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Montana Says No to Real ID, Passes Law to Deny It

SoCalChris writes "Montana's governor signed a bill yesterday in defiance of the Real ID Act. House Bill 287 [PDF] requires the Montana Motor Vehicle Division to not implement the provisions of the Real ID Act, and to report to the governor any attempts by any agent or agency of the Department of Homeland Security to attempt to implement the bill. Montana is the first state to implement such a law."

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  1. Re:Good trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The 18-year-old drinking age and some drunken driving limits were also forced on states by saying "pass this law or we'll cut you out of federal highway funds your people paid for in taxes". A total end run around the constitution that the big chief court in Washington had no problem with. I'm sure there's a long list of this abuse someplace.

  2. Good for them. by apathy+maybe · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm not in the USA, so my comments are general. I'll get that out of the way first.

    The linking of databases, such as required by Real ID has a large number of problems and few benefits (unless you are a totalitarian). There are inevitably going to be problems with control to the data (who has access?), it isn't going to stop fake ID's and it paves the way for people to give up more and more information to a central state.

    The benefits are simple, the state gets a large access which it can then use (and most of the time misuse). It will be inevitably linked to other databases, and then the state can do what the East German state did.

    It knows when you broke the law, and if you do something it doesn't like, it pulls you in and charges you with whatever it likes. After all, who hasn't broken some law or another?

    This comment from the BillingsGazette, shows some other possible uses for the government.

    "We also don't think that bureaucrats in Washington, D.C., ought to tell us that if we're going to get on a plane we have to carry their card, so when it's scanned through they know where you went, when you got there and when you came home," said Schweitzer, a Democrat. (And isn't Montana the state with the highest level of gun ownership or something? Someone should shoot the federal agents, that would teach the fuckers.)
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    1. Re:Good for them. by halo8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      who hasn't broken some law or another?

      Thats the key phrase, right there.
      who hasn't broken some law or another?

      For those people that dont care about CCTV and Orwellian ideas that they have in Britain because they dont think of themselvs as a criminal, Think Again.

      In Singapore chewing gum and spitting are crimes
      Speeding is a crime, not using your turn signals is a crime
      Books and CD's have been banned in schools
      Trans Fat is illegal in some cities

      And it works both ways, Republicans or Democrats, Left or Right.
      What if gun were banned?
      Missed Child Payments
      what if using a racial slur was a criminal offense
      Getting angry and making a threat.
      Vengeful Neighbours
      Banning certain music or concerts dances clothes
      its goes on and on and on

      Sadly, its not to hard to imagine.

      Once the goverment gots you, the GOT you, your in the system.
      good luck trying to fly
      good luck renewing your license (Driving, Hunting, Practicing whatever...)
      good luck getting a job or a mortgage

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  3. Constitution by iamacat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    US constitution never envisioned federal government regulating every small detail of our lives, be it a form of ID used or smoking pot in the privacy of one's backyard. It aberrant to subject 149 million people to a preference of 151 million. It's time to delegate most decisions to state level, where they would be hopefully passed on to local governments to honor the spirit of constitution (that was written when the whole US population was smaller than some metropolitan areas now).

  4. If this week has taught us anything... by sczimme · · Score: 5, Funny


    Perhaps black bears could use some custom software to optimize their search for berries...

    If this week has taught us anything, it's that one should always have a backup plan for black-bear-ies.

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  5. In other news ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news .. the entire state of Montana has been declared an "Enemy Combatant". Plans are under way to use the national guard to secure and build GitmoII around the entire state.

  6. Re:About Time by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    California and South Carolina still haven't been able to setup databases for child support payments by divorced fathers. What makes people think they can sync their DLs with the feds?

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  7. Re:States Rights vs Federal Rights by eln · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Feds won that battle a long time ago by a.) allowing pretty much anything under an outrageously broad interpretation of the interstate commerce clause and b.) threatening to pull federal highway and other unrelated funds from states if they did not comply with random laws covering a broad range of topics.

    Seems to me if the feds can threaten to pull funds that a state's taxpayers paid into if the state doesn't follow some totally unrelated regulation, the state should have the ability to opt out of paying into those types of funds on behalf of its taxpayers. So, if the feds pull highway funding, the states should be allowed to withhold the portion of federal taxes its citizens pay that would normally go to the federal highway budget and have the taxpayers pay that money directly to the state's highway fund instead.

    Also, I'd like a unicorn.

  8. Seventeenth Amendment Repeal, anybody? by sehlat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The original constitution provided for the House to be elected directly by the people of their state, and for Senators to be elected or appointed by the state legislatures. What this meant was that Senators who acted against the perceived interests of their state would have a short service life. It also meant that a lot of the things we see coming out of Washington, including such "unfunded mandates" as the Real ID act, which imposes enormous costs on the states that the Federal government doesn't pay for, can't be remedied by the legislatures who have to vote the money for these things recalling them.

  9. License by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey, there's an easy answer for that one. Put an RFID tag into every license plate (or into the tags, since those need to be replaced all the time anyway). Then put RFID scanners into every traffic light, every intersection, periodically in streetlights, etc. Anytime a car passes without a valid RFID-tagged license plate, the scanner automically signals the nearest police car, photographs the car, activates the vehicles "disable" code, detonates the land mines, deploys the hunter-killer bot, or whatever else the state feels is an appropriate response. And if the vehicle DOES have a valid RFID tag, then it's a simple matter to verify whether or not the owner has an approved license. It doesn't help much if the driver of the vehicle isn't the owner, but that's what the RFID tags that were jammed into everyone's skulls were for. Seriously though -- RFID license plates and traffic light camera/RFID-scanner set-ups are basically a foregone conclusion at this point. They're inevitable.