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UK Man Convicted For Wi-Fi Piggybacking

CatrionaMcM tips us to a BBC story reporting that Gregory Straszkiewicz, a UK resident, was fined £500 and sentenced to a conditional discharge for 12 months after being caught using a laptop from a car parked outside somebody else's house. '[H]e was prosecuted under the Communications Act and found guilty of dishonestly obtaining an electronic communications service.' A separate BBC story notes that two other people in England were arrested and cautioned for sharing Wi-Fi uninvited.

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  1. Open AP? by jshriverWVU · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How does one figure out if the AP is for public use or just someone who forgot to set it up properly?

    1. Re:Open AP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yeah, not only that, but a door can't float invisibly through the air and land inside your house.

      Can you sue for someone polluting your home with rogue radio waves?

      *puts on tin foil thinking cap*

    2. Re:Open AP? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Do you think he would have gotten a 500 pound fine and 12 months probation if he had hacked into a secure network?

      What I think is that 500 pounds and 12 months' probation is fucking ridiculous when you're not even causing any harm.

      If he WAS causing actual harm, then I would limit his financial obligation to paying the victim for actual damages.

      The fact that he was fined 500 pounds proves that this is about grabbing money from people, not keeping people from using open APs (which is impossible anyway.)

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    3. Re:Open AP? by slart42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Uhh, the utter lack of advertisement that it's for public use?

      My WAP is open. It is intentionally so. My neighbours or anyone just generally passing by are free to share it. And people frequently do, according to my router's logs. It's not that I'm constantly needing those 6 MBit myself, so why would I mind anyone else using them. I see the fact that the network is unprotected as invitation enough for anyone to join in. I don't see myself posting ad banners around the street saying "Please share my WiFi" (and if I did, i might actually run out of bandwidth at some point).

    4. Re:Open AP? by dotgain · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Exactly what your opeating system makes of the information flying over the wires is up to it.

      My point again, nothing in the packets from it actually "invited" you in, as much as you want to believe it. It's just jargon that makes the procedure easier to understand. As I said to another poster further down, (completely with a typo) these are as much "invites" as HTTP cookies are nutritious.

    5. Re:Open AP? by mahmud · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He provides the prosecution with numerous logs showing that he is not the only user of his WAP? Or are we talking about legal system where one does not need to prove suspect to be guilty beyond reasonable doubt in order to convict him?

    6. Re:Open AP? by pizzach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unless you are told/informed/read other wise, a network is NOT public. It's no different than seeing an unlocked door. You wouldn't just walk in and look around would you? Well there damned signal is coming in my front door.
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    7. Re:Open AP? by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would you consider a "Welcome" mat to be an invitation to enter a house? Or even an open door?

      It's all about what a reasonable man might consider an invitation. It seems that the court decided a reasonable man would assume that the access point was left open accidentally. If the access point has a name that suggests it's open then you can reasoanbly assume it's there for public use.

      You are allowed to use common sense when it comes to the law. This is why it's interpreted by humans and not robots.

    8. Re:Open AP? by profplump · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think you could construe the mere presence of packets with an SSID is the invitation. If you don't want to make your access point public you could just not broadcast the SSID; there's no technical requirement to do so, and you don't need to do any sort of encryption to stop the broadcast of the SSID. I'm not sure I would construe things that way, but it doesn't seem totally unreasonable.

      Moreover you're drawing an arbitrary distinction between the DHCP on-wire protocol and English. What if the invitation was in Spanish, encoded in UTF-16. I at least couldn't read that in my packet capture, but presumably someone could. Would the invitation count then? You can argue about the intended meaning of the DHCP offer, but to argue that it can't really be an offer because it wasn't made in ASCII-encoded English is a bit silly.

      Here's a situation I imagine to be analogous: There's a sign on a house that says "We have a pool" (SSID broadcast). Upon closer examination of the sign (DHCP request) you find instructions on how to access the pool (DHCP offer). I think you could make a reasonable argument either way about whether the pool was being advertised for public use. And I think a reasonable person, upon finding strangers in their pool, would simply kick them out and take down the sign and remove the ambiguity if they weren't intending to make that offer.

    9. Re:Open AP? by jotok · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is not a great analogy.

      A more appropriate one might be--I am a wealthy man and like most wealthy men I have a driver. But all of our drivers are rather dim and they will accept orders from anybody.

      So, I hire this guy, and because I'm wealthy and self-important I don't bother to instruct him that he's only supposed to drive me around, because I assume "I'm the one paying him, why should he take orders from anyone else?"

      Then he goes missing for a week because you asked him to drive you to Alaska--knowing full well, unlike myself, how stupid the guy is. The whole way, you use my credit card to buy gas and stay at hotels.

      Obviously I'm going to be irate once the bill arrives.

      Where this analogy fails is that most people should not have to tell their drivers not to drive people to Alaska. How many people know they have to do anything to their wrouter to restrict access to it?

      In a few years, yours may be a valid line of reasoning if we can assume that enough "new" users should know to secure their access point. Until then, I believe you've not got a leg to stand on.

    10. Re:Open AP? by ehrichweiss · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My neighbor's access point is a crappy linksys wrouter that he got several years ago. He uses WEP but I can crack that quicker than he can type in the key. Does the fact that he is using a known-to-be-weak encryption scheme mean that I have the right to be on? My other neighbor does not advertise his SSID, but I can get on his AP just the same simply by grabbing enough packets out of the air. Does that mean that I have the right to use the service he's paying for?

      No, as a matter of fact, encryption is THE way to tell if you're allowed to view satellite communications, at least here in the States. If a provider does not encrypt their signal, they have no(as in none, zero, zip, nada, nothing..) legal grounds to say that we can't watch their programming; however the moment they encrypt it, one can become liable for signal "theft" if they decrypt it without permission. The same needs to be applied to the Wifi arena. Laziness on the part of the "system administrator" should under no circumstances be grounds for the little twit to bring you up on criminal or civil charges.
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    11. Re:Open AP? by ehrichweiss · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The locks on doors analogy is worn out and misapplied, let me give you a better one. In the States it's perfectly and 100% LEGAL to view any radio/satellite broadcasts as long as they are not encrypted. Period. You can say to your heart's delight that you don't want me to watch your broadcast but if you lack encryption you have no ground to stand on because that's what the law says. That's your locked door right there.

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    12. Re:Open AP? by JackHoffman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      w/ SSID broadcast turned off, then you should be allowed to sue for unauthorized access

      No, you should not. Turning SSID broadcast off will not keep others from accidentally connecting to your AP if their own wireless network uses the same SSID. At the very least you would have to set a non-trivial (i.e. random) SSID and turn of SSID broadcasting to have a case against unauthorized access. I really don't understand why people are so adamantly avoiding encryption. The same people who go to court to defend their precious private bandwidth apparently don't care that their private data is broadcast to everybody in the neighborhood.

    13. Re:Open AP? by jotok · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Please, can we stay away from the analogies? I don't think they're especially productive.

      You argued that if I don't know how to control the behavior of the technology I bought, then I'm still at fault for the results. So if someone's client connects to my AP because they don't know how to modify its default behavior, why are they not at fault? I submit that this is a double standard.

    14. Re:Open AP? by Znork · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "It's all about what a reasonable man might consider an invitation."

      How would you invite someone to share your wifi? Personally I'd broadcast an SSID and turn off encryption...

      The prevalence of free wireless networks these days suggest that there's a whole lot of people who have no problem at all with sharing their wifi. Personally I'd have absolutely no problem with someone using my wifi. Are they, and am I, unreasonable? Is friendly neighbourly behaviour, letting someone deprived use something that costs me nothing extra, now considered unreasonable?

      "You are allowed to use common sense when it comes to the law."

      Apparently that was not used by the court in this case. Or it was populated by people who'd sue for costs after pissing on someone to put out a fire, and utterly unaware of the millions of charitable people around the earth.

  2. Crime to use open wifi? by MoHaG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So accepting people's invitation to use their Wifi (by not securing it) is a crime...

    It is the same as accusing someone of copyright infringement if they listen to their neighbor's CDs because their sound system is too loud...

    PS: I still need to RTFA

    1. Re:Crime to use open wifi? by kt0157 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When you use the light coming from someone's window, you deprive them of a commodity that they have paid money for. It should be a crime.

  3. NintendoDS by jshriverWVU · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How long till some kid with a NintendoDS get's arrested for playing Animal Crossing using an AP the software autodetected?

  4. Have a mobile data card handy . . . by div_2n · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Have a mobile data card handy just in case. Problem solved. "Officer, I'm using my mobile data card. I pulled over since driving while surfing isn't a great idea."

  5. Witchcraft by kt0157 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oh that's a watertight legal opinion. So if I left my keys in the car and someone stole it, I'm responsible for the people they kill? And if I watch someone's TV through their window, that's theft? Or I read my newspaper by the light coming out of their window?

    You should all note that the law these people have been accused of breaking is one designed to stop people stealing cable TV using hacked decoders. It was not designed for "theft" of Internet access. There is a defence to the accusation that the service was made public. However, in the recent cases the accused didn't get to make a defence, and probably never received legal advice anyway: they admitted "guilt" to the police, who are neither impartial nor independent, in order to have the case dropped.

    But in New Salem (formerly known as Great Britain) anything that could possibly be construed as possibly putting possible children at possible risk by possible pedophiles is treated as a priori evidence of guilt of child abuse.

  6. 2005 story by iangoldby · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Did anyone notice the date on that first story?

    Last Updated: Thursday, 28 July 2005, 08:51 GMT 09:51 UK
    That first story (with the £500 fine) was two years ago and concerned someone who hijacked a wireless connection.

    The second story (the new one) concerned two people who were cautioned for using people's wi-fi broadband internet connections without permission.
  7. Re:Open Networks Are Open by u19925 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Read the article. It was no accidental connection. I am sure, he wouldn't have been arrested and convicted if there was any doubt at all that it was an accidental connection. There are some people who habitually steal network or break into other's system. Some do for fun, most do for some monetary gain and very few do by accident.

  8. This guy was behaving rather strangely.. by vorlich · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The BBC page: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/herefor d/worcs/6565079.stm is quite clear that residents called the police because this man had screened off the windows of his car with cardboard but the light from his laptop was still visible in the early hours of the morning.

    Goodness only knows what he could possibly have being doing in there but I guess the local constabulary decided to charge him with a crime that they had evidence of.

    So less a story about those brave wardrivers liberating the net from the bourgeoisie and more a story about someone wierdo having a wank.

    If that's a slashdot word.

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  9. Not neccassirly true by KKlaus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It (generally) depends on your state's definition of what constitutes a "secured premises." If you enter unallowed a place that meets the definition, you've already committed trespassing, and no one needs to have seen you or said boo. Generally speaking, an area will be considered "secured" if it has a fence, or a lock, or signs saying no trespass. Basically, if it looks like you obviously aren't supposed to be there.

    Having said all that, I think you are probably incorrect on your assessment here. I suspect that a jury would come down on the side of it being obvious that you aren't supposed to stroll into the houses of others. Maybe if the door was open and you heard talking inside, you could claim you thought it might be an open party or something. But it'd be a dumb idea anyway because even if you won the criminal case, you'd probably lose the civil one that followed it. The "they have to tell you to leave" line I think is a little over used. It might apply to someone's unfenced lawn, but certainly not their actual house, and probably also not their electronic equipment.

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  10. Re:no it should not by tinkerghost · · Score: 3, Interesting

    An inanimate piece of equipment cannot grant your legal authority to someone

    Per your interpretation, you have just engaged in criminal computer tresspass by using the slashdot web site. You requested permission to use the system (through your browser), that permission was granted by the system (through the web server). Since a piece of equipment cannot grant legal authority to someone, you had no authority to use the system.

    There is no technical difference between the protocol exchange in the HTTP & the 801 series, both are automated request/response protocols which grant authorization.