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Hacker Replaces iPod HDD With Flash Memory

Via a Wired Blog, an anonymous reader wrote with a link to a post on the Geek Technique website. There, post author Mark Hoekstra details how to replace an iPod's HDD with flash memory. It's not an inexpensive procedure, as 16 Gigs of flash memory is still a mite expensive, and the post is not a 'how-to'. Just the same, the project took painstaking work and is well worth recognizing. "I guess I can say I found ways of eliminating almost every hard drive out of almost every hard drive based iPod thereby eliminating all moving parts. The only one left is the iPod video which would only need a slightly different adapter. But next to that I've got a gut feeling that one's being upgraded to flash memory by Apple themselves any time soon."

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  1. Since Apple makes flash based iPods... by catbutt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is the point?

    I suppose its impressive from a technical point of view, but isn't the point of hacking generally to do something you couldn't already do by just selecting a different model?

    1. Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... by iamacat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The point is that he is selling his adapter to people who want more battery life or skip protection out of their video iPods.

    2. Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The highest capacity iPod made by Apple is the 8gb nano. This guy has twice that amount.

    3. Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The point of this in my opinion is that you can take your old iPod and flash base it, rather then buying a whole new iPod. Plus 16GB of flash memory is still more then the original HDD of some iPods, even 8GB of flash would be an upgrade, and cheaper then a new iPod with the same storage capacity.

    4. Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not just battery life and skip protection, but reliability. No moving parts means less damage due to jarring motions.

    5. Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What is the point?
      Spoken like a true non geek! Why exactly are you on slashdot again?

    6. Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you must have an iPod, then yes, then the current flash based models will do music, but they won't play video, nor do they have a large enough screen for decent photos or videos. There are flash models that compete with the nano that can play video, I had a Sansa e2xx something, but it was clunky and the screen is tiny.

    7. Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting
    8. Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple does make their three lines of iPods slightly different with different features. The iPod 30GB and 80GB can play video and have a 14 and 20 hr battery life respectively. The iPod nano is 2GB, 4GB, and 8GB models. These models have about 24 hr battery life. While they do have color screens, they cannot play videos. This guy seemingly has customized his iPod to be a hybrid. Twice as large than a nano but can play videos.

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    9. Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Informative

      I stand corrected. It doesn't play videos. WTF was the point? :P

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    10. Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... by dmsuperman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not to mention since he put a flash based drive in there, he could probably put one of those 32 or 64GB flash based drives in it. If I had to guess, the three biggest problems with iPods are the screens, hard drives, and batteries. Eliminate one by buying a batter pack, and replace the HDD with a solid state drive and you greatly reduce any risk of problems with your iPod.

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    11. Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... by markdavis · · Score: 2, Informative

      >These models have about 24 hr battery life Strange- I have a nano too... I am lucky to get 5 hours out of it. 24 hours? Impossible.

    12. Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... by alisson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The point is that he is selling his adapter to people who want more battery life or skip protection out of their video iPods. Stop using a jackhammer while listening to your iPod. No, seriously, it's not easy to make them skip. And if you simply must listen to your iPod while jack-hammering for more than 20 hours straight, and don't mind having a rather limited hard-drive, why not just get a freaking nano? They're cheaper, with a longer battery life, and already have a flash drive.
    13. Re:Since Apple makes flash based iPods... by Piazzola · · Score: 2, Informative

      Good thing, too. I got one (as a gift; wouldn't have picked it out for myself) and while it was still an iPod and therefore totally decent, I couldn't get Apple support for it when it went wonky, and HP support was crap, like usual. I can't wait for this one to really die so I can justify going and getting myself a new one.

  2. how to not write a 'how to' by Virtual_Raider · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm confused by the summary. It talks about how the article gives details on how to do it, but it's not a 'how to'. Er... huh? But back to topic, I think this is cool as a technical hack but a bit pointless unless for some strange reason you absolutely need the battery life that I suspect is the only gain. Then again, getting to know how to (but not 'how to') swap your HDD might come in handy when those flash-based HDDs come to the market at reasonable prices.

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  3. Re:How about for my laptop? by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, I got one from NewEgg. The pinouts on a CF card are pretty close to IDE already. There are adapters that will connect your CF card to either a desktop IDE interface or to a laptop one, they have pins for both on the same card.

  4. Inverse by corychristison · · Score: 5, Funny

    I, personally, prefer the inverse of this hack.
    Go 6 second battery life!

    1. Re:Inverse by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmmm, puts the use of Fast Forward in a whole new light...

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    2. Re:Inverse by frostband · · Score: 2, Informative
      6 minute battery life

      the standard bat. life was measured at 8:00+ (more than 8 hours) and the modified nano's life was 0:06 (6 minutes)

  5. Waste of time by Wiarumas · · Score: 2

    As impressive as it might be, its a waste of time. Lets just wait a year or two before Apple makes this standard.

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    1. Re:Waste of time by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds like you are the one who wants to waste time--one or two years to be exact.

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  6. Finally... by teebob21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure, I'm relatively new here, but it sure is nice to see a /. headline that I truly love. Did you notice the word 'hacker'? It was used correctly!

    Hacking has always been about using technology to do something you normally couldn't do. The original hackers built the foundations on which the Web lives. The media and other public opinion sources have vilified all the good hackers by lumping them in with the crackers, script kiddies, and other generally nasty online personas.

    Hackers continue to advance the state of technology, whether its writing new bits of the Linux kernel or by upgrading a typically non-user-servicable iPod. The article says it itself: Apple will eventually offer a Flash-based model. Granted, they might have done this themselves eventually, but if the populace starts modding their iPods to run Flash, it only pressures Apple to move forward. Think about the early case modders: Windows, lights, case paint other than beige....Now about 70% of cases I see on Newegg have windows and LEDs.

    Whether Fox News wants to admit it or not, hackers will continue to drive innovation. Not MS, not Apple...

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    1. Re:Finally... by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They do offer a flash version. It's called a nano. It's also smaller.

    2. Re:Finally... by nacturation · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hacking has always been about using technology to do something you normally couldn't do. The original hackers built the foundations on which the Web lives. The media and other public opinion sources have vilified all the good hackers by lumping them in with the crackers, script kiddies, and other generally nasty online personas. Whenever I hear "cracking" I think of removing annoying copy protection from video games. I've always seen hacking as being morally neutral. As you say, it's using technology to do something you normally couldn't do, such as gaining root access on a system or making free long distance phone calls. The word cracker seems to be an after-the-fact invention to subdivide hackers based on morality.
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  7. Re:How about for my laptop? by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Informative
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  8. Not exactly hard by Spazmania · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd be impressed except that compact flash is electrically and programatically compatible with the ATA spec *by design* so replacing an ata hard drive with compact flash requires only mating the two physical plugs.

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    1. Re:Not exactly hard by Technician · · Score: 4, Informative

      From the article, the 1.8 inch drive is not pin for pin compatible with ATA/CF. Pinouts for both are listed in the forum.

      This makes not exactly hard into not exactly easy.

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  9. Cheap iPod mini by canadiangoose · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I had an iPod mini that was stolen a couple of years ago, and I've wanted a new one ever since. With this hack I can buy a broken one used (and cheap) and put in a couple of gigs of flash myself. Cool. I'm not looking for something that hold too much, no videos or anything. As a plus, I can upgrade it as flash prices drop. Sweet!

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  10. Re:Useless by Sitnalta · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's only a matter of time before larger capacity cards come out. And it's only a matter of time before they become dirt cheap. Just because it isn't very practical now doesn't mean it won't be in the near future.

  11. Re:Useless by jfuredy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Less storage then a regular size iPod. More than twice the cost of two 8GB iPod nanos. Other than for the sheer sake of proving it can be done, why is this hack impressive again? Well, for one thing, he got you and many thousands of other people talking about it and thinking about it. That's how new things are learned and discovered. Trying new things and learning from them. At least he actually DID something, rather than just questioning why other people do things on /. .
  12. Re:Umm... So? by sarahbau · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do you think everyone runs out and buys the newest iPod as soon as it's released? There are tons of people out there with 4GB Minis, and 10-20GB 2G and 3G iPods that this would actually be a storage upgrade for, not to mention reliability improvement and increased battery life. All of the models I mentioned have hard drive based storage, which is by far the most likely component to go bad due to it having moving parts. It also means you can't really jog with these models due to skipping. I suppose you also can't skip with one of them due to jogging. 8GB Compact Flash cards are under $75, and $16GB cards are just over $200 and dropping fast. I'd consider replacing my 10GB iPod's drive with an 8GB flash drive if I used it for jogging or wanted longer battery life (I only use it in my car).

  13. More iPod Hacks by wehe · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hacking the iPod and modding other portable media players seems to be an interesting hobby for computer nomads. The Repair4Player project lists all kinds of repair, upgrade and hacking guides for portable players.

  14. He wants to make these adapters? by FuryG3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    They already exist! $25 for one that supports one flash card, and $30 for one that supports 2. :)