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New Theory Links Biodiversity to the Stars

eldavojohn writes "Space.com's Mystery Monday has an article proposing a hypothesis that our solar system's undulations directly affects biodiversity on earth through cosmic-ray exposure. There's data that, through the fossil record, shows us earth's biodiversity peaking again and again until a great cataclysmic period where it is greatly reduced. The theory essentially suggests that this 62 million year cycle can be attributed to how our solar system moves within the milky way galaxy which turns out to be a 64 million year cycle. It's a plausible explanation though very tough to prove, hopefully we don't have to wait around 64 million years to draw a conclusion on this hypothesis."

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  1. 542 Million year chart by SeanTobin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Am I the only one who refreshed the chart after a few minutes to see if it updated?

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    1. Re:542 Million year chart by Quaoar · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hear digg is working on "Biodiversity Stack" so you never have to refresh again!

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  2. hopefully? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 3, Funny

    hopefully we don't have to wait around 64 million years to draw a conclusion on this hypothesis.
    If there is some 64M year galactic cycle which causes mass extinctions, I would prefer to wait as long as possible before having to verify this first-hand.
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    1. Re:hopefully? by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 4, Funny

      64 million years ought to be enough for anybody.

  3. hopefully we don't have to wait around 64 million by AltGrendel · · Score: 3, Funny
    That's ok.

    I'll wait.

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  4. Apocalypse Later. by Peter+Trepan · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's data that, through the fossil record, shows us earth's biodiversity peaking again and again until a great cataclysmic period where it is greatly reduced [...] hopefully we don't have to wait around 64 million years to draw a conclusion on this hypothesis.

    Personally, I hope we do have to wait that long. :-)

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    1. Re:Apocalypse Later. by owlnation · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dunno... you know, there are days when I look at MySpace and think, "today would be a good day for a cataclysm".

      If sheeple aren't in the cycle, how do we get them in?

  5. Interesting and plausible theory, but not so new.. by leather_helmet · · Score: 4, Interesting
    A quick search will bring up a lot of similar ideas regarding the 'orbital rhythm' of the solar system and how it affects things like oceanic levels, radiation levels, which in turn, obviously, has an impact on biodiversity

    This general idea has been around for a very long time, I've come across it several times in various magazines like Scientific American, etc.

  6. Cyclic minima by The+Lerneaen+Hydra · · Score: 3, Funny

    Apparently the second derivative of biodiversity (wrt. to time) had a minima 3 years ago. Co-incidently bush got re-elected.

  7. In Other News.... by bossesjoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Astrologists are freaking out across the world at the first sign of honest scientific news that shows a link between stars and life on earth, telling everyone that they knew all along the stars are what makes everything the way it is.

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  8. Re:What? by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't plan on being here in 64 million years, do you?

    Yes. Can I have your stereo?

  9. Re:So when is this doomsday supposed to be? by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh my God, they were right! The Rapture is imminent!

    Do you think I still have time to start going to church, or should I just forget about it and sin like crazy?

  10. Re:So when is this doomsday supposed to be? by jfengel · · Score: 4, Funny

    So... not before August, then?

    Rats.

  11. I blame global warming by us7892 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Buy hybrid cars. Start conserving toilet paper. Wait, that's for global warming!

    Can we launch a few nukes at a nearby Asteroid? Oh, that's for stopping the apocolyptic end-of-the-world asteroid collision.

    What can *I do* to help stop this 64 million year cycle? There must be something I should worry about here. I'll buy some solar panels. Doh! That's for global warming again...

    1. Re:I blame global warming by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Let's ask Sheryl Crow. Not only does she seem to have all the answers, but the obsessive media is all to happy to report them to everybody. One square of toilet paper per shit? Sheer genius. I suppose the toilet paper is more for wiping the shit off your fingers than anything else. But think of how you're helping the planet here, and you know it's practical because it came from a liberal pop-folk musician. They're always right about everything scientific. And every day is a winding road.

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  12. Re:Less than 64M years by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Funny

    The median of the cycle is exactly ....

    31.4159265 Million years, anything else is not Geeky enough.

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  13. Re:I knew it! by EugeneK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I saw "link[ed] to the stars" and "millions of years ago" I was hoping scientists confirmed that HP Lovecraft was right..

  14. Re:So when is this doomsday supposed to be? by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Funny

    but MFMC says we have five and a half years (my f-ing Mayan Calendar)

  15. Re:Cool by peragrin · · Score: 5, Funny

    two simple points

    Slashdot needs a -1 disturbing modifier.

    God made sheep soft so we could shave them naked first.

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  16. Nemesis by jafuser · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One interesting hypothesis is is that a red or brown dwarf in a highly elliptical orbit with our sun periodically (every ~26M years) passes through the Oort Cloud and pulls comets into the inner solar system, causing a wave of extinctions.

    BTW, one of the physcists researching this idea, Richard A. Muller teaches a great physics course, titled "Physics for Future Presidents" which is available online for free on google video.

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  17. You laugh now by hellfire · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is not meant to be a funny post.

    Here's an article on extinctions in Wikipedia.

    Here's a snipet from that article about mass extinctions:

    There have been at least five mass extinctions in the history of life, and four in the last 3.5 billion years in which many species have disappeared in a relatively short period of geological time. The most recent of these, the K-T extinction 65 million years ago at the end of the Cretaceous period, is best known for having wiped out the non-avian dinosaurs, among many other species.

    In other words, don't laugh about the 62-64 million year cycle. We are due for a mass extinction, according to the fossil record. Maybe this phenomenon has something to do with it. Note that when biodiversity goes down in a species, that's not good, biologically speaking. Less diversity means less chance of a species being able to survive a catastrophic event.

    Take it for what you want, but all those people laughing about having to wait 64 million years, my point is, I don't necessarily think you have to wait all that long.

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    1. Re:You laugh now by vertigoCiel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm a lot more worried about the Yellowstone Supervolcanoe going than the stars. The thing blows, on average, every 600,000 years. Want to know the last time it erupted? 640,000 years ago. When it goes, it'll take most of Northern America with it.

      Take that, astronomical mutation-mongers!

  18. Re:So when is this doomsday supposed to be? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You don't need to worry about it. You can wait until the Rapture, and then the proof of the existence of Jesus will be clear, so you can believe. There's going to be 7 years of Tribulation after the Rapture, but that's really no big deal if you've got proof of Jesus, if you think about it.

    Millions of people will probably die in the Tribulaton, and you're likely to be one of them. Be a hero and always try save others without regard for your own life. God loves that, plus it just about guarantees a violent and quick death. A head shot maybe. If you know that Jesus is real, then that's really nothing at all compared to the eternal bliss of heaven. Fundies like to hold up the Rapture as something truly awful, but really, it's no different than getting to heaven any other way, plus you have actual proof of Jesus because the Rapture can't be covered up.

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  19. Re:Fantastic Four! by number1scatterbrain · · Score: 3, Funny

    You know, I always considered Sue Storm and Reed Richards to be an example of a perfect marriage...
          He had the ability to stretch any part of his body to great lengths (heh, heh, heh,)and after sex,
          she would disappear...

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  20. Re:So when is this doomsday supposed to be? by nizo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Interesting; I will have to think about this more. I usually do my best thinking while I eat, so tomorrow I will contemplate your words as I eat scrambled condor eggs off my favorite plates made from loggerhead turtle shells while relaxing on my comfy pile of tiger pelts. Speaking of pelts, hopefully I can get some fresh panda skins for the seats in my new Hummer that runs on baby humpback whales instead of gasoline.

  21. 55 million years? Possible additional evidence by iamlucky13 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's hard to read off the chart, and I didn't see mention in the article, but this submission immediately brought a few things to mind:

    About 55 million years ago the earth apparently underwent a significant warming event called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum that resulted in the extinction of 30-40% of deep sea life, and may have been equally instrumental in the emergence of mammals as the asteroid 10 million years before that killed off the dinosaurs.

    The trigger is unknown, but it is believed that warming oceans due to a natural cycle caused the sublimation of large quantities of methanes from clathrate deposits on the sea-floor. Methane, of course, is a potent greenhouse gas. The result was average ocean surface temperatures as much as 10 deg C warmer than before. The cause of the natural cycle is unknown. However, I just did some digging around, and it appears the major long term thermal cycles (based mostly on O-18/O-16 ratios in sediments, is my understanding) run 140 million years on average, but higher frequency signals definitely exist.

    Now, there has been some recent research finding that cosmic ray activity may be an influencing factor on global warming (Note: No need to revive the global warming debate...I'm just sharing my thoughts, and am not claiming anything). Basically cosmic rays appear to affect the formation of clouds in the upper atmosphere, which in turn effects solar insolation.

    It would be very interesting if this 62 million year cycle happened to coincide with the PETM extinction 55 million years ago. My thought being perhaps a cosmic ray cycle caused a typical warming cycle that happened to induce the "big burp" of methane-clathrates, which significantly magnified the warming effect.

    Actually, with some further poking around, I see this basic theory has been proposed for explaining the 140 MY cycle, minus the methane-clathrate bonus.