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Dvorak to Apple - Stop The iPhone

eldavojohn writes "John Dvorak is advising Apple to cease all efforts on the iPhone, citing the mobile handset business as a 'buzz saw waiting to chop up newbies.' With Apple's image as a 'hot company that can do no wrong' on the line, Dvorak warns that the extremely fad-prone marketplace for cell phones will quickly turn the 'hot' iPhone passe'. Unless the company has several new models in the pipeline to release after the original offering, he says, they're likely to fail. 'If it's smart it will call the iPhone a "reference design" and pass it to some suckers to build with someone else's marketing budget. Then it can wash its hands of any marketplace failures.'"

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  1. Dvorak Economic Model by freerangegeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) Say something braindead and contrarian about Apple
    2) Get it posted on slashdot to flame contreversy
    3) Get eyeballs on published work
    4) Profit

  2. Re:3G by notthe9 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There isn't currently much network architecture in the US for 3G services. I don't think Apple is opposed to selling a 3G phone when the architecture is in place.

  3. Well if Dvorak doesn't like it... by MoxFulder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And I thought the iPhone was gonna be a flop... but now that John Dvorak says so, I *must* be wrong.

    The man is a giant windbag of nerd conspiracy theories and technical misunderstanding. Why do the slashdot eds. slurp up all of his moonshot predictions?

    1. Re:Well if Dvorak doesn't like it... by Ortega-Starfire · · Score: 5, Insightful
      He's wrong on occasion - but that doesn't mean he's ALWAYS wrong.

      Even a broken clock gives the correct time twice a day, right? Dvorak is about as accurate as that.

      Now that Dvorak has condemned it, I shall now buy stock in Apple, for this is now a sure thing.

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  4. I can think of a couple people who will buy one by bgfay · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Namely nine out of every ten Apple devotees who love their Macs and have loved them for years.

    Oh, and probably 3 out of ten iPod owners who think it would be cool to have their iPod and phone all in one.

    And then there are the people who just have to have latest gadget.

    Let's see, that adds up to...Dvorak being wrong again and again and again.

    I'm not a Mac devotee, but even I can see that the iPhone has "cool" written all over it. People love having the hot new thing. The Razr is one example in the phone industry. The Prius is another in the auto industry. Hell, I even want an iPhone and I'm still using a cell-phone about the size of a brick. I think it was invented in 1983. I already own an iPod, but I want the iPhone too.

    Remember, Dvorak prefers incendiary commentary over researched ideas.

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  5. Zonk Strikes Again! by astrosmash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who else would post a Dvorak troll to the front page? What a waste.

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  6. Readers to Editors: Stop Posting Dvorak Articles! by skeevy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless Slashot is adopting the Dvorak page-hit-generation-model by posting intentionally inflammatory references to intentionally inflammatory articles.

  7. Defining the market by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Obviously every other comment is calling Dvorak an idiot. But I'd like to point out what specifically makes him wrong in this case. Apple has the rare ability to define a market. The mp3 player market, while small, existed before Apple's entry. Now many people call it "the iPod market". Apple basically defined the personal computer and helped spawn the market.

    Apple has the brand recognition and design abilities to redefine the mobile phone market. Dvorak's assumption is that nothing every changes. But he forgets that Apple often seems to know what people want before they even know they want it.

    1. Re:Defining the market by king-manic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The two markets you mentioned (non CD based music players and personal computers) were both infant niche markets when Apple stepped in. I doubt they will fall on their faces but the cell market is a fairly mature industry. Time will tell. I for one will not be getting one asmy Motorola Q has 70% of the functionaity and I can't justify dropping $600+ to bridge the gap.

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    2. Re:Defining the market by larkost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing that the article ignores is that Apple is not entering in the generic cell phone market, they are entering into the smartphone market (or the newly defined "feature phone" market). And as a owner of a Palm-based phone and someone who has used the WindowsMobile phones, I can tell you that that market is still in its infancy. The vendors have no idea how to make a good product right now, and the bar for entry into the market is can you do it at all, not how well. I really hope that Apple can change that and raise the bar so that it will be how good a product you can make.

  8. He'll probably eat his words! by jhfry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple has never been afraid to enter a competitive market... in fact I think they purposely identify markets where innovation seems to have slowed and bring a product that shows the competition where they failed.

    I am confident that the iPhone will be a success. Apple has been VERY good at seeing it's niche and developing the ideal product to fill that void. Once they have filled the niche, they are even better at attracting users who don't NEED the product by showing them a clean, functional, and enjoyable user experience that isn't offered by the competitors.

    I am slowly becoming an Apple fanboy, and I hate to admit that. But when I compare their competitors products, I can rarely find a single one that so thoroughly meets it's customers expectations. Sure there are better music players than the iPod, better computers than the Mac, better STB's than the AppleTV, better media management apps than iTunes, and so on... but find one company that produces these products in such a way that they work as well together.

    My family has recently become a Mac family, and I will get and iPhone for my wife and I because my experiences with other smart phones have all been mediocre at best, and I imagine that the iPhone will "just work" with my Mac. I could make anything work, given enough time, but the griping my wife will do when it doesn't "just work" isn't worth the cost savings. So I'll happily over pay for the iPhone.

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  9. Powerful advice by Random+BedHead+Ed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow, that's powerful advice. Apple is going to jump on this, and fast. I'm pressing refresh on Slashdot so I can be the first to read the next TFA linking to the Apple press release. I can see it now: Despite much work on our iPhone during the past five years, including Mac OS re-engineering and hardware design efforts, and despite notable interest on the part of the public, and despite our investments in marketing the product, and in licensing the iPhone's innovative multi-touch interface, and despite and our legally binding exclusive contract with AT&T Wireless, not to mention our legal agreements with Cisco, and despite ... oh why go on? Suffice to say we're canning it.

  10. It's what was left out that counts. by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The ipod is a very successful product. Part of that comes down to not so much what features it has, but what was left out.

    "Just pack it full of features" is a very easy and lazy way to define products. Add too much detail and you gunk up the UI. It is way harder and more important to figure out what to leave out to make it easier to use and "cleaner" for the target user base. There are huge numbers of features that could have been added to ipod, but some of its appeal comes from relative simplicity.

    iPhone does not need huge numbers of features to be successful. So long as it does the functions that the target audience expects, it should do well.

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  11. Well, in spite of being Dvorak by Bullfish · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He did say one truth which is that the cell phone business is a buzz saw. It is unknown at this time whether "Apple cool" will be enough. There are a lot of players in the market already, and some very good players that know the market. Apple managed to beat the odds with the iPod, whether or not it will with the iPhone remains a big maybe. The other truth he touched on is that people who follow "cool" are notoriously fickle.

  12. As opposed to?? by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I won't even try to argue that Apple *doesn't* have a percentage of customers who will "buy anything they build". Of course they do. But show me ONE successful company who doesn't! As both a Mac and a PC user myself, I find this accusation really tiresome. I know people who will only buy Ford cars and trucks, refusing to even look at what else is out there. I know people who have all Maytag branded appliances, again, just because of their belief that the company can "do no wrong" compared to the competition.

    I think, in reality, *most* people you see who own multiple Apple products do so because they were impressed with the first one, and saw the benefits of owning hardware that inter-operates well. (The "bonjour" sharing capabilities of OS X on a LAN can't be fully realized if you only own one OS X based Mac, for example.)

    And in fact, Mac fans seem to be quite preoccupied with building and arguing over lists of the "top 10" or "top 20" worst Apple products of all time. Even the biggest Mac zealots will usually admit that Apple's Performa 6x00 line in the 90's was garbage, for example.

  13. Re:Slashdot to Dvorak: Stop the Apple Trolling! by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I bring this up every time someone posts some Dvorak drivel, that said...

    Why does Slashdot actually post an article that is classified to the "wave-off-wave-off" department? We all know people are going to think Dvorak is ridiculous flame bate, and we all know most of us aren't going to bother reading his garbage. What's the point of rewarding Dvorak with web traffic from Slashdot?

    Dvorak's predictions about the tech industry, and especially Apple, are about as accurate as Dick Cheney's predictions about the war in Iraq.

    Write a Dvorak filter, put a post-it note on your monitor, do something. By linking to his work you're indirectly paying him to be a tool.

    Christ, if you're going to post John Dvorak articles, you might as well start posting V1AgRA spam that you get in your email.

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  14. Re:Slashdot to Dvorak: Stop the Apple Trolling! by Moofie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You utterly miss the point.

    Apple's core competency is human-machine interaction. The thing they do better than anybody else is user interface. Apple sees an opportunity to improve the user experience for phones, and is betting they can leverage their expertise to improve a pretty lousy situation.

    Are they right? Don't know. But it's NOT similar to Oracle starting to sell concrete.

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  15. Re:We agree and disagree. by naasking · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a product, ehhhh. Who are they selling to? Certainly not Joe Consumer -- who has $499 to throw away on a 4GB iPod, even if it also happens to be a cellphone and web browser?

    Please, I know someone who just bought his son an iPod for Christmas: $299 (CAD). Now he's buying him the bigger model plus a speaker set, because he's getting a good deal on it: $599 (CAD). And this is a guy that's owed me $1000 for over a year now.

    I think you underestimate how much people like their accessories, and how poorly they manage their money. All sensible spenders are people, but not all people are sensible spenders.

    Of course, I think the iPhone could very well be a good buy, but I own two cells and a Nokia 770 (and I still have my Sony clie, and a Newton I got off ebay); overall, the iPhone would have saved me money without compromising what I do with my gadgets.