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Personal Data Exposed! Can Legislation Fix It?

rabblerouzer writes "Millions have had their personal information stolen because of lax security and may not even know it because of the patchwork of state laws that fail to mandate timely notification of victims. Boston-based law firm Mintz Levin is seeking feedback on what you would like to see included in draft legislation."

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  1. More laws are the key ... to EVERYTHING by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know we're just one law short. With one more law, nothing will ever go wrong and everyone will live forever. Just one more law.

    I'm sure this is the one. No one will accidentally release anyone's private details when it's illegal.

    Why haven't they made getting in a car accident illegal?

    1. Re:More laws are the key ... to EVERYTHING by KiahZero · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Laws are just codified rules. The question is, what rules would you want people to follow, and what penalties should exist for breaking those rules?

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    2. Re:More laws are the key ... to EVERYTHING by Qzukk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      because we can't be trusted to make the right choices on our own, but legislators can

      None of the credit agencies seem to be willing to lift a finger to do "the right thing". I guess we're going to have to start suing the credit agencies for defamation or something whenever they associate our identity and credit with a criminal in order for them to take notice, if we're not going to be allowed to make laws to tell the credit agencies to get their act together.

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    3. Re:More laws are the key ... to EVERYTHING by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True, laws cannot prevent bad things from happening to you. But they can deter unreasonable things from being done to you. And they can also compel people who willfully do such acts to make the damage good.

      These are the kinds of laws that a rational person can support. It's laws that are meant to protect us from ourselves we have to many of.

      In fact, we do not so much need new laws, but clarifications of how existing legal principles apply.

      If I park my car and do not set the brake, and it rolls down the hill into your house, the law says I have to pay for the damages to your house. Not you. You get an estimate of, say $2000, and I have to pay that plus a certain amount to compensate your for your inconvenience.

      That isn't paternalism, it's common sense.

      Now suppose I negligently release private information about you, and that results in your identity being stolen. The damage I've done to you is incalculable. And therein lies the rub. I am not responsible for the criminal misdeeds of others, but I have caused you far more than $2000 of trouble by my negligence. It is the inability to put a dollar amount on that damage that keeps me immune from being sued by you.

      If Congress set a standard $1000 damage level for negligent disclosure of private financial data, you could sue me. But you wouldn't have to. If I managed a database of a thousand people, I'd be looking at a cool million in direct liability. It would alter my calculations. I wouldn't be sending your private data home on an unsecured laptop so a temp I've done no background checks on can do a little data entry.

      That's the common theme we've seen in "shocking" cases of data mismanagement. It's not shocking at all, it's inevitable. If the cost of mishandled data is zero, then I'll risk exposing you to identity theft for a penny on an account, multiplied by enough accounts and that's real money.

      It isn't hard to secure data to the point that the risk of disclosure is negligible. But it's impossible if the cost of disclosure is zero.

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  2. Current Liability Causes Indifference by SRA8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Currently, vendors losing data typically offer 3 months of identity detection, as if that does anything. Criminals can simply wait 3 months and begin stealing identities freely, as most people cannot afford to purchase these costly (and largely useless) services. Unless vendors are presented with liability, as are most other businesses, data will continue to be lost all the time. There is virtually no cost to losing data.

  3. What *I* Would Like to See in Legislation? by lbmouse · · Score: 5, Funny

    Televised ritualistic testicular hangings as punishment. Two strikes and you're sterile.

    1. Re:What *I* Would Like to See in Legislation? by symes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Televised ritualistic testicular hangings as punishment. Two strikes and you're sterile.

      News just in:- Female IT workers around the world have breathed a collective sigh of relief.

      Seriously though, accountability seems to be the key. It feels like (hands up, I'm no expert in this area) that people can get away with some of the shoddiest practices when it comes to safeguarding other peoples' personal data. I don't think it is enough to expect the market (in that serious breach of security and loss of data will cost that organisation customers) to regulate itself. It's like shutting the gate after the horse has bolted. There needs to be something up front - focusing organisations' minds on making sure this does not happen in the first place. I would say that an organisation that handles, for example, credit card data should be made accountable for any losses directly attributable to mishandling that data plus some compensation in lieu of the time required to close the account, order new cards, etc..

  4. Criminal Identity Theft by G27+Radio · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been writing a bit about my personal experiences with Criminal Identity Theft. It's something quite a bit different than your typical identity theft. I'm wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the states to do much about theft of personal data on their own. They didn't even bother to notify me when they found out some jerk had been using my names to commit crimes. I've come to the conclusion that the government just doesn't give a rats ass about these things.

    I'll be writing something to these guys. If you're interested in what I've been dealing with, my story starts here:

    http://g27radio.blogspot.com/2007/04/think-youre-s afe.html

  5. Accountability by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is only one thing that companies are accountable to, and that's the shareholders. If you can save $200 with crappy security and screw over 100,000 people with a breach, a company is under pressure to save the $200. If you place huge fines on exposed data, companies will be able to compare the cost of the security measures to the cost of a breach and make a financial decision that will (hopefully) work out best for both the company and the customers/clients/etc. Fine them up to $1000 per person exposed. Oh, lose the data of 100,000 people on an encrypted laptop left in an airport lounge? That'll be $100,000,000. Also, make concealing a breach (as opposed to reporting it) a jail-able offense. Yes, that may make losing a laptop and hiding that fact get someone more time in jail than a murderer, but we need to drop the "what would a rapist get" dogma. Yes, raping someone is bad. But what about a little loss multiplied by 100,000? Wouldn't screwing up thousands of people's lives (even if the inconvenience isn't really that large) really be in the same league as messing up one person's life really badly?

    Recap:

    Required disclosure
    Jail for those that purposefully avoid disclosure
    Large fines for breaches

  6. Don't legislate ! by cyberianpan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why you shouldn't force notifications to customers

    -Zero day exploits: crooks will rush to do zero day exploits as an official confirmation will prove they've got good data (so more sophisticated gangs will buy it from them, most fraud happens in the first 24 hours)
    -Honeytrap: When identity theft occurs law enforcement agencies may wish to honeytrap the thieves by letting them use the say credit card details & thus tracking them.
    -White Noise Defense: smart companies ought have "white noise" dud systems, easily hacked containing white noise data with honeytrap triggers (eg a valid credit card number but one that belongs to say FBI) in it !
    - and so on.

    But they should be forced to notifiy law enforcement agencies.

  7. Can legislation fix it? by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Insightful


    The summary and the FA were short on information, but here is my stab at this.

    How about we just keep our private information private? The increase in the amount of personal data that is attempted to be acquired by private companies is increasing, and remind me how my giving of my personal data to Pets-R-Us is going to benefit me?

    I paid cash for a car, and the people wanted my social security number. Why?

    A health club near me wants my social security number to lift weights and stuff. Why?

    Oh, and don't get me started with those so-called "Privacy Agreements" that some of these comanies give out to you. All of those end with the clause "we can change our mind at any time w/o notifying you", so how is this any kind of agreement? By signing one of those I am agreeing to nothing.

    So, I think that the laws should say that there are 2 kinds of personal information. One kind is something that can clearly identify me. My address, phone number, ssn, name, etc. And none of that should be shared with anyone. Abstract data for marketing reasons is OK. My age, sex, or whatever they can get from me that does not directly tie the information to me is OK.

  8. New SSN by Alchemar · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of the biggest problems with identity theft is that SSN were not intened to be used for identification purposes. My Social Security card clearly states that it is for Tax and social security purposes only - not for identification. Yet every organization out there wants to use your SSN for an ID. It use to be my student number, my health care number, and I can't recall the last time I needed to access banking information that I wasn't asked for the last 4 digit to "VERIFY MY ID" The people that set up Social security numbers knew that using it for ID would be bad. Try refusing to give your SSN. Unless you are independently wealthy, that means no job, no bank account, no phone, no Drviers license, no house, no car, and no insurance. What I want is for them to enforce the laws that we have. If we must have a new law, make it a criminal offense to ask someone for their social security number unless they must file a tax in that person's name, and also make it a criminal offense to use the social security number for any purpose other than filing that tax form. The main problem is that since the Social security office doesn't recognize that a social security number is an ID, having your ID stolen is not a valid reason to get a new number. The social security office recomends that you move to a new country and start over, and other countries actually have fleeing the US for identity theft as one of the reasons to seek relocation into their country

    If they absolutly need a national means of identifying people, then it needs to be in a secure manor. My suggestion is to issue everyone an electronic ID card. With all the extra "security" that goes into an id they can afford a small dedicated computer the size of a credit card calculator that only gives a secure ID number. When someone needs to verify your ID, they must request a key from the goverment, similar to a tax ID, but it is the public key for an encryption. They give you their public key, you enter it into your computer wich has your private key, it generates a number, the company sends that number to a goverment computer, it returns the critical information for the person involved. Name and Birthday. If they require more information, they must fill out the goverment forms explaining what information they need, and why; which becomes public record. Set it up so that your computer tells you what the company is, and what information they will be given. Now they have a secure means of identifing you, and you can verify who is requesting the information, and the ID number you give them is only good for that company. They can't use the data to request a new credit card, because the credit card company would be given a different number based on their public key. Set a password on the computer so that it can't be used if stolen, and set provisions where someone can request a new card and private key if it is compromised.

  9. Target the credit bureaus by Daffy+Duck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I doubt the solution is to make sure that all of the dozens of companies that hold your SSN must have perfect security inside and out for all eternity.

    I'd rather outlaw the use of your SSN as both username and password. Why are the credit bureaus allowed to let anyone who knows those nine irrevocable digits mess with your credit report?

  10. "patchwork of state laws"??? by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "patchwork of state laws"??? You morons, that's exactly HOW the United States is *supposed* to work. Look at the name: United States. We're not a single country, we're a union of independent states, each of which has its own government, and its own set of laws. The "patchwork of state laws" is our guarantee against a tyrranical central government. The different state laws allows people to pick and choose between the laws that protect them most and oppress them least. It's a feature, not a bug!.

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