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Eben Moglen Leaving the FSF
An anonymous reader writes "Eben Moglen, general counsel and board member of the FSF and chairman of the SFLC, has announced on his blog that he will be resigning from his leadership position with the FSF now that GPLv3 draft 3 is out the door. "
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I heard him on Leo Laporte's FLOSS Weekly podcast and was very impressed with his knowledge and was happy the FSF had such good leadership.
"Nature doesn't care how smart you are. You can still be wrong." - Richard Feynman
Eventually the all-consuming nature of that kind of job is going to wear you down. Getting out before it breaks you into a thousand pieces and then remakes you into a twisted version of yourself you barely recognize seems like a pretty good idea to me.
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I heard he took a job for Microsoft.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, you jobless hippie.
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It should be noted that he's leaving the FSF board to devote more time to the SFLC. Which means, less Eben in FSF but he's still going to be a strong contributor to the legal protections and mitigation of risk of software developers and projects who participate in Open Source Software.
-- "In order to have power, I must be taken seriously." -Mojo Jojo
why rms did'nt break into thousand pieces...maybe his true name is not Stallman but Stealman...
Can someone please explain what it means for licenses to be "compatible"? If I've got code under Apache license and code under the GPLv3, I assume those can not be merged anyway because each body of code says derivatives must be under the same license. What then does license compatibility really mean exactly? Wouldn't it be better to write other apps from scratch under GPL than alter the license to be compatible with certain apps license?
What about DRM? GPL3 says you have to provide everything needed to make the app run. Does that mean the compiler too? Will every GPL3 project have to provide the whole toolchain? That would seem like a good idea if it were not such a burden. After all if someone uses a proprietary processor with a proprietary compiler they can Tivoize anything they like without using DRM. Should they have to provide the compiler? Does every project need to?
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I've heard him speak at a few of the FSF Associate Member meetings, and I've even had conversation over dinner with him on one occasion, where he was telling the rest of us about the fledgling SFLC project. Just listening to him made me want to start law school (at Columbia, of course).
I'm convinced he's working with a larger percentage of his brain than the rest of us.
Creating the SFLC was a brilliant move, as was the drafting of the GPLv3.
Best of luck, Eben!
From all us geeks out there, thanks for taking so much time out of your day job as a Professor to run the GPLv3 process.
See you in a decade for GPLv4!!
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Thanks to him and all the other great people who keep making sure we nerds get our software free and hackable. If I could afford it, I'd throw him a farewell party, but I guess I'll confine to a private celebration by myself. Hope it stays that way a long time, regardless of who leads GNU.
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Eben Moglen was the single most influential law school professor I ever had. I have never looked at the world the same since taking his classes.
Someone said Moglen is the Thomas Jefferson of the information age, and I'm inclined to agree.
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"They are counseling young projects making astonishing new free software that's going to be rocking business's world three or four years from now."
The above quote sounds interesting. Does this mean that we have reached the point where FOSS begins to out-innovate the proprietary world rather than just playing catch-up?
Depends. If the copyright holder of one of those codes gives you permission to move their code under the other license (or if they do it themselves, say by you paying them to do so), then there is no problem.
If you are not a copyright holder or if the body of code you want to move over is the culmination of many copyright holders, then with both Apache and GPL there is no problem you merging the codes as long as it is for your own use.
You cannot merge the two codes and release the resultant as you have no right unless the way that you do it adheres to both licenses. Compatible licenses would allow you to merge code from two differently licensed projects without violating the terms of either.
It's a simple matter of complex programming.
Moglen was RMS's touchstone with reality. Expect future irrelevance of the FSF as RMS heads off into lala land.
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...this new effort to "reorganize time" he's embarking on. Maybe he could go back and make GPLv2 contain the same text as v3!
Geeks like to think that they can ignore politics, you can leave politics alone, but politics won't leave you alone.-rms
A license is compatible with another if the terms of both licenses are not mutually exclusive. The BSD/MIT licenses, at least the later ones without the advertising restriction, are GPL compatible because they don't restrict anything that the GPL would permit.
Having the ability to convert one license to another, or having the software available under multiple licenses, is a short-cut to compatibility with those licenses.
We have our own tool-chain, and one that is very portable to new architectures. I think that GPL3 draft 3 would require the disclosure of some data regarding how the toolchain would interface to the hardware of a consumer device in which GPL3 software was embedded, including the instruction set, if that was not already public knowledge.
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Eben, you have made the world a better place. Thank you for all your hard work, and I wish you the very best in all your endeavors.
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Eben Moglen - sounds like someone with 97 HP and a mace of disruption.
For some very nice informative talks, and good insight into the capabilities of Mr Moglen, check out some of these videos. I especially like the google tech talk lecture.
Something doesn't sound right. He's leaving, because "draft three" is done? Does that mean that draft three will become GPLv3? Because unless it does, then the process isn't at all complete, and he's leaving for other reasons (not that those reasons have to be inherently bad), but "We've got our third draft revision of a document that we're still working on out the door, so it seems like a perfectly natural time to leave" jars my logic detector.
Someone said Moglen is the Thomas Jefferson of the information age, and I'm inclined to agree.
So does that mean Theo de Raadt is the Aaron Burr?
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Just wanted to say thanks -- this is one of the better summaries of, and responses to the more common objections regarding, GPLv3, that I've seen.
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The current headline sucks. As stated in TFA, Eben Moglen is only leaving the FSF board of directors. Of course, his role of general counsel to the FSF, which long preceded the director role, will continue.
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The advertising clause may not look like much at first glance, but when you consider how many thousands of different copyrights might apply to a single commercial distribution
Would this be like RedHat 5.X, their use of BSD's lp and the LACK of mentioning that at boot-up/advertising?
just wondering...
The one person (other than RMS) that's always pointed to by the more rabid GPL adherents, whenever they run out of ammo themselves, now abandon ships. He's not going to make sure (by his or RMS' super powers) that the GPL3 is going to prevail in court. What does that make you think? I think that your legal idol doesn't want to risk the cross. Now, how about you? How certain does that make you feel?
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