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Firefox Usage Near 25% In Europe

PARENA writes "French researcher Xiti claims that Mozilla Firefox keeps winning terrain in Europe. 24.1% of Internet users in Europe use Firefox. Slovenia (44.5%), Finland (41.3%), Croatia (36.5%), and Germany (36.2%) lead the way, followed by a group of mostly Eastern European countries. Remarkably, The Netherlands is only at 13.3%, right before Andorra. Oceania maintains a slight lead over Europe, at 24.8%; the rest of the world trails at 11.9% to 15.1%."

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  1. Re:Ballmer chair jokes.... by Ariastis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Your wrong. The IE team needs help moving furniture around.

  2. Yeah but... by misleb · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wasn't the Amiga also popular in Europe at some point? Nothing wrong with the Amiga, just pointing out that you can't always use Europe as a gauge for success. ;-)

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    1. Re:Yeah but... by lavid · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought we were at war with East Asia....

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    2. Re:Yeah but... by jfengel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nope. Eurasia is the enemy. Eurasia has always been the enemy.

    3. Re:Yeah but... by Foofoobar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah and wasn't legalized prostitution, hashish and Monty Python also popular in Europe? Shows you that they have it al over us and US. :)

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    4. Re:Yeah but... by kakofb · · Score: 4, Funny

      Map of the World
      Oceania is made up of Kangaroos and Xena and the few surrounding unmarked islands.

    5. Re:Yeah but... by shaitand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      'Wasn't the Amiga also popular in Europe at some point? Nothing wrong with the Amiga, just pointing out that you can't always use Europe as a gauge for success. ;-)'

      You might be right. But the Amiga was vastly superior to any other PC available at the time (or for some time after Commadore went out). Hell they still used Amigas for the graphics on Babylon 5 years after Commadore went out. It could be that Europeon usage is a measure of quality rather than success?

    6. Re:Yeah but... by shaitand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      'Yeah and wasn't legalized prostitution, hashish and Monty Python also popular in Europe? Shows you that they have it al over us and US. :)'

      Yes it does, prostitution and hashish are just good clean fun. The US just has a problem with them because it was founded by puritans and remains full of pruds to this day. Snooby pruds at that, here in the US we actually think our outlook is superior because our outlook includes viewing ourselves as superior.

    7. Re:Yeah but... by lewp · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you kidding? Not only is legalized prostitution very popular with lawmakers, they're also its most proficient practitioners.

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    8. Re:Yeah but... by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Interestingly it was Commodore US that dragged the whole thing down... It was Commodore US who were responsible for the lack of development on new amiga hardware (although amiga was ahead of its time when it first came along, commodore did very little to keep that advantage), and it was commodore us that went bankrupt.
      The UK and German arms of commodore were still profitable, and there was even talk of commodore uk buying out the american parent company.

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    9. Re:Yeah but... by PinkyDead · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is 'snooby' a word? If it isn't it should be.

      As should 'prud'. I don't know what they are, but I like them.

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  3. IE States: More Useful? by Gamefreak99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be more useful to look at the stats for Internet Explorer than those for Firefox? I'm sure many Europeans use Opera or Safari, besides just Firefox?

    Got to give props to the Firefox guys though. They're getting there :)

  4. sounds way of low for home users by dattaway · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm getting around 82% firefox, 16% IE.

    OS platforms are 88% windows, 9% Mac, and nearly 3% Linux.

    Are other people seeing this?

    1. Re:sounds way of low for home users by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm getting around 82% firefox, 16% IE.
      OS platforms are 88% windows, 9% Mac, and nearly 3% Linux.

      This tells me nothing until I know the target audience for your site and the number of visitors.

    2. Re:sounds way of low for home users by ant-1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      This tells me nothing until I know the target audience for your site and the number of visitors. Dude, GP poster has an ID lower than 5000 ! He could well have the data compounded from half of internet servers, including yours. So do as every smart slashdotter would do : accept his numbers and nit-pick them a bit and pray he doesn't pull the plug from your petty web server...
    3. Re:sounds way of low for home users by JanneM · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude, GP poster has an ID lower than 5000 ! He could well have the data compounded from half of internet servers, including yours.

      Or he could have been running a Gundam doll fan site for the past five years ("They're not dolls! They're action figures!!!"), thereby solidly representing the browser choices of the still-living-at-home-at-35 demographic.

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    4. Re:sounds way of low for home users by Tom · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If ID counts, here's some more numbers. It's from my game site, which has a fairly broad audience (few grandfathers, but lots of fathers and kids from 11 up) from around the world:

      Firefox - 4295627 hits - 65.3 %
      MS Internet Explorer - 1651317 hits - 25.1 %
      Opera - 319524 hits - 4.8 %
      Mozilla - 127876 hits - 1.9 %
      Safari - 64764 hits - 0.9 %

      And that with IE dropping and Firefox gaining share has been a steady trend for the past 3-4 years. Maybe my site gets more early adopters, and I am actively pushing Firefox (the only banner/ad I've ever had on my site), but the trend is still there.

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  5. A small victory by hansamurai · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm impressed with Slovenia and Finland at over 40% penetration. Though they're relatively small countries population wise, the Firefox teams have really made a substantial impact there. These successes are what it really takes for people to notice Firefox in the mainstream. 40% probably puts them near the share Internet Explorer has locally which is definitely a great step. The article also shows Australia at 25% which is awesome. Great numbers all around, keep up the great work.

    1. Re:A small victory by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Regardless of who made it...

      IE:
      Has poor support for standards like CSS, and has done for years thus stunting web development. Very little has been done to fix this, even in 7.
      Has loads of outstanding rendering bugs
      Completely stagnated for 5 years, and only had development resumed due to pressure from firefox (again stunting web development)
      Supports activex, which is incredibly poorly designed and a security liability.

      I would like to write my site using modern CSS features. I can't, because people viewing the site with ie wouldn't see them properly. And rather than degrading appearane gracefully, it makes a half assed attempt at rendering the CSS resulting in a really ugly look.
      IE is a horrendously outdated browser, the sooner it dies, the sooner the web can move on.

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  6. Two important questions... by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. It mentions 96,000+ web sites were monitored for the purpose of determining this. What were they? Were they evenly distributed by raw population? By internet-using population?

    2. Does this survey make any attempt to take into account 'individual PC users' vs. 'internet cafe' users? i.e. Is this percentage of COMPUTERS or percentage of USERS? (Or, more likely, percentage of individual web hits?)

    I can't find any technical details on how this survey was conducted, other than the slight mention of number of websites involved.

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    1. Re:Two important questions... by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Another question,and this is not a troll.

      For years many OSS and Firefox proponents have claimed that MS crippled the web and killed innovation with IE. Now that the IE monopoly is crumbling whats changed? I dont use either browser and frankly my browsing experience is the same as it has been for the last few years. Wheres all this innovation I was told I was missing?

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    2. Re:Two important questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We aren't held back by everybody using Internet Explorer. We are held back because enough people use Internet Explorer. Even if only one in ten people use Internet Explorer, that's enough to force the average website to ensure compatibility.

      Furthermore, it's a vicious circle. If web developers aren't taking advantage of nifty things like SVG, then there's far less pressure on browser vendors to incorporate these features.

  7. Linux came from Europe... by feranick · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you didn't notice...

    1. Re:Linux came from Europe... by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 4, Funny

      have you ever been to Pluto? No you haven't, so don't go bad mouthing the Plutonians when you don't know shit about the things they've invented, what did they ever do to you? It seems declassifying them as a planet was just the start, when will this wave of Plutophobia stop?

    2. Re:Linux came from Europe... by pipatron · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not to mention WWI and WWII.

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  8. I must be ignorant by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whats Oceania? I thought it was a made-up supernation from Orwell's 1984.

    Firefox is fast becoming newspeak for "web browser".

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    1. Re:I must be ignorant by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's called Australia, after the only nation of any importance on it. Sort of like "America", but slightly less kick-ass.

      :p

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  9. The numbers for the Netherlands are not surprising by name_of_feather · · Score: 4, Informative

    Remarkably, The Netherlands is only at 13.3%

    I don't find that remarkable at all. I lived in the Netherlands for a few years, and one of the things that struck me was how Microsoft-centric the universities were. A huge percentage of the Computer Science students had never even tried an OS other than Windows! (I come from one of those sunny countries in the south of Europe, and that's where I attended university. There, the various flavours of Unix — mainly Linux of course — ruled and continue to rule inside the Computer Science department). Therefore it doesn't surprise me at all that the Dutch are still stuck in the yesteryear of Internet Explorer.

    As time passed, I realised that part of the reason for the Dutch situation has to do with a certain spirit of conformity and of "trying not to distinguish yourself too much from your peers". Granted, it has its positive sides — like a fairly equalitarian society — but also downsides like this one.

  10. Re:Nice indeed, but... by mr_matticus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You think a country full of people who don't care about an illegal war in Iraq, the abuse of our rights at the (blatant and unveiled!) hands of our president, or any apparent concern for the finer points of logic and reasoning would actually give a crap about what browser they use?

    Their computers come with Internet Explorer, and it's good enough. They're not going to embrace Firefox just for the sake of it, because they're entirely apathetic about almost everything to begin with.

    We Americans haven't had to fight for anything or even really compete. Students don't have to learn, and people readily embrace each other when a Wikipedia link makes them think they're experts on legal and business processes (*cough*implied warranties*cough*). Complacency explains a lot, including the relatively slower uptake of Firefox.

  11. One by one... by frakir · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First IE slowly being replaced by superior FF.
    Then Open Office (or less bloated equivalents like Abiword) will come and kick out Word and al from grandma computers. Then average Joe will not be able to watch his movies on Vista and noone will have a copy of XP handy. So his 12-year old will install Ubuntu.
    And wmv and other non-open formats will die, too. People are getting burned by DRM tricks and lock-ins.

    Well... I like to dream.

  12. Re:Nice indeed, but... by whoisjoe · · Score: 5, Funny

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  13. Re:Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    > But most Americans consider Australia to be its own continent

    That's just demonstrating the ignorance of Americans. Australia shares land borders with several other countries, such as Queensland to the north and Victoria to the south. Calling the whole continent "Australia" while ignoring the contributions of the other countries on the continent, Oceania, just because they're not populated by westernised whites is a combination of political supremism and just plain ignorance.

  14. Re:Ballmer chair jokes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    only if "excellent" means 'lucky' in Microserf-speak. Microsoft was handed a monopoly by IBM and they've ridden that monopoly all the way to the bank. Also, they've throw away 10s of billions of dollars doing nothing but preventing the real innovators in the market from profiting from excellent( the real one ) new products of their own. Failure at everything but their desktop leveraged monopoly is a good sign of 'MS-excellence'.

    did I see something about "a clue"? doh.

  15. Attention Dumbshit Moderators by mr_matticus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not a trolling post just because you don't like it or because you don't understand it.

    Complacency and apathy is exactly the sort of reason why Microsoft still commands the desktop and why people aren't switching over to superior products like Firefox. It's also the reason why alternative fuels are struggling to take off (fossil fuels are still profitable for producers and cheap for consumers) and why it takes near-catastrophe for the United States to enact appropriate social and environmental policy.

    Since I am an American, you can take your indignation at my criticism and shove it.

  16. Languages? by RealGrouchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could it have anything to do with how easy it is to get Firefox in your local language?

    Correct my North-American egocentrism, but aren't most of the countries listed predominantly non-English speaking?

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  17. Useful for what? by David+Gould · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wouldn't it be more useful to look at the stats for Internet Explorer than those for Firefox? I'm sure many Europeans use Opera or Safari, besides just Firefox? I guess that sort of depends on what you're interested in tracking: the death of IE, or the growth of Firefox.
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  18. Because we are sick of msft's abusive practises by walterbyrd · · Score: 4, Informative

    We're sick of msft funding bogus lawsuits, lying to the US-DOJ, openly defying the EU, filing bogus patents, faking TCO studies, and faking benchmarks. We're sick of msft creating fake "think tanks" like AdTI, and using fake journalists like Enderle. We're sick of the astroturfing, and letters from dead people campaigns. We are not happy about msft stacking the deck with msft employees in the OOXML approval process.

    Need I go on?

  19. Re:What am I forgetting Ending in X. by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Funny
    Fornication ends in N.

    No, this being Slashdot, it normally ends in a Kleenex.

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  20. Re:Australia by TempeTerra · · Score: 4, Informative

    I live there you insensitive clod! There very much is such a place as Oceania, it's a name for the region including Australia, New Zealand, New Guinea, and a couple of dozen other island nations in the South Pacific. It is widely used and understood in the region. Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    Normally I wouldn't take exception to poor geographical knowledge (mine is far from perfect), but some clueless mods modded you up so I feel the need to respond.

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