he also has some stupid MySpace page should be the least of your worries.

    Note that in both cases we're not talking about some Anonymous Coward with a Hotmail address or MySpace page, but about someone who's known and easy to check. We're not talking "Moraelin for president" or "NightElf12345@hotmail.com offers you free financial advice", but someone who's well known, and whose credentials and opinions are known, public and damn easy to check. So how about doing just that?

    So you propose... what? That instead of actually checking and judging the person, you'd rather make some superficial meaningless criterion like their email address the top and only criterion? Would you rather take advice from the janitor because he has a more fashionable email address? Geesh...
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  6. Re:Never... er... always check your references by Excelcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He's a war hero - ok, fine. What difference does that make to my point? I don't care if he was Roger Ramjet or Captain America himself, having some campaign flunky set up a myspace account to get in touch with youth is just dumb.

  7. Re:heh? And he wants to be president? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't this like getting financial advice from someone with a hotmail address?

    Yes, it is... but that is only because you're (probably) employed in IT. I had a real hard time explaining my father in law that he shouldn't be using the equivalent of aol.com (not actually, that, but from a national provider) for his business. The worst part is: he's got his own domain.

    No, he keeps using the old address. Normal people don't see the harm in such adresses.

    So, for the masses, I expect that a myspace page would be welcomed.

  8. ABC News, Typical Mainstream Media Sensationalism by bdub1982 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ABC News has an "interesting" http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/03/mc cains_myspace.htmlarticle about this that shows mainstream media's typical sensationalist hype of things and also shows most people's lack of knowledge and general disregard of technology.

    I especially love how the opening line refers to this prank as "a new weapon in campaign digital media warfare", then the article goes on to use phrases such as "McCain didn't give him credit and Davidson sought retribution" and buzzwords like "The Internet battlefield".

    I find Mr. Rasiej's comment that "This just goes to show that the Internet is an entirely new battlefield for many of these candidates and they are going to have to develop sophisticated new responses to deal with them" very interesting, since the "sophisticated new response" to this would have been to show some creativity, design your own image, and not leach someone else's bandwidth with an image that has nothing to do with your message. McCain's incompetent Web designer couldn't even be bothered to notice that the image in question said "No requests for design help please". I don't think I'll be asking McCain or any of his peoplefor design help, especially now!

    The article also goes on to compare this incident with such things as a genuinely serious security flaw discovered in Rudy Giuliani's website and to Phil de Velis's Clinton/Obama mock political ad. And just to stir in a little more controversy, they had to add that de Velis "formerly lived with a current Obama staffer". Big deal!

    Typical mainstream media sensationalistic BS hype! Hopefully nothing bad comes of this.

  9. Re:Never... er... always check your references by grif_mcrenolds · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder how many kids he killed over there. Since when did being in Vietnam make you presidential material? There were guys there who made necklaces out of human ears, so the bar must be set pretty damn low.

  10. Re:Just wandering... by soft_guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Deceiving someone to gain something from them would be fraud. Sounds like pretty much every church and/or politician.
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  11. If he's a good politician.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ..he'll actually change his position for real and support equality for gays instead of joke callously about it while continuing to support blatant discrimination.

    1. Re:If he's a good politician.. by MindStalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But he has supported gay rights for a long time. Yes he has stated he thinks its immoral but I think drink is immoral but I don't support taking away your rights to do so. Look at his voting record he has voted against the marriage amendment and other anti gay stuff. Yea sure he isn't out campaigning for them that doesn't mean he hates them either.

    2. Re:If he's a good politician.. by russotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And that you aren't married (ok, this is /.). That no one is dependent on you. That you don't need to work the next day. That you pay for your own medical care (and no, employer provided insurance does not count--your coworkers end up paying for you) and always will (no Medicare later and no switch to employer provided insurance). So basically if you are independently wealthy to the point of being unemployed and have no dependents, then drinking is only harmful in the actions that you might take when drunk. Otherwise, drinking beyond moderation (one or two drinks a day; averaging towards one) does harm others.

      The underlying premise here has nothing to do with drinking. You are asserting a moral imperative to not harm yourself, to keep yourself healthy, and furthermore to take as little risk as possible.

      It's the same reasoning which leads to cries to ban fast food and potato chips. It's a suffocating view of morality which leaves nothing in the personal sphere. And the only proper thing to do with it is to reject it utterly.

  12. Re:In my day... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Illegal? Oh come on! There isn't even a good analog for this in the world...What they should have done, if they were half intelligent, is made a copy of the image and kept it on THEIR site. What they did was just put a link on the site to a picture that someone else was hosting.

    This is a terrible design practice...Not only can your content change in unexpected ways (this was intentional, but I've seen a lot of humorous unintentional stuff happen with this sort of nonsense) but you're also ripping off the guy who's actually paying for the bandwidth to host the content, because whenever someone goes to your page, he's the one uploading the picture. Total rip off!

    In short, this is completely legitimate...The person who created, maintained, and hosted the image, changed his personal property, and you think that should be illegal?? If the author of the original stuff hadn't put his content out there to be used by other people, McCain's people could have been up for a breach of copyright.

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  13. Your analogy is wrong. by BobBoring · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's like someone driving through your property every day -- that still doesn't give you the right to paint slogans and ridicule on the trespassing cars as they pass.

    No, they were not 'driving through' they were stealing. Every time someone hit McCaine's site the images were pulled from Davidson's site's server. It was just as if they had Mr. Davison's phone card numbers and were making long distance calls on his phone bill. IF you only understand cars then, "It was just as if they were jumping in Mr. Davidson's car and driving it around Mr. Davision's property every day". Does not Mr. Davidson have the right to paint "slogans and ridicule" on his very own privately held vehicle?

    Davidson has the right to change the content on his server any time he chooses. He could have just renamed or deleted the image files and left McCaine with a bunch of red X's on the McCaine site. As other contributors have suggested Mr. Davidson could have chosen other even less friendly images to host on Mr. Davidson's very own privately held server using services for which Mr. Davidson is paying.

    1. Re:Your analogy is wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know what, it's not like a car. It's not like a boat. It's not like a sock. It's not like a mountain dew bottle.

      You know what it is like? Someone had image image tags, which were references to a remote server, instead of a local server.

      It is what it is.

      ac

    2. Re:Your analogy is wrong. by pluther · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hm. Since the image was on his own server, he can't be charged with any kind of computer hacking crimes. Though I suppose it is possible for McCaine to sue for defamation or some such. Davidson *did* change the image with the intent of making it seem like McCaine was endorsing a position he does not endorse. Malicious intent may not be that easy to prove, though. It's obviously a joke, not a serious attempt to fool anyone. Any lawsuit would hinge on the plaintiff trying to prove that McCaine's followers really are stupid enough to believe that it was legitimate. Fox news failed at this strategy when they sued Al Franken for his "Lies and the Lying Liars..." book, and they had a much better case.

      However, Davidson also has a good basis for a counter-suit. McCaine's site did steal his bandwidth and use his templates without giving credit, both of which are clearly spelled out as against the terms of service for using the template.

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