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EU Rejects Microsoft Royalty Proposal

pallmall1 writes "According to MSNBC, The Financial Times has reported that the EU is going to drastically reduce or even eliminate Microsoft's proposed royalties on interoperability information required to be released by the EU's antitrust ruling issued three years ago. According to a confidential EU document, "Microsoft will be forced to hand over to rivals what the group claims is sensitive and valuable technical information about its Windows operating system for next to no compensation...". Even Neil Barrett, the expert picked by both Microsoft and the EU to oversee Microsoft's compliance with the 2004 ruling, says a zero percent royalty would be 'better.'"

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  1. Re:EU = still playing where it doesn't belong by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If said company is holding a monopoly, then yes.

    Monopolies are, by their very definition, the bane of free market. Should you be able to hold a monopoly over a certain area of the market, the free market starts to crumble because it cannot employ its power.

    In a truely free market someone could come along with a new and better idea and that new/better idea would sell better because the product is better. That's the theory behind it all. Competition amongst producers, with the consumer being the decider which product is best, giving the producers of "good" products their money, so they thrive while the ones with the "bad" products perish.

    This does not work in the presence of a monopoly. MS can produce the worst software and they would still be the top sellers. Simply because companies have invested a large amount of money into their line of products.

    If MS can hold its specs under cover, companies would be forced to keep buying from MS, even if their software is inferior, because competing software would not be compatible. Which, in turn, contradicts what free market dictates as the doctrine of the best product being the best selling one.

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  2. Re:I want to get paid!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes yes, we've heard it all before. Why not just set up a cronjob (Sorry, Scheduled Task) to post this inacurate and uneducated drivel? It could save a lot of time and effort: you wouldn't even need to spend time ignoring the replies that keep pointing out how wrong you are!

    don't start or remain a tech company in Europe.

    Phillips, Nokia, Sony Ericson, Siemans and the hundreds of other small and medium technology companies all agree with you.

    P.S: Remind me, which country convicted Microsoft of abusing it's monopoly position first?

  3. Re:I want to get paid!!! by temcat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What intellectual property? It's not copyrights - MS is not required to give code. It's not patents and not trademarks. What EU wants is the info on how the code works, so that other software vendors could make software that properly interoperates with the products of a monopolist that Microsoft is. This is only fair.

  4. Re:I want to get paid!!! by Vihai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The iPod should publish it's interfaces so that people can make competing iPod software.
    Yes

    Sony should be forced to reveal all of the hardware interfaces in the PS/3 so that people can make their own add-on devices.
    Yes

    Google should be forced to publish their search engine core to prevent vendor lock-in to Google search.
    No Now, try to find out why...
  5. Re:EU = still playing where it doesn't belong by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Said companies didn't enter in a contract with MS to guaranty 100% compatibility for their MAPI enabled apps.

    Which they should not have to, as MAPI is (supposedly) an open standard.

    MS' doing what they can to keep backwards compability. That's the only guaranty MS can give.

    It's spelled "guarantee". And that would be great, if they were trying to do that -- instead of deliberately trying to break the competition in subtle ways.

    They have done this before. Take msn.com, which had a ridiculous typo in its stylesheet -- in a version of the stylesheet only shown to Opera users.

    Coincidence? Maybe, but consider that this never, EVER happens the other way around -- that is, msn.com never has typos that break stuff in Internet Explorer, and their own API changes never break a Microsoft product.

    Even if MS have access to a few undocumented MAPI calls, it's still their right to have those undocumented.

    No, it is not. It is blatantly anticompetitive behavior. Using their complete dominance in the Operating System business to support their Email Client business -- or even their Office Suite business -- is not just unfair, it's actually illegal.

    MS doesn't owe me, you nor anyone else nothing.

    You don't have a clue about antitrust laws, then.

    Maybe it's different in Britain, but here, this kind of shit is considered illegal and wrong -- except, I suppose, for those who have contributed a large amount of money to political campaigns. (Notice how the antitrust suit against MS was dropped as soon as Bush got elected -- and notice how much MS (and MS executives) contributed to the Bush 2000 campaign.)

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  6. IP == "free market?!" WTF?!??! by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now, let me get this straight - simply taking a companies' intellectual property with next-to-no compensation is being argued on "free market" grounds? Mind-boggling.

    Mind-boggling? No, what's really mind-boggling is that we're in such a Bizarro would that people somehow think it isn't "free market!"

    Here's a newsflash: so-called "intellectual property" is a government-granted monopoly. It is an artificial construct of law. It is the opposite of a "free market!"

    In a truly free market, so-called "intellectual property" would not exist. Everyone would be free to make whatever widgets they wanted, without having to worry about whether some whiny ass claimed to think of the idea first. That's a "free market!"

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  7. Re:EU = still playing where it doesn't belong by dprovine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only reason Microsoft has the position they do is that the governments of various countries have made it illegal for you to access information in certain ways. If it wasn't for government interference in the free actions of individuals, there would be no copyright laws at all. The government interferes with people's activities in this case because they contend an overall social good results.

    Now, the governments have concluded that interfering with Microsoft will produce an overall social good. For Microsoft defenders to speak as if government interference is always a bad thing is ridiculous: they are complaining about the very thing that gives Microsoft any position at all.

  8. Re:Uhm, aren't they the criminals here? by gnasher719 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    '' The EU is basically demanding MS to hand over their IP for free. ''

    Actually, they are not. What MS is supposed to hand over for free is in no way intellectual property.

    Lets say for some reason a product needs to transmit two numbers A and B. They could be transmitted in the order A, B or B, A. They could be transmitted as decimal numbers in text format, or binary. If binary, they could be transmitted as 8, 16, 24 or 32 bits in various byte orderings. All these variations are completely arbitrary and cannot be considered to have any intellectual value. However, for compatibility a competitor needs to know which of these arbitrary variations a product uses.

    This information could at most be considered a trade secret. In this case, however, keeping that secret a secret would be illegal, therefore it is not a trade secret.

    There is no reason at all why Microsoft should get any compensation for this information.

  9. Re:I want to get paid!!! by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And wouldnt even be necessary if they had complied with standards in the first place.
    The EU should force microsoft to comply with published standards, or if necessary extend and publish the extensions to those standards (and propose the standard be updated accordingly).

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