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S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Using Unlicensed Assets From Doom 3?

Posted by Zonk on from the that's-a-serious-charge dept.

segafreak writes "ShackNews reports that S.T.A.L.K.E.R.:Shadow of Chernobyl may contain unlicensed assets from other commercial games such as Doom 3 and Half Life 2. Though this has yet to be confirmed by any of the developers involved, if true this would be somewhat worrying. 'Responding to inquiries made by Shacknews, id Software CEO Todd Hollshead stated: I've seen a post on a web forum that claims DOOM3 assets are used in another game, but we've been working hard on Enemy Territory: Quake Wars as well as our own internal project and have not had the time to fully investigate or otherwise verify that the claim is true. Only from what I've seen on the Web, it's concerning. However, it may turn out to be nothing.'"

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  1. Brown AND Gray! by jandrese · · Score: 4, Funny

    OMG, that could be true. I'm pretty sure S.T.A.L.K.E.R. has brown walls too!

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    1. Re:Brown AND Gray! by operagost · · Score: 2, Funny

      But does it have crates?

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  2. Specifically... by ACS+Solver · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems that Half-Life 2's normal maps and water are used. For those too lazy to read TFA. Wouldn't it be ironical if the reason Stalker finally turned from vapourware into a real product is that they "borrowed" HL2 and D3 assets...

    1. Re:Specifically... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, it would not be 'ironical'. It would be 'ironic'. Ironical is not a word.

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    2. Re:Specifically... by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wouldn't it be ironical if the reason Stalker finally turned from vapourware into a real product is that they "borrowed" HL2 and D3 assets..

      Indeedy. Or it could be even more ironicalized, and a totally ironicalizational version of "Duke Nukem Forever" could be made using stolen components.

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    3. Re:Specifically... by Cyberax · · Score: 2, Informative

      Boris Strugatskiy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkady_and_Boris_Str ugatsky) allows copying and reproduction of his works without royalties. He's a rare example of a writer who does not write only for money.

      I've played STALKER and it's absolutely not similar to HL2 or Doom. I don't deny that they may have 'borrowed' some models (probably, it was accidental) but the game itself is absolutely NOT a rip-off from Doom/HL.

    4. Re:Specifically... by Cristofori42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ironical is not a word

      Looks like one to me..
      http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/ironical
      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ironical

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    5. Re:Specifically... by Minwee · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's good. You just lie there and be ironical.

  3. Two CEOs in, one CEO out! by davidwr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I say let the corporate execs fight this out the new-fashioned way...

    An in-game cage match.

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  4. Possibly not stolen by vr0p · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the linked screenshots, the alleged borrowed assets appear to be shaders or bumpmaps and such. That is, tools for the map developer that the gamer doesn't "see" per se. Perhaps, like sound effects, companies license the use of such "tools"? I know I've heard the same gunshot noise in 500 movies and video games, and that crazy death scream...

    1. Re:Possibly not stolen by dunezone · · Score: 2, Informative

      I swear Ive heard that damn door opening sound from Doom in so many different places, home, work, school, etc.

    2. Re:Possibly not stolen by freshmayka · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Commercial businesses provide a ton of licensable and even public domain content for developers to use. It's like stock photography but for things that game developers need like textures, bump maps, sound effects, etc.

      It's also possible being that HL2 and Doom3 are highly moddable games that an individual on the STALKER team borrowed assets because they needed quick place holders but then they forgot to replace them - or it's also possible the assets they borrowed are in the public domain.

      Still, I've seen this getting a lot of coverage on the web and some people even insulting the developers saying things like "only russians steal". It's quite ridiculous considering the artists clearly spent thousands of hours designing unique assets for this title. It's like harping on three or four words used in a novel that also appear somewhere else.

      Even if this was flat out stealing assets from one game to use in another, it appears to me not unlike stealing a high-hat from one song to complete your song. It's such a small piece of the artists work that it seems silly to consider it a stolen asset used to get rich quick - so sue the crap out of them. What is more likely is the asset was just "the right one" and the artist used what worked best in that situation.

      Still, if the files in question are actually (c) to a specific company, I still think it's unlikely they'd take much legal recourse over it. It'd be hard to prove it has caused major damages or that it's been the sole reason STALKER is making money.

      oh and for reference, I understand what it's like to have your violated. my music is all over russian mp3 websites being sold and I don't see a penny. But hey it's getting out there! :D

    3. Re:Possibly not stolen by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the linked screenshots, the alleged borrowed assets appear to be shaders or bumpmaps and such.

      The du/dv and normal maps for Half-Life 2's water definitely aren't shaders - they're inputs for shaders, but don't themselves contain a single line of program code. As with Doom 3's light textures, they're definitely artwork - while the player indeed won't 'see' them as they appear in the games' datafiles, they're quite distinctive and do contribute to the original games' artistic directions.

      It would be quite strange to licence such textures from third-parties. They're not photographically sourced, so no big photo libraries would carry them - and in the case of the light textures, anyone halfway competent with Photoshop could make some decent facsimiles from scratch fairly quickly. It makes sense to buy sound libraries (to save shooting guns, breaking objects and releasing monsters in a clean and tidy office) and photo references (need to find some rusty old machines, tumble-down buildings etc.) - but not 128x128 pixel blobs of light.

      I suspect the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. graphics programmers were independently implementing some fairly similar engine features to Doom 3 and Source, and to test their work 'borrowed' the shader input textures from the games they were emulating. Then, through forgetfulness, miscommunication or deceit, the original placeholders got left in the game.

      I can't see it as being an attempt to save time or money during development - the screenshots I've seen contain some vastly more difficult and impressive map, character and prop texturing, so their artists are definitely more than capable of knocking together some quick light textures. Maybe a programmer did the original borrowing, and nobody on the art team realised where these new textures were actually from?

      Moral of the story, though - don't use other people's stuff as placeholders. You might forget!
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    4. Re:Possibly not stolen by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 3, Funny

      Still, I've seen this getting a lot of coverage on the web and some people even insulting the developers saying things like "only russians steal".

      Yeah. GSC is Ukrainian!
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  5. Interesting by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While the Mapcore post that first made the alert was made on April 1st, I have remained skeptical mostly because of the very generic nature of the naming systems. How easily could two different companies come up with nearly identical images called "grate7" or "fanblade." I dabble in texture making a little and, for me atleast, all water normal maps turn out nearly the same, so I don't think I see the HL2 connection. We do know the developers are fans of HL2, though, as they refer to it directly in the game. I am significantly less skeptical about the Doom3 connection, however, once I noticed a certain file entitled "hellgate1"

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    1. Re:Interesting by DeltaSigma · · Score: 2

      Those of us intimately familiar with Doom3's assets know that the pictures floating around with this story do contain Doom 3 image maps.

  6. Re:troubling if true by CogDissident · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Remember this is a Zonk story.
    It is a allegation that stalker may possibly use the same assets as are used in HL2 or D3, and an assumption that they did not pay for the rights to use these (through purchasing the same developer tools, or simply paying eachother off).

    Good ol Zonk, posting a story that is not just an assumption, but an assumption of an assumption.

  7. "Worrying Development"? by RexRhino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know I haven't been able to sleep since I heard this story! S.T.A.L.K.E.R., might have (may have, even), used some highly generic normal-mapping textures that the user doesn't really see, from other games!!! God damn that is worrying!

    Think of enourmous damage that has been done to the Half Life and Doom franchise by such a thing! I was looking forward to the next Doom game, but it is all ruined for me now.

    The next thing you know, people will be sampling a half second loop from other people's songs, adding other musical elements over it, and turning it into a new piece of music! And children will be encouraged to cut pictures out from magazines, and glue them on another piece of paper to create a new piece of artwork... IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS EVEN!!

    Won't someone think of the childre... er, the big multinational corporations!!!

  8. Absolutely true by UncleRage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With the small exception that it actually came out a few weeks back and, with some exceptions, is a relatively polished game. True that MP isn't nearly what many had hoped (8+ coop anyone?), but that doesn't detract that despite the long development cycle... it's a real game, not vapor.

    And, IMHO, it's a pretty good game at that. So, yer post is absolutely true... with the exceptions of comparisons to Daikatana and DNF. Oh and the bit about the boards... they're pretty jumping, actually.

    So other than the inaccurate reference to those other two games, and the comment about the dead forums... man, you're right on!

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  9. Re:Procedural texture generation by C0rinthian · · Score: 2, Funny

    Perhaps the troll posts are generated procedurally?

  10. Possibly not stolen-BSDHolders. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I use the GPL as a placeholder.

  11. Finally! by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 4, Funny

    S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is the mod that makes Doom 3 fun!

  12. Re:S.T.A.L.K.E.R. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Steal Textures And Later Kreate and Eventually Resell? You started out well... But unfortunately with one "and" used in the acronym and another not-used... It kinda killed it for me.

    Perhaps: Steal Textures, Abduct Lightmaps, Keep Extracted Resources?
  13. Re:The infamous gunshot noise by blincoln · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's an infamous ricochet sound that's appeared in dozens of movies.

    According to one of my music/audio professors back at University, the reason for that is that it's very, very difficult to get a real ricochet to happen (I assume this is qualified by "...in a way that's safe for the shooter and audio engineer."). I seem to remember something about the people who recorded it having someone shoot thousands of rounds to get a handful of ricochets on tape.

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