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Google Desktop for Mac Released

Julio Ojeda-Zapata writes "Google on Tuesday will release a Mac version of Google Desktop. This software, like the PC version, indexes the content of a hard drive and serves it up on familiar Google-style search-result Web pages (or via a its own drop-down results list, if you prefer). But Google Desktop for the Mac is streamlined compared to the busy, gadget-y Windows version, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. The focus is squarely on search — including local indexing of an online Gmail account of your choice. It will also index your iDisk."

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  1. Umm by neoform · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does this somehow outperform spotlight without adding vulnerabilities?

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    1. Re:Umm by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

      Gmail?


      Exactly. Spotlight is a desktop search. Google Desktop will index your entire browser history, will index your Gmail account locally, and your Google search history. So, that means you can search across both Web content and desktop content simultaneously.

    2. Re:Umm by rm69990 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "And why would I want to do that?"

      If you need to ask that question, don't bother downloading it, while people who DO want to do that will download it. Sound good? I doubt Google released this to please you specifically.

      Oh, and it's nice to have your Gmail locally searchable while offline without having to use the piece of crap that is called Mail.app (spotlight cannot index Thunderbird, the only desktop client I can stand using).

      What good does an open browser window do you if you're on a plane or bus with no internet connection? You see, there are these wonderful things called laptops. Wireless internet coverage is absolute crap up here in Canada.

      Sorry, but it really bothers me when people say "Why would I want/need that?" just to downplay the usefulness of a product. I can't think of a single product, excluding things like toilet paper, that are meant for every single possible purchaser or user on the planet.

    3. Re:Umm by Gr8Apes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Interesting. I moved to Mail from Thunderbird, because Mail deals with email a little bit better IMHO. While I like gmail, I don't use it exclusively, so I don't have the problem of my mail not being available locally. (There's also the solution of having Mail (or Thunderbird) copy all your gmail locally for those times you're not connected - but that gets to synchronicity issues)

      I'll agree there's no perfect solution yet for the multiple mailbox issue. One of these days, someone will get it right. But I'll stick to my initial statement that G desktop seems largely redundant on a Mac.

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    4. Re:Umm by dan+the+person · · Score: 4, Informative

      I can't think of a single product, excluding things like toilet paper, that are meant for every single possible purchaser or user on the planet.

      You haven't travelled much have you? Many cultures do not use toilet paper.

    5. Re:Umm by Rogue+Pat · · Score: 3, Informative

      spotlight cannot index Thunderbird, the only desktop client I can stand using.
      FYI: David Bienvenue has been making quite a lot of progress on making Thunderbird compatible with Spotlight. The feature is currently still in beta, but if you're interested have a look at bug 290057 comment 61 and further.
    6. Re:Umm by John+Whitley · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thunderbird, the only desktop client I can stand using ??? I use Thunderbird at work, primarily because it's been a choice between it and Outlook. But Thunderbird's mail editor is possibly the worst of any of the modern apps. It suffers from a flaw I thought was confined to the stupidity of MS Word: it is possible to delete invisible formatting marker, mangling the document's formatting. Backspace, backspace, OOPS, your document formatting is hosed. Even worse, sometimes this flaw causes the editor to expose underlying HTML/XML gunk in the editor.

      You might think you could get around all this via editing in plaintext mode, eh? No dice. There is effectively no first-class plaintext mode in Thunderbird's mail editor. E.g. you can change to "plaintext" mode, but all it does is hide the formatting bar.. any fonts in the document remain, but now you can't change them, even to make them fixed width. Pasting into a "plaintext" editor preserves the original formatting -- including the big fonts and glaring colors from that web page you just copied from. So much for WYSIWYG -- there's no way to actually see what the mailer will send out with plain text formatting. You just have to smack it all to "fixed width" and hope for the best.

      Aside from that, Thunderbird's mail filtering is fairly functional and does what I want. It seems to handle large email boxes allright, but its search is pretty slow.
  2. I know this may sound stupid . . . by battery111 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But why do I need a google app to do this when spotlight comes with my mac and does a pretty outstanding job of this already. Am I missing something?

    1. Re:I know this may sound stupid . . . by lpangelrob · · Score: 3, Informative

      I can't be the only person still running 10.3.9 (on 2 boxes). Spotlight just wasn't that killer of an app to me.

      That said, 10.5 looks intriguing, so if the Spotlight-like feature is the only feature of Google Desktop I would need, it would serve my needs for 2 months, at most.

    2. Re:I know this may sound stupid . . . by GreatDrok · · Score: 5, Informative

      "I can't be the only person still running 10.3.9 (on 2 boxes). Spotlight just wasn't that killer of an app to me."

      The download page says you need 10.4+ to run Google Desktop so you're still SOL.

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    3. Re:I know this may sound stupid . . . by badasscat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's kind of interesting, when I first switched to 10.4 I used the dashboard aLL the time, and I used spotlight ALL the time.

      now, however many months later, I don't use dashboard ever, and I use spotlight for 1) typing in application names to start them 2) in File Open dialogs occasionally.


      I use a Mac at work. The first time I tried the dashboard I could not believe anyone thought this was either useful *or* cool; I haven't touched it since. (I use Karamba on my home Linux box, so it's not that I hate widgets; I just don't think the way they're implemented on Mac make them worth using. I'd rather have them persistent, but able to be turned off.)

      Spotlight I use occasionally, but it gives me weird results. I'm sure I'm not using it right, but whenever I do I end up with a million results that have no relation to what I'm looking for. From what I remember, I also couldn't figure out how to search for, say, a set of files with a word in part of the name and a specific file extension.

      If Google Desktop for mac is a little more intuitive and powerful, I'll probably end up using it over Spotlight.

  3. Rather than Spotlight? by dancingmad · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was asking myself the same question every one else is ("why use this instead of spotlight?") and while I'm not 100% convinced to move over to it, The Unofficial Apple Weblog has a good case for using it; if you're using Google homepage and Google Mail, it integrates with those (showing search results on the homepage and being able to download and search your Gmail).

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  4. Re: I don't have a Mac by Tsar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why should I get a Mac when I can do the exact same thing on Vista?

    Thanks, I haven't laughed that hard all week.

  5. Re:I don't have a Mac by AxminsterLeuven · · Score: 3, Funny

    [gandalf]Run, you fool![/gandalf]

  6. Not that big a problem, really by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Google is ignoring Linux again. You might argue that OS X has more users than Linux, which I think is debatable. However then you have to think which desktop on Linux do you target? GNOME? KDE? minimal X (and then accept that your app looks like crap on things like SuSe or Ubuntu)?
    The biggest problem is that "Linux" may be a good platform to target, because the desktop is separated from the OS, you CAN'T target the "Linux Desktop" ...and we see why Linux is a great server platform, but a lousy desktop platform because it's not standardized in the same way.


    That's not as big a problem as you'd think.

    1. Other apps haven't had a problem because of this. Both Mozilla and OpenOffice, for example, insisted on writing their very own framework and widgets, so basically they're _neither_ Gnome nor KDE. Your line of thinking seems to be that that would make them shunned by both KDE and Gnome users, yet that's not really the case. And then there's stuff like XMMS, which doesn't even try to look even remotely like the desktop, and had no problem either.

    2. In the meantime both KDE and Gnome can use each other's themes. So you can just write your app with either set of widgets and it won't look out of place on the other desktop.

    3. I'd buy your argument if it were some really complex app, with lots of forms and controls. Essentially all you really need there is a freakin' web-page-like page, in a frame. As long as you can draw a white background with a rectangle for the input and a button, you're actually good to go for a simple search app. (The borders and title bar of the frame will be drawn by the window manager anyway, so you don't have to worry about those.)

    4. And you don't even have to do that, if your goal is to look like Google. I.e., like a web page. Think about it. You can just serve HTTP on the port of your choice, restrict it to localhost so it's not abusable from outside, your "application" icon just starts a browser on that port. There you go: now the user can use whatever browser they prefer, and have it look like any other page in that browser. They can use Mozilla, Opera, Konqueror if they absolutely have to have a KDE-only environment, or whatever.

    Basically, let's lay _that_ tired argument to rest at least in this case. Linux has some problems with mass adoption, yes, but constantly claiming that you can't write apps because there are 2 desktops... is just false, and it's getting repetitive and boring by now.
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  7. Re: I don't have a Mac by Gr8Apes · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It's even funnier when you realize what you need to run Vista to even get to the point where it "competes" with a Mac:

    • New C2D CPU $200+
    • new motherboard to support that CPU under Vista $200+
    • 2GB RAM minimum to go with that new motherboard: $180
    • new graphics card $300+
    • high end copy of Vista $300+


    Good lord, and that's only if you're adding things to an existing PC! That's almost $1200 right there! Note I'm not talking about pond muck systems, but a system that actually would allow an apples to apples comparison of features with relatively equal quality parts. I think you'll find that these numbers may even be low when compared to a Dell system that will actually be able to run Aero/Glass well.

    Then compare that to the prices for a Mini @ $700, a Macbook ~$1400, a Macbook Pro ~$2200, or a slightly above baseline Mac Pro ~$2800 (including the X1900XT).
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  8. Re:What would have made more sense... by volsung · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm watching it run right now, and Google didn't reinvent the wheel, exactly. Google Desktop is running mdimport (the program that invokes the Spotlight plugins to convert files to collections of terms) in the background. What Google is providing is a replacement/supplement for the Spotlight search interface, but not all of the Spotlight software stack. This is how Google Desktop takes advantage of all your existing Spotlight Importer plugins. (Which are damn easy to write. Props to Apple for that.)

    Spotlight's indexing could use some improvement, so I'm looking forward to seeing how Google Desktop performs on my large collection of PDF and Postscript files. Spotlight doesn't seem to do very intelligent ranking of the documents it returns, so unless the search terms are fairly unique, the results can be impossible to sift through. Hopefully Google (or maybe 10.5) will improve that.

  9. Re:*I'm* missing *your* point? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, /. it pretty much anti-MS even though there are some virulent MS fanboi's here. Most here haven't bought any of the MS marketing pile. Now, that said, I reread your initial comment.

    Mac Minis can be had for $500 or so. The cheapest Vista PC is about $400 and won't run anywhere near the speed of a Mac Mini, runs Vista Basic (basically XP w/ DRM) and isn't the system I'm comparing. The low-end are AMD Semprons, by the time you hit the first dual core systems, you're in the $600+ range.

    I don't care for Vista's new interface design, and the file copy/move/delete issues pretty much kill any incentive to go any further with it. The eye candy is more distracting and disruptive than attractive, and thus kills any attractiveness in it. Add in the DRM'd OS, and there's no reason to run it at all. I like to be in control of what my computer does, thank you, not MS.

    Lastly, just to feed the troll a little more because I'm bored, the main point in running a Mac isn't to run OSX (OMG, I just heard a blood vessel pop!) but rather to run the things that run on it. OSX doesn't get in my way, and I am able to accomplish something other than futzing about with my OS.

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