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Eben Moglen Leaving the FSF

An anonymous reader writes "Eben Moglen, general counsel and board member of the FSF and chairman of the SFLC, has announced on his blog that he will be resigning from his leadership position with the FSF now that GPLv3 draft 3 is out the door. "

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  1. It makes sense. by brennanw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Eventually the all-consuming nature of that kind of job is going to wear you down. Getting out before it breaks you into a thousand pieces and then remakes you into a twisted version of yourself you barely recognize seems like a pretty good idea to me.

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  2. Out of FSF but not Open Source in general by humphrm · · Score: 5, Informative

    It should be noted that he's leaving the FSF board to devote more time to the SFLC. Which means, less Eben in FSF but he's still going to be a strong contributor to the legal protections and mitigation of risk of software developers and projects who participate in Open Source Software.

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    1. Re:Out of FSF but not Open Source in general by byolinux · · Score: 4, Funny

      The FSF and the SFLC are about Free Software, not Open Source. Come on! It's in the name! :)

  3. A brilliant guy by mw13068 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've heard him speak at a few of the FSF Associate Member meetings, and I've even had conversation over dinner with him on one occasion, where he was telling the rest of us about the fledgling SFLC project. Just listening to him made me want to start law school (at Columbia, of course).

    I'm convinced he's working with a larger percentage of his brain than the rest of us.

    Creating the SFLC was a brilliant move, as was the drafting of the GPLv3.

    Best of luck, Eben!

  4. Thanks Eben by Marcion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From all us geeks out there, thanks for taking so much time out of your day job as a Professor to run the GPLv3 process.

    See you in a decade for GPLv4!!

  5. Re:I wonder... by brennanw · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not sure it happened to him. I think RMS's mindset and attitudes are a result of the truly monumental task he took on when GNU got started. It takes a very radical outlook and mentality to push a project like that forward. It's made him a very effective force even today, even if it does make him (apparently) intractible on some issues and (from what I've heard) difficult to talk to. He does have a sense of humor, though. He sent me a pretty cool email the last time I had a little fun at his expense.

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  6. Re:So long and thanks for all the fish by PinkPanther · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess I'll confine to a private celebration by myself. Hope it stays that way a long time

    Damn I love taking statements out of context...

    :-)

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  7. RMS, license compatibility, toolchains by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It is true that RMS gives his whole life to his cause. I respect and admire him for doing so, and at the same time I wouldn't want to do that to my life. The load of causes upon FSF is not unusual for any organization that tries to enact social change. Look at some of the environmentalist organizations, for example. There are good parallels there, you might think of RMS as someone fighting against pollution in idea-space.

    A license is compatible with another if the terms of both licenses are not mutually exclusive. The BSD/MIT licenses, at least the later ones without the advertising restriction, are GPL compatible because they don't restrict anything that the GPL would permit.

    Having the ability to convert one license to another, or having the software available under multiple licenses, is a short-cut to compatibility with those licenses.

    We have our own tool-chain, and one that is very portable to new architectures. I think that GPL3 draft 3 would require the disclosure of some data regarding how the toolchain would interface to the hardware of a consumer device in which GPL3 software was embedded, including the instruction set, if that was not already public knowledge.

    Bruce

    1. Re:RMS, license compatibility, toolchains by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Haven't you done just that? Sure, you haven't practically given up most of your private life, but i would say that your years in the Debian-Project, the OSI etc. did not leave your life untouched ;-) Thank you for the great work you did and are still doing!

      You're welcome! My son is 7 years old now, and of course it's important to spend time with him - you can't go back and fix mistakes you made with your kid. This is the major limit on how much I travel, why I haven't ever succeeded in getting time to go to Debconf or some of the other community conferences, etc. - I've got to be there for my kid. My wife wants some of my time too. And I have a job, so that I can put a roof over their heads. This is what Richard sacrifices, that I won't.

      Bruce

  8. Re:Amen by Arker · · Score: 5, Informative

    What then does license compatibility really mean exactly?

    Two licenses are compatible if a licensee can fulfil the conditions of both licenses simultaneously. Another way of saying this is that two licenses are compatible if the requirements of one are a subset of the other. For example the BSD is compatible with the GPL, because it is possible to fulfill the conditions of both simultaneously, since all the BSD requires is a subset of the requirements of the GPL. So it is possible to legally use BSD code and GPL code in the same work.

    Wouldn't it be better to write other apps from scratch under GPL than alter the license to be compatible with certain apps license?

    That depends on how much work would be involved and what requirements the other license makes.

    There's no point to reïmplementing something already available under the (modern) BSD license, for instance. This should be fairly obvious.

    On the other hand, code available only under the old BSD license should probably all be reïmplemented entirely. The advertising clause may not look like much at first glance, but when you consider how many thousands of different copyrights might apply to a single commercial distribution, you can see what a nightmare that clause could become in time.

    On the third hand, consider the Sun license. It's not compatible with the GPL v2, because the GPL has a requirement that no further conditions may be added, and the Sun license has patent provisions that the GPL doesn't. This makes it legally impossible to use code under these two licenses together - they are incompatible. BUT, aside from the fact of incompatibility, there's nothing wrong with Suns license. The FSF had already stated they wanted to add similar patent provisions in the future, and a similar clause would probably have been in the GPL v2 had software patents been an issue when it was written. So in this case, making the GPL v3 compatible with Suns license might not be a bad idea at all - the details of wording may be a pain to work out, but the patent requirement itself is not onerous, to the contrary, it or something very much like it is a desirable addition anyway.

    What about DRM? GPL3 says you have to provide everything needed to make the app run. Does that mean the compiler too?

    No, of course not. Your paraphrase is not what the license says. The actual wording has been reviewed and revised very carefully. The DRM section doesn't say anything resembling what you wrote.

    3. No Denying Users' Rights through Technical Measures.

    No covered work shall be deemed part of an effective technological measure under any applicable law fulfilling obligations under article 11 of the WIPO copyright treaty adopted on 20 December 1996, or similar laws prohibiting or restricting circumvention of such measures.

    When you convey a covered work, you waive any legal power to forbid circumvention of technical measures to the extent such circumvention is effected by exercising rights under this License with respect to the covered work, and you disclaim any intention to limit operation or modification of the work as a means of enforcing, against the work's users, your or third parties' legal rights to forbid circumvention of technical measures.

    To paraphrase, you can't use Free Software to build a system and then use the DMCA to forbid modification of that system. That's it.

    There are no sections of the license that say anything more than vaguely resembling what you wrote. The definition of "Corresponding Source" for instance says:

    The "Corresponding Source" for a work in object code form means all the source code needed to generate, install, and (for an executable work) run the object code and to modify the work, including scripts to control those activities. However, it does not include the work's System Libraries, or

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  9. Re:Surprising. by Workaphobia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He's also an excellent speaker. I particularly like this quote from a DMCA discussion, in reference to the media industry:

    > "Now if you leave them alone to buy more congressmen, in this very corrupt time of ours, they will survive for a little while longer but all of this talk is about the technicalities of the adjustment of the terms of their demise. When we want to start talking about something that matters, we would do better to begin from some basic social propositions. Everybody is connected to everybody else, all data that can be shared will be shared: get used to it."

    Given his accent, this makes for a very interesting voice-over when combined with electronic music.

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  10. Re:Thanks by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What does that make RMS then, Thomas Paine?

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  11. Better headline: Eben Moglen Leaving the FSF board by Freed · · Score: 5, Informative

    The current headline sucks. As stated in TFA, Eben Moglen is only leaving the FSF board of directors. Of course, his role of general counsel to the FSF, which long preceded the director role, will continue.