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SCO Chairman Fights to Ban Open Wireless Networks
cachedout writes "SCO's Ralph Yarro had the floor yesterday at the Utah Technology Commission meeting in front of Utah lawmakers. Yarro proposed that free wireless sites and subscribers should be held responsible should any porn be delivered to minors because hotspots are apparently where kids go to watch porn all day long. Yarro told lawmakers that open wireless access points should be made a crime because we have an Internet out of control."
SCO bans you!!
Is *anybody* taking SCO seriously nowadays anymore ? /. readers, I mean the "average Joe that heard of SCO once, in passing".
And I don't mean
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Thank you very much. He entered a search term that he couldn't recall Wednesday, although he said it "wasn't a real expressive sexual kind of word." And then, he said, he got caught up in a pornado -- sexually explicit pop-up windows took over his computer.
"I had this instant flash of pornographic trash on my computer that just started popping up," Brown said. "I could not turn it off. As fast as I would turn something off, something would pop on."
He had to turn off his computer to stop it, he said.
It could happen to anyone, said Sen. Scott Jenkins, R-Plain City.
"I've never opened a site in my life, but what pops up is unbelievable," he said. Jesus, install a popup blocker (or FireFox) you luddite bastard.
How we know is more important than what we know.
I mean really, an Internet out of control? all day long? Do these people see hyperbole as the best way to get people to listen because I know that anyone claiming kids are watching porn all day long is either an idiot or prone to exaggeration so why should I listen to them?
There are two kinds of fool One says 'This is old therefore good' Another says 'This is new therefore better'- Dean Ing
You just have to control the tubes.
"We shall grapple with the ineffable, and see if we may not eff it after all." - Douglas Adams
No. It's called FREEDOM and sometimes that means people are able to be free and do things that others don't like.
Examples:
kill 32 people with a legally purchased gun. that's the price of freedom.
insult the president. that's the price of freedom.
remove a president. that's the price of freedom.
I don't think so.
Just about everyone here knows how those pop-ups happen. You're either at the site or you've been infected by some crap (most likely from going to one of those sites).
Whats sco expecting from this ? Favourable attitude from juries/judges in numerous lawsuits they file against ibm ?
"oh look, we are 'thinking of the children' so give us some of ibm's cash already" ?
am i totally out of sync (end of a long workday) or did i nail it ?
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It would seem to me that placing any bans on the internet by a state would be a form of regulating interstate commerce, which is reserved for the Federal government. Correct me, As I'm sure you will, If I'm wrong.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
Why would anyone take this nutbag seriously? The mere fact that he works for SCO shows he's got his head firmly stuck up his ass. Oh...wait...he was talking to politicians, wasn't he? One nutbag talking to a bunch of nutbags...they gather in flocks.
I want a new quote. One that won't spill. One that don't cost too much. Or come in a pill.
Don't you think you might have the wrong vowel in your name calling? A.M
The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. - HGTTG
Forget Judy Garland. I read Pornado and all I could think about was c. 1993 Helen Hunt playing naked Twister. That and an Oklahoma donkey show, because I'm always thinking about flying, copulating masses of women and burros.
"No beer until you finish your tequila!" -Leela's Dad
I did a quick Google search and found that Ralph Yarrow is the CEO of ThinkAtomic, which is described as a "high-tech venture accelerator"; he is also involved in the CP80 Foundation, which is lobbying against Internet pornography. Coincidentally, this CP80 organization is proposing a "technological solution" as well as a "legislative solution". I suspect that the legislative solution they want is to mandate the use of ThinkAtomic's technological solution. It appears that he failed to become richer by using the judicial system, so he's moving to the more easily manipulated legislative system.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is usually crucified.
Every week I see a story about how such-and-such a CEO went in front of such-and-such a commission and spewed lies. When do our guys get to in front of commissions?
--Rob
Towards the Singularity.
Hatch has been suggested over and again the past month or more to replace Gonzales.
He's also popular with Utahrds who keep voting him back into the Senate.
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make install -not war
I was just reading a law review article on using threats to internet intermediateries to censor speech when the 1st Amendment would prevent direct censorship. Evidently, the Supreme Court ruled on this practice back when McCarthy was trying to use private entities to censor supposed communists. Hopefully, the case law will catch up to the technology, and we can ignore these idiots. See:155 U. Pa. L. Rev. 11 for complete article.
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It's just hard for me to believe that kids are at the local Starbucks checking out some porn.
I have another reason to believe kids are not going to Starbucks for free WiFi. Starbucks doesn't have free wireless. The service is provided by T-Mobile. I used to think Starbucks had free WiFi and went to one on my travels to use it. It was at Starbucks I learned the truth. While at Starbucks, I found an open WiFi network and used it instead. (not for porn)
The truth shall set you free!
So, if I correctly interpret the motive, we should widen our already broad criminal laws and punish those who have open wireless networks. Wow, the burden on our Criminal Justice system is heavy enough. Could you imagine the back log of criminal complaints and cases awaiting trial? Not to mention the implications of enforcement. I am sure Homeland Security would love this kind of criminalization because it would give them far reaching search and seizure powers. Our freedoms are already impacted enough by the Patriot Act, should we allow our government to become more gestapo-like?
Act to oppose it.
/.'ers are doing it.
If their "brain is frying trying to understand the technology involved" (damn!) then the best thing to do is explain it to them, along with the consequences of a bad decision. One could, for example write to a legislator explaining the concept of a popup blocker and the extremely low likelihood of "just entering a search term" causing a "tornado of popups" unless the search term was "I want a tornado of popups to take down my machine".
One could also explain, if one lived in Utah, that one would think very very poorly of any elected official who let SCO of all people railroad them into trying to railroad some unworkable and useless ban on a perfectly legitimate activity (open hotspots) based upon no evidence other than frying brains and luddite morons.
One could also, perhaps best, explain the extremely negative economic impact such legislation would have in the short term (forcing otherwise acceptable mom n' pops to spend money preventing legal activities) and in the long-term by hurting Utah's efforts to modernize its infrastructure, attract new businesses and convince prospective high-tech employers and employees that it isn't a backwards theocratic nuthouse but a modern forward-looking state that values, among other things, freedom of speech and technology at least half as much as it values free guns. (This will work for out-of-staters by the way if phrases along the lines of "I won't bring my money and jobs there...")
The (incredibly poor) Committee page is here. The Committee's members are:
Sen. Scott K. Jenkins, Co Chair
Rep. Michael E. Noel, Co Chair
Rep. Roger E. Barrus
Rep. Ralph Becker
Rep. Jim Bird
Rep. Melvin R. Brown
Sen. Mike Dmitrich
Rep. Janice M. Fisher
Rep. Lynn N. Hemingway
Rep. Steven R. Mascaro
Rep. Kay L. McIff
Sen. Darin G. Peterson
Rep. Aaron Tilton
Sen. Carlene M. Walker
Rep. Richard W. Wheeler
Richard C. North, Policy Analyst
Christopher R. Parker, Associate General Counsel
Tracey Fredman, Legislative Secretary
They can be located here.
Start your e-mailing and phone dialing (faxes are fun too!)
C'mon, all the cool
Boobies!
Good thing there aren't any worse problems in the world to concern ourselves with.
..don't panic
A lot of people don't understand that you cant blame the provider for what is done with the bandwidth. And, more importantly you can't restrain my right to free speech. If I want to put up a free access point to promote a cause then I must be allowed to do that as a matter of free speech. Only under extreme circumstances should that speech be curtailed (yelling fire in a theater, or where there is limited resources that MUST be regulated.) It's the responsibility of the individual to not commit a crime.
For instance, you don't arrest the CEO of Chevrolet when a drunk driver smacks into you with his Camaro. You don't arrest factory workers from Stanley tools if someone hits you with a hammer. Why would you place the blame for kiddie porn in the hands of the bandwidth provider.
The only reason SCO comes out against free, open hotspots is because they see the potential for financial benefit from forcing difficult technology on people.
1. This issue is so important to him but he can't remember what search term he used? He does not remember what he was doing on the internet and yet he wants to legislate it?
2. Just because you are not techno savvy enough to control what pours into your computer don't assume "the children" can't. They are most likely much more internet and computer capable then he is.
3. Kinda related to number 2 but if you can't figure out how to channel surf without accidentally tuning into a program that may not be good for children does than mean we need to ban Showtime, Skinamax or even FX (that "The Shield" is pretty violent, oh wait, violence is fine its boobies that are dangerous).
4. you dont get caught in a "Pornado" (I actually really like this term and will use it from now on) by going to Nickalodian.com(however its spelled)or other mainstream sites, you get them surfing for porn or warez... I wonder which he was searching for? (Doesn't it seem like these people who crusade against something end up being busted for it later 'see anti-gay preacher')
God I am so sick of these Smacktards.
It's only paranoia if your wrong...
Then why click on the link to Nastyladies.com instead of sherwinwilliams.com ? Or perhaps "I Feel Lucky" doesn't mean what he thought it did ;)
;)
:( :)
Now wtf did that have to do with wireless again? or was it about Wii? or was it about cellphones? Bah i lost track
bummer, no mod points today
I suspect i get more than my share by NOT using them all
It is interesting, but not surprising, that the CP80 group is involved in this. After all Yarro CEO of SCO is their Chairman.
For those not familiar with it CP80 is a proposal that calls for segregating internet content into "safe" and "unsafe" by legally declaring some ports to be regulated and some unregulated. The regulation model is the "Community Norms" model that the FCC uses to allow the Parents Television Council to tell us all what we can and cannot watch on TV.
Leaving aside the fact that this, like all similar proposals, ignores the manifold legal hurdles in defining "adult" and "non-adult" content (just read the book of Revelations in the Bible sometime) it also ignores the fact that the port-based communication is an international standard, and one that would not be workable for the U.S. to mandate alone.
My favorite part about it really is the fact that even if this act were implemented it would still require some special settings or filtration on the user end (i.e. the home computer) to keep the bad ports off. Thus the problem that it seems even the CEO of SCO has that his kids know more about computers than him, would still remain.
Incidentally Wal-Mart is listed as a major sponsor of the group.
To date the act does not appear to have been submitted to Congress.
That is how non-utah mormons refer to Utah mormons. Most likly there is a reason we decide to not live in Utah and that is because the people are very backward. They can not think for themseleves, and have to be told over the pulpit how to think.
Mind you this is not the religion Joseph Smith re-organized. He made it clear man has to get knowledge from God, not from man. The current state of Utah Mormonism is due to years of isolation. Utah Mormons form a tight cliche and as a result, it is hard to break into that cliche for those who are not Mormons, or recent converts into Mormonism.
Sometimes I think if would be good for Utah Mormons to actually leave Utah, and live somewhere else where Mormons are in the minority. Then they would be forced to live with people who do not agree with them, and be able to expand there knowledge of the outside world.
At least that is why I am not in Utah.
(I served an LDS mission in Salt Lake City, which would take a novel to even summerize).
Then maybe you would take a good look at removing the legitimized kidnappers from your state, if not to have the authorities prosecute them for their deeds.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
I thought they were messages from God, kinda like cyber age writing on the wall.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Kids are able to just look at anything they turn their eyes towards, whether or not it's appropriate! They just look, look, look. All day long, even if their parents aren't present!
Studies show that most porn enjoyed by children is primarily through their eyes. Clearly, light is out of control. There ought to be a law.
"It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
do NOT search for "Tranny"
also bad:
"Tranny fluid"
"tranny problems"
or
"Chicks with dicks."
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
"Tranny inside tranny oil-change"
Utah Mormons form a tight cliche
You got the wording wrong, yet quite right.
Yes, there is a big cliché about Utah Mormons. And it would seem you've fallen into it.
Perhaps you did serve in Salt Lake, and perhaps you met some people that follow that trend. I can't deny it - I've met a few myself. But the willingness with which you blindly lump hundreds of thousands of people into such a small group is shocking to say the least.
I'm from Florida myself. Born and bred a southerner with no family ties to Utah and into a quasi-converted family. The first time I came to Utah was for the Missionary Training Center experience in Provo. I don't think that really counts, though, as once you're in you barely go outside for anything. I came back to Provo to attend BYU after two years slogging through the shanty towns around Buenos Aires, and in my last 4 years here in Utah I've found people of very diverse opinions, backgrounds, and ideas.
Then they would be forced to live with people who do not agree with them, and be able to expand there knowledge of the outside world.
Generally speaking, most times I've heard people say this, what they really mean is "I wish these people would think like I do." Well, I'm sorry you didn't find what you think you would here, but this is not so. It would seem you experienced time as a "minority" yourself, living with people who did not agree with you, and it didn't do you much good.
I'll agree that rural parts of Utah are fairly close minded. Yet as one who grew up in and around small towns in Florida and Alabama, I can honestly say that the people I've dealt with in small town Utah have been much more traveled and cultured. (I can't remember how many people asked me what language they speak in Argentina or, better yet, where in Africa Argentina was before I left from Florida. I've never heard those questions in Utah.) You can go to the middle of nowhere in Utah - Vernal, for example - walk into a ward meeting, and likely find people who have lived in and speak the language of dozens of foreign countries thanks to mission experience and are generally better educated than most rural populations. Not to say Utah is without its rednecks - it has its fair share - but you're painting the population with an awfully broad brush.
Utah has a lot of political problems. A lot of this has to do with the fact that there is little competition in Utah - the Democrats have situated themselves too far to the left to be seriously considered by many Utahns, and the simple fact is that a lot of Republican incumbents in office now needed to be ousted long, long ago. Similar patterns can be seen in other areas with little competition - Ted Stevens of Alaska would be a classic example. In cases like this, where little competition exists, you get bad laws from time to time, and more often than you would see otherwise.
I'd recommend giving Utah another chance. Move to an urban area for a few months and you'll see something different. I'm not going to lie - it's different than the rest of the U.S. But as a southerner, I felt different about the northeast as well during trips there.
By this guy's rationale eyesight should be banned because the real world is out of control and you never know when your vision is going to be exposed to something questionable.
Movies of homocidal violence, however, for some reason, do not.
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I'm watching youtube videos of Guns N Roses (shut up, I like them) and I'm being more and more amazed by Slash's guitar skills. I thought I'd like to see some of his solo stuff as well, so my dumb ass, not thinking, types "slash" into the search box and UNLEASHED UNSPEAKABLE EVIL!
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What the hell? How is that a troll?
For the mods:
SFW = Suitable For Work
Hence:
SFW? = Is that link you just posted with no descriptive comment suitable for viewing at work?
A perfectly valid comment.
Slashdot. Grr.
They have a name for the medical operation of changing a woman into a man... it's called an "addedictomy".
- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
It is a fact that no matter who buys this material, 75 to 90% of it ends up in the hands of our children.
We also know that once a person is perverted, it is practically impossible for that person to adjust to normal attitudes in regard to sex.
(Free clue before you mod me troll: I'm referring to things which have been said in anti-porn propaganda).
" we have an Internet out of control "
Man.. that is scary. The Internet was never under control. It kinda used to be the point of it really. I remember in the early 90s when I tried to explain to my dad that nobody 'owned' the internet, that there was no-one dictating what you could or couldn't do on it, it was just a bunch of computers connected to each other, and yours was one of those, so what you did on the net was just business between you and whoever you were sending packets to/from.
I remember him doing a 'meh' kind of face and saying something along the lines of "Yeah, sounds, nice. We'll see how long it takes to have some business value, then you can kiss all that freedom goodbye, and say hello to the new 'owners'".
It's kind of sad, really.
"Luck is my middle name," said Rincewind, indistinctly. "Mind you, my first name is Bad." -- Terry Pratchett