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Birthplace of Silicon Valley in Shambles

CowTipperGore writes "Founded by William Shockley in the mid-50s, Shockley Semiconductor Lab is generally credited with starting the Silicon Valley boom. When he was unable to lure his former Bell Labs coworkers to join him, he filled his ranks with the best and brightest engineering school grads, including Gordon Moore and others who later went on to form Fairchild Semiconductor and Intel. The building at 391 San Antonio Road, Mountain View, California, is the original site of the company but, unlike the HP Garage, this building has received little protection or preservation. It recently housed a fruit stand, where visitors could find a small display about Shockley above baskets of fruit. The fruit stand is now closed, leaving the future of the building in the air."

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  1. Opening bid... by beckerist · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do I hear 100$?

  2. Sounds like a guy worth honoring... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the Wikipedia link:

    Instead he founded the core of a new company in the best and brightest new graduates coming out of the engineering schools.

    Only a year later the staff was already fed up with Shockley's increasingly bizarre behavior. In one famous incident Shockley's secretary accidentally cut her finger and he became convinced it was a plot against him. He then ordered everyone in the company to take a lie detector test to track down the culprit. It was later demonstrated she had cut herself on a broken thumbtack and Shockley calmed down, but the damage was already done. This had proven to be a decisive example to several key personnel of Shockley's increasing paranoia, and a group of eight engineers decided they had had enough.


    As for the building itself, I always have a bit of a struggle in deciding how to approach potential landmarks. The problem is that every time we reserve land as a "landmark", we reduce the ability of that particular area to advance. That land could be used for a larger, more modern building supporting new and exciting development. And yet, what would we lose to history if it was torn down?

    In the end, I think there must be a balance struck. Unless the site is incredibly valuable to history, it should be thoroughly documented (including the transfer of any and all objects/materials related to the site to a historical society) and then allowed to be replaced or torn down.
    1. Re:Sounds like a guy worth honoring... by jfengel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I often hang around with a historian, who loves to stand in the places where historical events occurred and soak up the atmosphere, in a sense peering into the past. It gives her a perspective of the place, and perhaps an insight into the minds of those who shaped history there.

      I like to think I'm immune to such things, but on some of those trips I find myself similarly taken in. I didn't really need to see the Magna Carta or the Rosetta Stone or the Codex Hammurabi; I can read the texts more clearly and get better views via photographs. But on the other hand it's the FREAKING MAGNA CARTA and it's right there in front of me.

      I'm afraid that fruit stand isn't going to mean much to me, but I can see it meaning a lot to somebody else.

    2. Re:Sounds like a guy worth honoring... by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I grew up in that general area and, trust me, there are a hundred thousand banal light industrial buildings just like the one mentioned in TFA, many of which had equally important industrial advances made in them. That hardly merits spending a single dollar to protect any of them. If the building has some architectural significance, it might be worth saving but if it's just another tilt-up/concrete block box, I say go ahead and raze the thing if there's a good reason.

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    3. Re:Sounds like a guy worth honoring... by evw · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unlike the HP garage, which behind a reasonably cute house in a reasonably cute neighborhood (and HP has put up the money to buy and restore the house and garage), Shockley Semi was in a very unremarkable building. It's great to have a landmark sign there but do you really need to preserve the cheap building?

      Just a few blocks away is another notable site:

      http://ohp.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=21522

      NO. 1000 SITE OF INVENTION OF THE FIRST COMMERCIALLY PRACTICABLE INTEGRATED CIRCUIT - At this site in 1959, Dr. Robert Noyce of Fairchild Semiconductor Corporation invented the first integrated circuit that could be produced commercially. Based on 'planar' technology, an earlier Fairchild breakthrough, Noyce's invention consisted of a complete electronic circuit inside a small silicon chip. His innovation helped revolutionize 'Silicon Valley's' semicondutor electronics industry, and brought profound change to the lives of people everywhere.
      Location: 844 E Charleston Rd, Palo Alto

      It's also in a pretty unremarkable building.

      Just a few blocks from the HP garage is another interesting site:

      NO. 836 PIONEER ELECTRONICS RESEARCH LABORATORY - This is the original site of the laboratory and factory of Federal Telegraph Company, founded in 1909 by Cyril F. Elwell. Here, Dr. Lee de Forest, inventor of the three-element radio vacuum tube, devised the first vacuum tube amplifier and oscillator in 1911-13. Worldwide developments based on this research led to modern radio communication, television, and the electronics age.
      Location: In sidewalk, SE corner of Channing Ave and Emerson St, Palo Alto

      That building is already long gone. Unless there's something remarkable about the building or you have a sympathetic property owner, I say let progress march on.

    4. Re:Sounds like a guy worth honoring... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think there is an issue of scale...I mean, standing in George Washington's home, or standing on the Pyramids, contrasted with a dinky fruit stand that was really more like the building that housed the first failed startup (complete with hellish boss) that contained a group that moved on to do great things.

      It's pretty slim.

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    5. Re:Sounds like a guy worth honoring... by jackbird · · Score: 4, Informative
      Can you imagine downtown being pretty much a museum?

      Come visit Philadelphia sometime. It's nice.

    6. Re:Sounds like a guy worth honoring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here, Dr. Lee de Forest, inventor of the three-element radio vacuum tube, devised the first vacuum tube amplifier and oscillator in 1911-13. Worldwide developments based on this research led to modern radio communication, television, and the electronics age.
      Location: In sidewalk, SE corner of Channing Ave and Emerson St, Palo Alto

      You mean the same Lee DeForest who couldn't explain how his amplifier worked? It's certainly historical as a monument to big money and the ability to obtain priority of a patent from the rightful inventor. I am referring of course, to Edwin H. Armstrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Armstrong

      A building is just a building, unless it's the Pyramids, Stonehenge or a cathedral, it's not worth preserving just because some event took place there. It's the people who created that event that count.

    7. Re:Sounds like a guy worth honoring... by khallow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Keep in mind the dinky fruit stand was home to a business failure that did a lot more than the Pyramids did. I think it would be very educational if the building were restored to what it looked like when it was used by Schockley and his surly staff.

    8. Re:Sounds like a guy worth honoring... by Plutonite · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have stood on the great pyramid and have been in Alexander's room of enlightenment, and Saladin's wall of Cairo, and the scenes of many great battles where tens of thousands died. Let me tell you: it's all a dinky fruit stand. Chirping crickets, blowing sand. We just like to fool ourselves.

    9. Re:Sounds like a guy worth honoring... by rlp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thanks, I didn't know that. BTW, if you get to Cambridge University, the library has (on display) a draft copy of 'Principia Mathematica' with written annotations by Isaac Newton. Much more recent, but still worthy of a geek pilgrimage. (A copy of a manuscript of "Winnie the Pooh" is in the same room).

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  3. wtf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's just a building. Fuck it.

    Should we preserve the garage where the first shoelace was invented? Should we go back and make a museum out of every little place a startup was born?

    It's a fruit-stand. let it go. Stop living in the past.

    1. Re:wtf? by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your comparison is wholly incongruent. The ancient architecture that defined a civilization is remembered by visiting the historical sites of Rome. What, exactly, would future generations gain from visiting this former fruit stand? There is nothing of specific significance to what happened there. It deserves a marker on a post (which it got), the building itself lends nothing to history.

    2. Re:wtf? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You think the Romans wouldn't have torn it down if they could have? It's not like they had reliable explosives to make it collapse like we do now. Imagine you'd have to tear down that stadium with pickaxes.

      The collosseum was abandoned (or rather, ceased to be used) because they switched to the Christian faith and those games were seen as heathen. Do you REALLY think they would not have torn it down if they had any chance to? We have a rich history of destroying 'heathen' places of worship, you think some huge reminder of that time like the collosseum would have survived if they saw any chance to actually destroy it?

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  4. Seems fitting by 0racle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Reading about his paranoia makes leaving the place in shambles seem almost fitting.

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  5. Since it is a "tech building" by session_start · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why not preserve its memory in a virtual world. That way you could use the physical land for something more useful, and still have the digital landmark for everyone to tour... I'm sure someone could make it happen and even profit from it...

  6. Who cares? by Seumas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can we all just grow up and stop being attached to physical buildings? Who cares if it's "historic"? Push the fucker down and build something useful there. At what point do we not let every square foot be taken over with a building that has some significance to someone in the past but no tangible use in the present? The fact that we're wringing our hands over a tech building rather than sacrificing it to progress is ironic.

  7. Nooooooo! by Dr.+Photo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not the fruit stand! Please say the fruit is ok!!

  8. Um by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've never heard of any important Silicon Valley history centered around anything called the "Shockley Semiconductor Lab." The HP Garage is, in fact, the generally-acknowledged birthplace of Silicon Valley. There can be only one of those.

    It's true that Shockley was a co-inventory of the transistor, but that happened on the East coast, at Bell Labs. (Shockley was also a racist fucktard of the first magnitude, a genuinely-unlikable sort who managed to alienate pretty much every professional colleague he ever had.)

    If Shockley's lab in California gets replaced by a parking garage or whatever, I'm sure it's no great loss. HP is, and was, where it all got started.

    1. Re:Um by jhfry · · Score: 3, Informative

      After reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley I wouldn't really give the HP garage that honor.

      Considering that "... it was Shockley who first brought silicon to the Santa Clara Valley..." [wikipedia], he is indeed what started Silicon Valley. However, if he had never started his lab, with the number of high-tech companies already in the area, and the likely switch from germanium to silicon by the industry, Silicon Valley would probably still have earned its name.

      Sure HP was the first startup to open in the area as the result of Terman's efforts to encourage local college graduates to start companies locally instead of moving to LA. However they were not into silicon until after Shockley came. I would argue that the valley should be renamed to honor Terman, as it was his ideas that led to the valley becoming the high-tech center that it is.

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  9. Lol by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think we should tear it down so future generations can imagine it to have been an amazing place, instead of just another chunk of disposable cinder block.

    Seriously. While I'm all for preserving historic architecture this place is a fricking dump...It was a dump even when it was new, just the kind of place that you would expect to house a startup that was run by a crackpot who only hired kids straight outta college (because his former colleagues refused to work with him).

    Tells you something about the place that during the 50s a bunch of kids right out of school were so fed up that they quit in a group after one year. Think how likely that would be today, and imagine what it would have been like back then, when you expected to stay with a company much longer.

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  10. Re:Wow it's tiny. by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

    NOW it makes sense that the best microelectronics comes out of Japan...

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  11. I Liked That Fruit Stand by KaiserSoze · · Score: 3, Informative

    I lived up the street from that joint for about 10 months. I loved that place; cheap fruit, and an extra bonus of shopping in the birthplace of silicon valley. Also: they sold odd foreign fruits that people from Wisconsin hadn't often seen before.

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    1. Re:I Liked That Fruit Stand by fizzup · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's it! I propose the Wisconsin 100-point scale for measuring the oddness of foreign fruit: the percentage of people from Wisconsin who have seen the fruit three or fewer times.

      Due to the expense of polling, we will only ever know Wisconsin numbers for very few fruits, and those will be known only to very low accuracy. Many of them will really only be wild guesses. For example, did you know that the kumquat is a 62 on the Wisconsin scale?

  12. The place is a dump by dwbryson · · Score: 3, Informative

    I used to work in this building about 8 years ago. There was an ergonomic furniture company, and I did their IT as a part time job during college break. Inside it is basically just a large warehouse, with concrete floors and a leaky roof.

    The place was a posterchild of those California "This location contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer." From what I remember when they were developing the IC with all the various chemicals that entails they would just dump the extra chemicals in back(there is a parking lot there now).

    When I was there the owners of the company had a half-hearted attempt to get the property designated as a landmark, as others have suggested. But I assume that it all fell through given the current circumstances.

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  13. Smart but messed up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Problem being how do you acknowledge Shockley Semiconductor and all of the good that Bill Shockley did whilst minimizing all of the, well... "not good" that he did?

    Do some reading - he was a brilliant but utterly offensive man who had one idea in his head (Shockley diode) at Shockley Semi which he stubbornly kept to, basically forcing himself out of the business and his engineers to start their own companies.

    So his role in the creation of Silicon Valley was twofold - he planted the original seed, then forced his own people to leave and start their own (competing) companies in the same area, obsoleting him and his ideas.

  14. Nostalgia by sakusha · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.

  15. Evil Lair by GammaKitsune · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Shockley" sounds to me like some kind of super villain name. Like he should be called Dr. Shockley, and have energy-based powers derived from an accident while working as a scientist at the power company. Or something. This coupled with charges of racism and paranoia makes it even better.

    I say we save his Lab, and "restore" it so that it takes the shape of his head. Put a deathray in there, and have tours. I'd go see it.

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  16. Re:Apple Joke by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Funny

    The building where PCs were born, now only stocks Apples.

  17. He may have been a Nobel prize winner... by hemp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But when he died, Stanford didn't even have a memorial for him due to his insistence on correlation between white skin and intelligence and advocation of eugenics to weed out the undesirable darker skinned races of the world.

    http://www.pbs.org/transistor/album1/shockley/shoc kley3.html/

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    1. Re:He may have been a Nobel prize winner... by turing_m · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wikipedia has an article on him.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shockley

      The PBS article is a hit piece. In the controversial area of race/IQ/dysgenics, you will notice that there are no quotes from Shockley. Instead there is negative value judgment after value judgment without any references or specifics.

      Even with the wikipedia references, I notice that there are very few quotes to be found amidst many value judgments about his "(ob)noxious racial views". Surely if they were indeed that horrible they could treat the reader to a direct quote or two?

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