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Record High Frequency Achieved

eldavojohn writes "Researchers at UCLA Henry Samueli School of Engineering and Applied Science managed to push our control of frequencies to another level when they hit a submillimeter 324 gigahertz frequency. As any signal geek out there might tell you, this is a non-trivial task. 'With traditional 90-nanometer CMOS circuit approaches, it is virtually impossible to generate usable submillimeter signals with a frequency higher than about 190 GHz. That's because conventional oscillator circuits are nonlinear systems in which increases in frequency are accompanied by a corresponding loss in gain or efficiency and an increase in noise, making them unsuitable for practical applications.' The article also talks about the surprising applications this new technology may evolve into."

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  1. In other news, dogs in the area go berserk by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    The article also talks about the surprising applications this new technology may evolve into

    Like making your dog's head explode.

    1. Re:In other news, dogs in the area go berserk by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Funny

      The article also talks about the surprising applications this new technology may evolve into

      Like making your dog's head explode.


      The article talks about the military being interested in acquiring the technology so they can see through peoples clothes, and that was the best you could come up with?

      That's weak.

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    2. Re:In other news, dogs in the area go berserk by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Because the wavelength is submillimeter, you may image through people's clothing," Chang said. "For example, it would be possible to remotely view if some civilian walking up to you has plastic explosives hidden under his coat."
      Yah. I know that's what I'd use that technology for.
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    3. Re:In other news, dogs in the area go berserk by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      Whoa whoa whoa, slow down...Slashdot submissions have articles now? I only started reading the summaries last week!

    4. Re:In other news, dogs in the area go berserk by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bah, just give them a few drinks and you'll get all of their clothes off the old fashioned way.

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    5. Re:In other news, dogs in the area go berserk by rwyoder · · Score: 3, Funny

      The article also talks about the surprising applications this new technology may evolve into
      Like making your dog's head explode. I usually just use a Slim Whitman album for that.
    6. Re:In other news, dogs in the area go berserk by jesdynf · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, is that what that is? I just thought you were putting some Vienna sausages in the refrigerator.

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    7. Re:In other news, dogs in the area go berserk by s_p_oneil · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What site do you think you're on? This is Slashdot, where most of the submitters can't even get a girl to accept a drink. ;-)

    8. Re:In other news, dogs in the area go berserk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why would you want to see a guy with plastic explosives drunk and naked?

    9. Re:In other news, dogs in the area go berserk by fuego451 · · Score: 2, Funny

      It was Martians, not dogs, but I'd still mark you 'Funny' if I had points. I guess Slim still doesn't get any respect in the US and all the UK mods must be asleep, or too young to remember.

    10. Re:In other news, dogs in the area go berserk by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just can't believe my previous post has an "Insightful" rating.

      I'd say "You must be new here." but obviously you aren't.

      For the record I'm happily married with kids too. Fortunately, there are women out there who can appreciate nerds for what they are.

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  2. Nooo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Think of the bees :p

    1. Re:Nooo! by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or worse, the dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you.

    2. Re:Nooo! by rizole · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!

    3. Re:Nooo! by cafucu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, don't laugh! That actually happened to Winnie the Pooh...

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  3. How they did it by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The researchers first generated a voltage-controlled CMOS oscillator, or CMOS VCO, operating at a fundamental frequency of 81GHz with phase-shifted outputs at 0, 90, 180 and 270 degrees, respectively. By linearly superimposing these four (or quadruple) rectified phase-shifted outputs in real time, they ultimately generated a waveform with a resultant oscillation frequency that is four times the fundamental frequency, or 324 GHz.
    Sounds like there's room to scale, using this method.
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    1. Re:How they did it by ToxikFetus · · Score: 5, Informative

      The researchers first generated a voltage-controlled CMOS oscillator, or CMOS VCO, operating at a fundamental frequency of 81GHz with phase-shifted outputs at 0, 90, 180 and 270 degrees, respectively. By linearly superimposing these four (or quadruple) rectified phase-shifted outputs in real time, they ultimately generated a waveform with a resultant oscillation frequency that is four times the fundamental frequency, or 324 GHz.

      This sounds a lot like a phased-lock loop. And yes, from the article, it appears as though this does have pretty good scalability. TFA said 600 GHz is achievable. 324 GHz a nice because fog is transparent at that frequency.
    2. Re:How they did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "TFA said 600 GHz is achievable. 324 GHz a nice because fog is transparent at that frequency."

      So in twenty years time cars will have an anti-fog display on the windscreen (which will have the ability to switch between transparent and display mode), which will make travelling through fog much safer at high speeds (let's just accept that cars will not have an auto-drive mode by then, eh?).

      On the downside, many crashes will occur because pedestrians on the sidewalk will appear to be naked! Perverts will be making the school run even worse as they hang around outside schools. And we'll all accept it as the price to pay for safety and anti-terrorism requirements.

    3. Re:How they did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can indeed do this.
      No linear combination of terms of the form sin(a*x+b) can give you a term in sin(c*x) with c != a, but feel free to try.

      They superimposed rectified quarter-phase signals
      So that's the not-so-sine wave I was talking about. How about we mod *you* down for misrepresenting a post just so you can tear it apart and appear knowledgeable?
    4. Re:How they did it by leighklotz · · Score: 2, Informative

      This sounds a lot like a phased-lock loop
      It doesn't sound like a PLL to me; a PLL has VCO in it, and this is a VCO, but the VCO is just the oscillator part.
      I.e., where's the phase comparator?

      It sounds more like a quadrature oscillator with 4 outputs. Oscillators have an inherent need for a 180 degree phase shift, and a quadrature oscillator gives you two outputs 90 degrees out of phase. This one gives you 4 outputs 90 degrees out of phase, which seems a bit of a trick.

      It may be some variant on the Bubba Oscillator, which uses 4 stages to reach the 180 degree inversion, but of course the output of each of those is 45 degrees.

    5. Re:How they did it by tlhIngan · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's actually no indication of feedback at all here (which is the whole point of a PLL). In general, actually, feedback slows systems down. They do mention that they are using a VCO -- also used in PLLs -- but I get the impression that the purpose here is to, say, generate frequency modulated radio signals; such a modulator would be an open-loop system.


      Perhaps the technique is standard frequency mixing, a standard technique used in practically every radio receiver these days. It's basically a three terminal device - you feed in two signals, and a third one appears. If the mixer is your standard physics lab ideal mixer, you get the sum and difference frequencies at the output. (In reality, you get the sum, difference, and a bit of bleed through of the original signals). It's used by radio receivers to downcovert the original signal to a 10.7MHz IF (which is how things like "radar detector detectors" work - by detecting the VCO output which would be the expected frequency plus or minus 10.7MHz, and how some radar detectors use non-standard IFs to prevent this). So they'd have three mixers, which can be completely passive devices, first two combine two to get the doubled frequency, then the last one to get the quadrupled one.

      All it really needs is a non-linear device to make mixing happen. If you've every been near a transmitter and heard the radio go nuts, it's because the local transmitter is causing the input amplifier to go non-linear and mix its signal with your desired one, also known as intermodulation distortion.
    6. Re:How they did it by TerranFury · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Perhaps the technique is standard frequency mixing [wikipedia.org], a standard technique used in practically every radio receiver these days.

      Aye, the heterodyne radio receiver. Yeah, I could see them using a mixer! That doesn't mesh with what's described, but, then, (unless I am missing something), what's described doesn't make a ton of sense:
      From TFA:

      The researchers first generated a voltage-controlled CMOS oscillator, or CMOS VCO, operating at a fundamental frequency of 81GHz with phase-shifted outputs at 0, 90, 180 and 270 degrees, respectively. By linearly superimposing these four (or quadruple) rectified phase-shifted outputs in real time, they ultimately generated a waveform with a resultant oscillation frequency that is four times the fundamental frequency, or 324 GHz.
      How can any linear system create an output frequency unequal to one of the input frequencies? I could see rectification as providing a frequency doubling -- but that's old, old news, generates horrid output, and is probably not what's referenced here.

      So maybe the article gets it wrong, and you're right?

      If somebody else could shed some light on this, that'd be cool.

    7. Re:How they did it by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A full-wave rectifier works like a frequency doubler, and the article makes it sound like they've extended that to get a frequency quadrupler.

      One significant point here is that the FCC only claims jurisdiction up to 300 GHz.

  4. Hardly the highest frequency! by oskay · · Score: 5, Informative

    Precision phase coherent control of lasers has become possible in the last ten years- Laser beams at frequencies exceeding 1 PHz (10^15 Hz) have been precisely controlled, phase locked, and tuned to have frequencies that are *exact multiples* of our best microwave frequency standards (e.g, cesium). It works the other way too-- our most precise microwave-frequency signals come from divided-down optical frequency references now! See also: 2005 nobel in physics.

    1. Re:Hardly the highest frequency! by niro5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I agree, my girlfriend reached a far greater frequency when she found a spider in the bath tub. Old news.

    2. Re:Hardly the highest frequency! by insignificant1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, people have achieved higher frequencies, and controlled them very precisely, as you point out; however, such oscillators aren't CMOS oscillators. That's the news, that they've built a CMOS oscillator at such a frequency, not that they have achieved the highest frequency ever to be controlled (which would be a joke). Not exactly what the /. headline implies, though.

    3. Re:Hardly the highest frequency! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was able to get your girlfriend to emit some fairly high frequencies also, and it had nothing to do with a spider.

    4. Re:Hardly the highest frequency! by jcorno · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's an optical frequency. Well, UV, but still, totally different from what they're talking about. Your example has to do with electronic states of matter. They're talking about circuitry.

    5. Re:Hardly the highest frequency! by oskay · · Score: 4, Informative
      The work with the CMOS circuits is clearly an important achievement.

      However, both the Slashdot title ("Record High Frequency Achieved") and summary ("...managed to push our control of frequencies to another level ...") do seem imply that frequency control has not been possible at frequencies that high before. So, it's important to point out that while it's a record, it's only a record within context. (Records within context are fun; you can do anything with them. For example, I hold the bicycle land speed record for all persons with my SSN.)

      In any case, it's *not* totally different. Both are examples of frequency control, which is it's own discipline that spans precision timing and applications in all frequency ranges, from RF (on chips and in free space) to optical (on chips, in fibers, and in free space) and beyond.

    6. Re:Hardly the highest frequency! by alexj33 · · Score: 3, Funny

      This thread so far reads like the end of your typical "Star Trek: TNG" episode-

      Wesley Crusher: Of course! We can defeat the aliens if we hydrogenate that wormhole near the stellar core whatchamajigger, since superconducting SIS mixers and Jopsephson junction local oscillators achieve a phase-locked operation up to 500GHz.

      Geordi LaForge: That could destabalize the laser beams at frequencies exceeding 1 PHz (10^15 Hz) which have been precisely controlled, phase locked, and tuned to have frequencies that are *exact multiples* of our best microwave frequency standards.

      Wesley: Right. Just like in the academy.

      Picard: Make it so.

  5. That's nothing by lelitsch · · Score: 3, Funny

    More than 15 years ago, quite a few of the students at the physics lab I was teaching had their oscillating circuits reach 483 terahertz and more pretty easily. For a short amount of time that is.

  6. This makes me wonder ... by LaughingCoder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... how they are able to visualize such high frequencies. How do they know they succeeded?

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    1. Re:This makes me wonder ... by MrP-(at+work) · · Score: 3, Funny

      They got a Vista score of 5, so obviously it's running at 324GHz

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    2. Re:This makes me wonder ... by pclminion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "High frequencies?" We're not even talking terahertz here. The frequency of VISIBLE LIGHT is about a million times higher. This frequency is "high" in the sense that it is one of the highest frequencies ever achieved with an oscillating circuit. It's nowhere near the highest frequencies humans have ever produced or measured. So how do they "visualize" these frequencies? Probably with the same techniques they use to visualize frequencies trillions of times higher?

  7. So you're saying... by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 3, Funny

    They found frequencies... they didn't even know existed?!

    +1 funny
    -8 bad movie
    -9000 overrated

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  8. Sorry, been done before and topped... by AetherBurner · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out http://www.arrl.org/qst/worldabove/dxrecords.html for the Amateur Radio DX records. This was achieved long ago and at higher frequencies. Highest RF frequency used for a confirmed two-way communication was 403 GHz between WA1ZMS/4 (FM07ji) and W4WWQ/4 (FM07ji) on 21-Dec-2004 over a distance of 1.42 kilometers. Achieving a frequency is one thing but being able to use it is another.

  9. T-rays by kebes · · Score: 3, Informative

    This technology is another step along to road to widespread technology exploiting Terahertz radiation, which is the region of the EM-spectrum between IR and microwaves. Near the end of the article, they mention the possibility of creating imaging systems that can, for example, see through clothes. These applications of so-called T-rays have in fact already been demonstrated. For example, the image in this article shows a man concealing a knife, which is easily visible in the T-ray image. (See also some other pictures here.) T-rays reflect strongly off of metals but can penetrate to varying extents through things like clothing and tissue. The military and security applications are obvious. However it would also bring up new kinds of medical imaging, and has been investigated for quality control, too (for example, scanning the inside of foods in assembly lines, etc.). In the previous link I put, there is an example of scanning through a Hershey bar, where you can see the positions of the nuts.

    Suffice it to say this is an area of active research that may have many, many applications.

    1. Re:T-rays by Tribbin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Too bad you can camouflage the reflecting T-rays by wearing a T-shirt.

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  10. If aliens are calling... by JAB+Creations · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If aliens are calling then they'd probably be using frequencies along those lines. The logic would be that if they found using such frequencies to be technologically challenging to use why would they bother to communicate with an abundance of lesser civilizations when they could potentially benefit from communicating with equal or superior civilizations across the cosmos?

  11. Short amount of time??? by msauve · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Red/orange LEDs typically have a lifetime measured in the 10,000+ hour range, when reasonably driven. A $1 blue LED will provide a reliable 600+ THz.

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  12. That's nothing by Koyaanisqatsi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My flashlight achieves orders of magnitude higher frequencies in a snap!

  13. In other news..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    People across the nation began shitting themselves for no apparent reason. Victims recall feeling an unusual vibration in their bowels before immediately discharging feces. Some believe an evil genius may have finally discovered the "brown note". For Action 11 news I'm....oh god.....>PPHHBBBBHHTTHHHHH!!!!!

    Take that Mythbusters!!!

  14. "submillimeter" by ebcdic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sincer "submillimeter" implies a frequency greater than 300GHz, it makes no sense to talk about "usable submillimeter signals with a frequency higher than about 190 GHz".

  15. Nice try by Headcase88 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This post was clearly planted by the U.S. government.

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  16. Sounds like extension of the push-push oscillator by MetaDFF · · Score: 3, Informative

    What they did sounds like an extension of the technique used in push-push oscillators to "double" the oscillation frequency.

    The basic principle behind a push-push oscillator is that two out-of-phase signals of fundamental frequency f_o are combined such that the fundamental signal and the odd harmonics cancel, while the second harmonic at 2*f_o add constructively. In the case of a push-push oscillator, you only need two signals 180 degrees out of phase. This could be generated with a differential VCO.

    Using a push-push oscillator is a well known technique for increasing the frequency of oscillation of a VCO beyond the fMAX of a transistors at a given process node.

    The only disadvantage with push-push oscillators is that you end up losing a lot of power as the second harmonics's power will always be much smaller than the power in the fundamental frequency of the VCO.

  17. new clothes by mekane8 · · Score: 2, Funny

    So will we now start seeing tinfoil underwear to go with the hats?

  18. M$ was waiting for this ... by garry_g · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... as it will finally allow a PC processor to run at the speeds necessary to have fluent Vista GUI ... now if someone would invent the 16TB ram chip, so that the also necessary 64TB of main memory could be added to said machine ...

  19. Big deal by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can create an even higher frequency for a fraction of the cost.

    (Turns on flashlight)

    I can even send information.

    (Blinks flashlight)

    I admit the data capactity needs work, though.