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New Theory Links Biodiversity to the Stars

eldavojohn writes "Space.com's Mystery Monday has an article proposing a hypothesis that our solar system's undulations directly affects biodiversity on earth through cosmic-ray exposure. There's data that, through the fossil record, shows us earth's biodiversity peaking again and again until a great cataclysmic period where it is greatly reduced. The theory essentially suggests that this 62 million year cycle can be attributed to how our solar system moves within the milky way galaxy which turns out to be a 64 million year cycle. It's a plausible explanation though very tough to prove, hopefully we don't have to wait around 64 million years to draw a conclusion on this hypothesis."

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  1. 542 Million year chart by SeanTobin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Am I the only one who refreshed the chart after a few minutes to see if it updated?

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    1. Re:542 Million year chart by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Funny

      Am I the only one who refreshed the chart after a few minutes to see if it updated?


      Yes.
    2. Re:542 Million year chart by Quaoar · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hear digg is working on "Biodiversity Stack" so you never have to refresh again!

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    3. Re:542 Million year chart by Tofystedeth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know I could look this up and possibly prevent myself from looking like an idiot, but I feel lazy so I'm just going to work on my own fuzzy recollections. I believe that was a Heinlein (or otherwise famous slightly olderschool sci-fi author) short story about the guy who studied trends and found that all of the cyclic trends were converging at one point and predicted the end of the world by a year or two?

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    4. Re:542 Million year chart by LunaticTippy · · Score: 2, Informative

      I remembered it being Heinlein, too. You're right

      I've been meaning to re-read Heinlein for a while now that I'm older. This looks like the cynical depressing stuff that drew me to Heinlein when I was a kid.

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  2. hopefully? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 3, Funny

    hopefully we don't have to wait around 64 million years to draw a conclusion on this hypothesis.
    If there is some 64M year galactic cycle which causes mass extinctions, I would prefer to wait as long as possible before having to verify this first-hand.
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    1. Re:hopefully? by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 4, Funny

      64 million years ought to be enough for anybody.

    2. Re:hopefully? by Kelbear · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm already prepared.

      *taps his tinfoil hat*

  3. So when is this doomsday supposed to be? by Romancer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How far into the cycle are we now?

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    1. Re:So when is this doomsday supposed to be? by jfengel · · Score: 2, Funny

      The dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago, so theoretically, we're overdue.

      Any chance of it happening before I'm forced to go to my cousin's wedding? Cuz that's going to be a real waste of time.

    2. Re:So when is this doomsday supposed to be? by Piedramente · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not quite.

      If you read TFA, you'll see that this particular extinction does not fit the cycle. This one is blamed on the asteroid.

      TFA says we have ~10 million years to go.

    3. Re:So when is this doomsday supposed to be? by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh my God, they were right! The Rapture is imminent!

      Do you think I still have time to start going to church, or should I just forget about it and sin like crazy?

    4. Re:So when is this doomsday supposed to be? by jfengel · · Score: 4, Funny

      So... not before August, then?

      Rats.

    5. Re:So when is this doomsday supposed to be? by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Funny

      but MFMC says we have five and a half years (my f-ing Mayan Calendar)

    6. Re:So when is this doomsday supposed to be? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't need to worry about it. You can wait until the Rapture, and then the proof of the existence of Jesus will be clear, so you can believe. There's going to be 7 years of Tribulation after the Rapture, but that's really no big deal if you've got proof of Jesus, if you think about it.

      Millions of people will probably die in the Tribulaton, and you're likely to be one of them. Be a hero and always try save others without regard for your own life. God loves that, plus it just about guarantees a violent and quick death. A head shot maybe. If you know that Jesus is real, then that's really nothing at all compared to the eternal bliss of heaven. Fundies like to hold up the Rapture as something truly awful, but really, it's no different than getting to heaven any other way, plus you have actual proof of Jesus because the Rapture can't be covered up.

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    7. Re:So when is this doomsday supposed to be? by flyingsquid · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It doesn't really say anything about the K-T extinction one way or the other, just that two other extinctions- the end-Ordivician and the end-Permian event- do fit into this supposed cycle.

      The problem I see, however, is that the end-Permian event is too sudden to be explained by this process. The end-Permian extinction, which wiped out about 95% of all marine genera, is thought to have occurred in under 200,000 years. However, if the Earth slowly traveled into a region of increased cosmic rays, you should see a gradual decline in diversity, not a catastrophic, near-total collapse of the ecosystem, which is what actually happens at the Permo-Triassic boundary. The end-Permian extinction isn't a "fluctuation", it's the near-annihilation of complex life. And given that water does a reasonable job of stopping cosmic rays and other forms of radiation, why would the marine ecosystem be expected to show such a dramatic decline?

    8. Re:So when is this doomsday supposed to be? by nizo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Interesting; I will have to think about this more. I usually do my best thinking while I eat, so tomorrow I will contemplate your words as I eat scrambled condor eggs off my favorite plates made from loggerhead turtle shells while relaxing on my comfy pile of tiger pelts. Speaking of pelts, hopefully I can get some fresh panda skins for the seats in my new Hummer that runs on baby humpback whales instead of gasoline.

  4. hopefully we don't have to wait around 64 million by AltGrendel · · Score: 3, Funny
    That's ok.

    I'll wait.

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  5. Apocalypse Later. by Peter+Trepan · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's data that, through the fossil record, shows us earth's biodiversity peaking again and again until a great cataclysmic period where it is greatly reduced [...] hopefully we don't have to wait around 64 million years to draw a conclusion on this hypothesis.

    Personally, I hope we do have to wait that long. :-)

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    1. Re:Apocalypse Later. by owlnation · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dunno... you know, there are days when I look at MySpace and think, "today would be a good day for a cataclysm".

      If sheeple aren't in the cycle, how do we get them in?

  6. Cool by Timesprout · · Score: 2, Funny

    I used to think God was responsible for sheep love because he made them so soft and cuddly. Now I know it's the stars it seems much more like it's cosmic destiny to create human/sheep hybrids.

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    1. Re:Cool by peragrin · · Score: 5, Funny

      two simple points

      Slashdot needs a -1 disturbing modifier.

      God made sheep soft so we could shave them naked first.

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  7. Interesting and plausible theory, but not so new.. by leather_helmet · · Score: 4, Interesting
    A quick search will bring up a lot of similar ideas regarding the 'orbital rhythm' of the solar system and how it affects things like oceanic levels, radiation levels, which in turn, obviously, has an impact on biodiversity

    This general idea has been around for a very long time, I've come across it several times in various magazines like Scientific American, etc.

  8. Cyclic minima by The+Lerneaen+Hydra · · Score: 3, Funny

    Apparently the second derivative of biodiversity (wrt. to time) had a minima 3 years ago. Co-incidently bush got re-elected.

  9. In Other News.... by bossesjoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Astrologists are freaking out across the world at the first sign of honest scientific news that shows a link between stars and life on earth, telling everyone that they knew all along the stars are what makes everything the way it is.

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  10. Re:What? by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't plan on being here in 64 million years, do you?

    Yes. Can I have your stereo?

  11. Re:What? by badc0ffee · · Score: 2, Funny

    I agree... I also do not plan to be around for the Y10K bug, which will come up before this.

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  12. Fantastic Four! by arcite · · Score: 2, Funny
    Can I take a trip to a space station the next time cosmic radiation passes by earth?

    I need to become a superhero if I am to have a chance in hell with Sue Storm...uh I mean Jessica Alba.

    Preferably I would like super strength and the power to know women's thoughts -- could come in handy! ;)

    1. Re:Fantastic Four! by number1scatterbrain · · Score: 3, Funny

      You know, I always considered Sue Storm and Reed Richards to be an example of a perfect marriage...
            He had the ability to stretch any part of his body to great lengths (heh, heh, heh,)and after sex,
            she would disappear...

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  13. I blame global warming by us7892 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Buy hybrid cars. Start conserving toilet paper. Wait, that's for global warming!

    Can we launch a few nukes at a nearby Asteroid? Oh, that's for stopping the apocolyptic end-of-the-world asteroid collision.

    What can *I do* to help stop this 64 million year cycle? There must be something I should worry about here. I'll buy some solar panels. Doh! That's for global warming again...

    1. Re:I blame global warming by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Let's ask Sheryl Crow. Not only does she seem to have all the answers, but the obsessive media is all to happy to report them to everybody. One square of toilet paper per shit? Sheer genius. I suppose the toilet paper is more for wiping the shit off your fingers than anything else. But think of how you're helping the planet here, and you know it's practical because it came from a liberal pop-folk musician. They're always right about everything scientific. And every day is a winding road.

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    2. Re:I blame global warming by Sparr0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why buy a hybrid for $15k that gets 50-60 MPG and needs $10k in new batteries every ten years when you can buy a 10-year-old economy gas or diesel car for $1k that gets 40-50 MPG? Yes, I drive a 1994 Geo Metro. I get 45/49 MPG on nothing but gas. I paid $1300 for it a couple of years ago. My alternative at the time was a diesel VW Rabbit, which gets similar mileage but is harder to maintain. My next car will be the Laremo, I hope. 157 MPG FTW.

    3. Re:I blame global warming by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Funny
      > What can *I do* to help stop this 64 million year cycle?

      Launch rockets. Just launch as much stuff as you can in the direction of motion of the Sun. That way there will be a net thrust on the Earth (and consequently the solar system through gravity) that will eventually slow down its orbit. Of course we'd end up falling into the big black hole at the center of the Galaxy as a result. But c'est la vie, you can't always get everything you want.

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  14. Re:Less than 64M years by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Funny

    The median of the cycle is exactly ....

    31.4159265 Million years, anything else is not Geeky enough.

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  15. As for Me... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 2

    As for me, I'm not going to worry about it too much. Think of me as Beowulf Schaeffer not worrying too much about the galactic core exploding, and the shock wave arriving in a mere 20,000 years into the future. Nothing to lose sleep over.

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  16. Re:I knew it! by EugeneK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I saw "link[ed] to the stars" and "millions of years ago" I was hoping scientists confirmed that HP Lovecraft was right..

  17. Re:I knew it! by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How dare you, sir! It's clearly mankind that is causing global warming, and the only way to get rid of it is if people pay higher taxes to make up for their pure evil. It's not liberalism--it's a "consensus!" Al Gore knows all.

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  18. Nemesis by jafuser · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One interesting hypothesis is is that a red or brown dwarf in a highly elliptical orbit with our sun periodically (every ~26M years) passes through the Oort Cloud and pulls comets into the inner solar system, causing a wave of extinctions.

    BTW, one of the physcists researching this idea, Richard A. Muller teaches a great physics course, titled "Physics for Future Presidents" which is available online for free on google video.

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  19. I'll do it. by oni · · Score: 2, Funny

    I would prefer to wait as long as possible before having to verify this first-hand.

    I volunteer to conduct the research. I'll just need a small yearly grant for 64 million years.

  20. You laugh now by hellfire · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is not meant to be a funny post.

    Here's an article on extinctions in Wikipedia.

    Here's a snipet from that article about mass extinctions:

    There have been at least five mass extinctions in the history of life, and four in the last 3.5 billion years in which many species have disappeared in a relatively short period of geological time. The most recent of these, the K-T extinction 65 million years ago at the end of the Cretaceous period, is best known for having wiped out the non-avian dinosaurs, among many other species.

    In other words, don't laugh about the 62-64 million year cycle. We are due for a mass extinction, according to the fossil record. Maybe this phenomenon has something to do with it. Note that when biodiversity goes down in a species, that's not good, biologically speaking. Less diversity means less chance of a species being able to survive a catastrophic event.

    Take it for what you want, but all those people laughing about having to wait 64 million years, my point is, I don't necessarily think you have to wait all that long.

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    1. Re:You laugh now by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "We are due for a mass extinction,..."

      your use or the word 'Due' indicates you don't understand what the hell is going on.

      The most simplistic definition:

      On averages x has happenned every y years. That doesn't mean the x is 'due' to happen again. That this is a probalistic chance it may occure.

      OTOH, maybe every 63 million years a sentient life blooms up and spreads destructivly around the globe taking more resources then it puts back.

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    2. Re:You laugh now by LordSnooty · · Score: 2

      However, isn't it now generally accepted that the K-T event was caused by a comet or asteroid or something slamming into the planet? If that was the case, how does the cycle bear any relation to lack of biodiversity?

    3. Re:You laugh now by Coco+Lopez · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're mixing together two biological concepts that may lead to confusion and panic in people reading your post; those being the interspecies diversity which is the diversity of species within an ecosystem, and intraspecies diversity which is genetic diversity within individuals of the same species.

      The benefits of varying levels of interspecies diversity for ecosystems is a complicated issue, and I think if you go to the literature you'll find papers that show a correlation between decreasing interspecies diversity and increased primary productivity, which is one measure of ecosystem 'fitness'; and you might find the opposite as well. It's complicated, and it's ecology, so it's not quite science anyway.

      In the case of a random global catastrophe such as an asteroid impact, some species are going to live and some species are going to die. If humans were to nominate ourselves as Earth shepherds and try to keep some arbitrary level of interspecies diversity on Earth, we probably would fail miserably. However, the good news is that mammals have survived asteroid impacts in the past, and humans have proven ourselves particularly adaptable; so, perhaps we'd stand a better chance of making it through.

      Now, when you talk about diversity as a determinant of whether a species can survive a catastrophic event, you must be talking about intraspecies diversity. The rate of accumulation of intraspecies diversity should be correlated with the mutation rate, which is relatively constant over generations within a species. The mutation rate is where the cosmic rays come in, but variations in solar radiation, radiation from the earth itself, diet, environment and genetic factors will all play a role.

      Examples of where intraspecies diversity has saved humans in the past are in malaria-affected populations in Africa with individuals having sickle-cell haemoglobin, and in some European populations (and I believe a small group of people somewhere in Asia) who needed to survive off of milk products having lactase being expressed in adults. These are just some well known clear examples.

      If the point of the parent was that we should be scared about our own asses becoming extinct, I don't think we need to worry too much. One thing that guarantees intraspecies diversity is having a large sexually reproducing population spread over diverse geographical regions. But, if you want to be proactive about it, spend more time with your gonads exposed to the sun --- better yet, put your gonads in an X-ray machine.

    4. Re:You laugh now by marcosdumay · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You probably didn't RTFA... Its point is exactly that those fenomena may not happen by chance, but be strictly periodic.

    5. Re:You laugh now by vertigoCiel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm a lot more worried about the Yellowstone Supervolcanoe going than the stars. The thing blows, on average, every 600,000 years. Want to know the last time it erupted? 640,000 years ago. When it goes, it'll take most of Northern America with it.

      Take that, astronomical mutation-mongers!

  21. Why this is not so: evolving DNA repair by G4from128k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I really doubt this hypothesis because it assumes that organisms are helpless in the face of change levels of cosmic radiation. The reality is that DNA repair mechanisms are subject to evolution (and can evolve relatively quickly in lab experiments). If background radiation rose, organisms would simply evolve more robust DNA repair mechanisms. If cosmic radiation dropped off, then organisms would simply evolve less robust DNA repair mechanisms.

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  22. Out of Phase? by SoVeryTired · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would really like to see a larger chart than the one they give. Cycles which are 64 and 62 years long respectively will begin to shift out of phase with each other eventually, and after (I think) 32 cycles they will be 180 degrees out of phase. If the biodiversity cycles still are still the same when the two are out of phase, it would discredit the theory. Of course, this means you have to go back almost two billion years, when the only life was a kind of blue-green sludge (at best).

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  23. Re:What? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hell yeah.
    I can't wait to play Duke Nukem ;)

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  24. K-T Doesn't Fit by catdriver · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to a different article on the same study, the dinosaur mass extinction at the K-T boundary doesn't fit the pattern.

    We've still got at least 10 million years before we enter the next cosmic ray cycle.

  25. 55 million years? Possible additional evidence by iamlucky13 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's hard to read off the chart, and I didn't see mention in the article, but this submission immediately brought a few things to mind:

    About 55 million years ago the earth apparently underwent a significant warming event called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum that resulted in the extinction of 30-40% of deep sea life, and may have been equally instrumental in the emergence of mammals as the asteroid 10 million years before that killed off the dinosaurs.

    The trigger is unknown, but it is believed that warming oceans due to a natural cycle caused the sublimation of large quantities of methanes from clathrate deposits on the sea-floor. Methane, of course, is a potent greenhouse gas. The result was average ocean surface temperatures as much as 10 deg C warmer than before. The cause of the natural cycle is unknown. However, I just did some digging around, and it appears the major long term thermal cycles (based mostly on O-18/O-16 ratios in sediments, is my understanding) run 140 million years on average, but higher frequency signals definitely exist.

    Now, there has been some recent research finding that cosmic ray activity may be an influencing factor on global warming (Note: No need to revive the global warming debate...I'm just sharing my thoughts, and am not claiming anything). Basically cosmic rays appear to affect the formation of clouds in the upper atmosphere, which in turn effects solar insolation.

    It would be very interesting if this 62 million year cycle happened to coincide with the PETM extinction 55 million years ago. My thought being perhaps a cosmic ray cycle caused a typical warming cycle that happened to induce the "big burp" of methane-clathrates, which significantly magnified the warming effect.

    Actually, with some further poking around, I see this basic theory has been proposed for explaining the 140 MY cycle, minus the methane-clathrate bonus.