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48% of Americans Reject Evolution

MSNBC has up an article discussing the results of a Newsweek poll on faith and religion among members of the US populace. Given the straightforward question, 'Is evolution well-supported by evidence and widely accepted within the scientific community?', some 48% of Americans said 'No'. Furthermore, 34% of college graduates said they accept the Biblical story of creation as fact. An alarmingly high number of individuals responded that they believe the earth is only 10,000 years old, and that a deity created our species in its present form at the start of that period.

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  1. Alarming? Consider this... by dvdrsmth · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "An alarmingly high number of individuals responded that they believe the earth is only 10,000 years old, and that a deity created our species in its present form at the start of that period." What's ironic is if you step back from the micro and consider life (and all that surrounds us) at a more macro level, it takes far more faith to believe that a "deity" did not create human life. Reminds me of a quote from a philosophy class in college, "To believe that God does not exist, is to believe that a stiff wind could blow through a junk yard a create a 747."

  2. Re:In unrelated news... by democratssuck · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Ignorance comes from the main supporters of evolution as a worldview, not scientists. Only 51% of physical scientists believe in any form of Darwinian evolution. Embryology as a whole cannot be made to fit ANY part of evolution, and is one field of science where evolution is ignored. When asked for proof the boosters usually say something like "It used to happen but does not happen anymore", or "it happens so slowly as to be beyond detection" or my favorite "its happening all the time". When you define something so broadly nearly anything can be made to fit into a big enough cave. With non-scientific statements like this all over the board by Darwinists you would have to be an idiot to believe in any of it. I say believe because no one can make it happen in the lab (or anywhere else for that matter) so it has to be taken as an article of faith because no one can prove it. Look, instead of talking about how evolution MUST be true just CREATE LIFE IN THE LAB and that will fix it. I am sure that since evolution has to be true and happens all the time that ANY one of you Darwinists can create life in the lab, right?? Go ahead, the whole world is waiting . . . . now for more than a century and a half . . . .

  3. Re:In unrelated news... by huge+colin · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Beacuase you can't possibly have faith (or religion, your choice) and be well educated in sciences, could you?
    Correct. Religion is inherently non-scientific, and cannot therefore co-exist in the mind of a scientific person.
  4. Re:Quick, call in the Hippie Power Squad by Robowally · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Yup, the fittest survive. The atheists keep killing their babies. The religious don't.

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  5. Re:In unrelated news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Er, no. Anyone not a complete idiot would be atheist. So, no, you can't be religious and be truly well educated.

  6. Re:In unrelated news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    *cough* Al Gore *cough*

  7. Re:In unrelated news... by Scrameustache · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Frankly, even the rabidly fundamentalist anti-evolution junkies are aware that evolution is widely accepted in the scientific community. [...]
    I agree; this has to be ignorance, not religious zealotry. 'Is evolution well-supported by evidence and widely accepted within the scientific community?'

    They answer "NO!" at the first half of the question and never take the rest into account.
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  8. Re:In unrelated news... by transporter_ii · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    The one point that evolution can't explain is the creation of the first molecules that make it more likely that other molecules similar to themselves will come to be compared to alternatives.

    And that's what always rubs me in this debate. At some point, evolutionists take a lot of things on faith, because quite simply, given the lack of actual evidence, it is easier to believe than an external being creating life in its full form. But at some point, faith and belief in something that can't be proven is just as much like believing in a God that created us, which also can't be proven (oh, I know, at least one side is "scientific" about its beliefs).

    Now I have my beliefs, but I think if we hadn't have had evolutionist beliefs shoved down our throats from morning until night for all these years, there are few people that would believe that life just sprang from nothing and evolved from a few cells into complete animals.

    If a person had never heard of Darwin's evolution and started studying the fossil record, I'm hard pressed to see that they would have come to same conclusions. Evidence Liebniz's studies some 300 years ago:

    Liebniz's studies of the German silver-mines nearly 300 years ago still serve as a profound read in attempting to describe the untold picture of this world's primordial infancy as reflected in geological formations. Liebniz details a picture which is much different than any trendy evolutionary or impassive geological theory. Liebniz saw, in the Earthy silver-mines, layers and formations of rock indicating a wild, arbitrary, fantastic, confused, totally surprising geomorphic history of a planet Earth bursting with a metamorphoses of forms.

    To put this idea in a more tangible context, Liebniz saw geology in as objective a fashion as we could hope, because he was not over-filled with any preconceived ideas as to what he should see. The contemporary models of geomorphism had not been developed yet and did not hamper his observations.
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  9. Re:Never corner a Christian by detokaal · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    People like you have been trying to stamp out Christianity and Jews for eons either through institutions or murder. But we're still here. That's because humanity doesn't determine the fate of our belief system - God does. And He and His followers will continue to be here long after you and the generations after you have rejected Him and continue to murder and marginalize His followers.

  10. Re:Never corner a Christian by Overzeetop · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I'm going to chime in with a bit of support here.

    Most Christians I know do not actually live by the standards their bible sets. They have very little compassion for thier fellow man, and will gladly take advantage of a situation to amplify their personal profit, even when they would be appalled to be treated the same way. They may attend church every Sunday, but Christians they are not. Sadly, I'm going to part ways with you in one respect - they will not go away. Christianity gives these people a sense of superiority, and plays into their need to be exclusive and special. Christianity is a salve for their egos, and they will pass on that to their children. It is just this superiority which causes so much grief in cross-religion interaction.

    I think it will get worse until it hits a breaking point (inquisition and backlach, for example).

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  11. Great web site raising questions about evolution by rad1836 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Check out this site: http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp. It is a gold mine of alternative information about the "theory" of evolution.

  12. Re:In unrelated news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    all the retards have mod points today. Stupid morons. You'll never be moderators again, because this comment is was not redundant. Stupid idiots.

  13. Re:In unrelated news... by OpenGLCoder · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    My friend, there is no way to prove to you that my God exists if you are unwilling to open your heart to allow him to show you. You can only call people like myself fools because you have not experienced my loving God.

    I believe that my God made a creation through a design that is perfect. Part of that perfection is organisms being able to adapt to their environment. Adaptation is a part of perfection.

    That being said, humanity did not evolve from an ape. We were designed special so that we can have a personal relationship with God. We're the only creatures who can. If anything, apes devolved from humanity - I see the chain of devolution beginning every day at work.

    There is nothing foolish about believing someone who stands to gain nothing by you believing what they say. I believe my God and believe that Jesus Christ is the true savior of the world who came to Earth, lived a perfect life, and died on the cross to pay yours and my sin debt in full. I stand to gain nothing if you choose to persue this truth my friend.

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  14. Weak poll data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    The NEWSWEEK Poll, conducted March 28-March 29, has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points for questions based on all registered voters and plus or minus 6 percentage points for results based on registered Republicans and Republican leaners. In conducting the poll, Princeton Survey Research Associates International interviewed 1,004 adults aged 18 and older.


    I'm no survey expert, but 1,004 seems like a ridiculously small sample pool size when considering the population is well over 300 million. I mean, talk about jumping to conclusions.

    This week the Senate joined the U.S. House of Representatives in passing legislation along party lines that included a "goal" for troop withdrawal by next March. A majority (57 percent) of Americans support the legislation


    Yes, a majority (57%) of 1,004 survey participants agree with the legislation to withdrawal troops. Again, I'm no survey expert, but stating, "A majority of Americans support the legislation," seems disingenuous at best, when considering the size of the sample pool. So, I wonder how credible the other claims in the MSNBC article could be. Perhaps our science education isn't in as much peril as our parent poster would suggest. And if you want my personal opinion, I think all polls are politicized, so naturally I don't trust any of them.
  15. Re:In unrelated news... by sumdumass · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Except that both electronics and evolution are subfields of natural science. If you are prepared to reject evidence of evolution in biology, why not reject scientific evidence in physics (of which electronics is a subset) too if it goes contrary to your belief?

    There is nothing that says they would reject anything else. The only thing religion of creationism touches is evolution. If you would tell me the church and bible somehow says electrons are positively charges or gate arrays are controlled by a higher being then I could see your point. But as far as i know, Evolution has no profound statement outside this false belief that animals somehow change into other animals. And Truth be told, there is just as much evidence for that as there is for creation.

    Furthermore, the "man being the illegitimate son of a monkey" part says a good part of your picture of the fact that man descended from monkeys. Why is this so offensive to some people? I don't see why.

    It is offensive because it is being pushed to the exclusion of other theories with more plausible facets that fit the observed evidence better. The bubble theory of evolution says that once a species was a species it alway is that species but it had developed over the years from the primordial soup that life started in. In this case, we would only be related to the monkey in that we shared the same pool of resources were life began.

    Yes we have, just not in the way the creationists try to misrepresent it. We have seen evolution happen in bacteria and viruses, and in animal domestication and plant horticulture. The creationists excuse this by calling it microevolution, while claiming that macroevolution (evolving a new species from another to the point that they cannot interbreed) does not exist. The difference between the two is just the timespan involved though, as macroevolution is just the aggregate of a large number of steps of microevolution. Arguing that we have one without the other is therefore absurd, which gives the creationists the credibility they deserve, i.e. very low, among the educated part of the population.

    It is ironic that one of the leading scientific views concerning evolution says the same thing. It has nothing to do with creationism or anything of the sorts. But here you are discounting it because creationist has spouted it. Does this say more about the willingness to dissolve any connection to a god then the correctness of different theories of evolution?

    Macro and micro evolution is very real. the differences are profound. so far to date, we have only found evidence of micro evolution and even though bacteria evolve at a much higher rate, they don't produce new species of bacteria. The do however reject other non evolved bacteria of the same type in much the same ways that if you would divide an ant colony, allow both of them to reestablish then attempt to reconverge them they would fight each other. This is evidence of the comunity more then evolution though.

    Actually, believing in god is not the problem. The problem is rejecting evidence of and old earth and gripping for straws to fit the evidence into the creationists' world-view. Genesis could actually be a metaphorical description of the creation of the earth, and does not have to be at odds with the scientific evidence. It is all based on interpretation.

    When genesis is used in this way, it is still discounted. And with the article in question lumping the age of the earth together with non believers of science, it goes directly to the problem with a god. Actually the numbers related to a 10,000 year old humans were less then half of the people who answered who identified themselves as non-Evangelical Protestants and Catholics. There is no reference to this number in real terms of how many people it actually is and yet there is a big problem with it.

    The article in reference is about saying th

  16. this finding explains... by DriveDog · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    why the current administration almost won two elections.