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Ohio University Blocks P2P File Sharing

After receiving the highest number of notices from the RIAA about P2P file sharing, Ohio University has announced a policy that restricts all fire sharing on the campus network. Some file-sharing programs that could trigger action are Ares, Azureus, BitTorrent, BitLord, KaZaA, LimeWire, Shareaza and uTorrent. Claiming that this effort is 'to ensure that every student, faculty member and researcher has access to the computer resources they need,' is this another nail in the coffin of internet freedom in American universities or a needed step to prevent illegal fire sharing?

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  1. I wonder what level they are blocking? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder what level are they blocking?

    If its at the wall, won't internal sharing continue?
    Just because you can stop the data coming in via p2p means doesn't mean the data won't be there (waste/DC can exist in a private garden without ever touching the real net).

    Or is this an active process which does a portscans your machine continuously?

    Failing everything else, there is always sneakernet. Expect a rise in blanks in the area.

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    1. Re:I wonder what level they are blocking? by blackicye · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "If you can't figure out a way around this, then i think i speak for most of the linux/bsd community when i say that we don't want you in our club anyway. This is really only going to serve to block people that shouldn't be using bittorrent. If you have a legit purpose for it, then this really shouldn't effect you."


      I don't know if you were joking or half-joking, but sentiments and statements like this only serve to reinforce the sense of elitism and exclusivity of the linux community in the minds of joe public. This what is holding back the growth of the linux community and the general acceptance of linux and OSS among the general computing public, as well as aiding the perpetuation of companies like MS and Apple.

      How does one determine who should and shouldn't be allowed to use a particular protocol or software? Less peers on bittorrent means shorter TTLs and less bandwidth on torrents, how is that a good thing?

  2. It's not about speech by winkydink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's about controlling bandwidth costs that have soared as a result of the explosive growth of p2p traffic. I have spoken with several large ISP's in the past year and most of them quote numbers like 65-75% of their total traffic is p2p. Given the demographic makeup of most universities, I'd bet their percentage is even higher. Those big fiber pipes cost big bucks.

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    1. Re:It's not about speech by Rakishi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then put god damn bandwidth limits on students in both gb/month and kb/s with an easy to use system to apply for exceptions.

    2. Re:It's not about speech by KillerCow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then put god damn bandwidth limits on students in both gb/month and kb/s with an easy to use system to apply for exceptions.


      No no no! This will actually solve the problem while maintaining the neutrality of the network!

      By telling students what they can and can't do, the University maintains its mommy/daddy role to the students, and further leaves themselves open to more legal actions, allowing them to parent the students more in the future.

      The goal is to have as much administration involved as possible (administrators only exist to create more administration) and to control the students as overtly as possible!
  3. Higher learning by Reason58 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In addition to consuming bandwidth and technological resources, P2P file-sharing also exposes the university network to viruses, spyware and other attacks. It also is frequently used for illegally distributing copyrighted works. Replace "P2P file-sharing" in that statement with "the internet" and it is just as valid. This has nothing to do with any of the reasons they have listed and everything to do with them preemptively caving in to legal pressure from the RIAA.
  4. Medium vs Message by SiliconEntity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem I have with these kinds of regulations is the confusion between the medium which is used to transport the data, and the message, the specific data being transported. If the Uni is unhappy about copyright violations, that's one thing; or if they have bandwidth problems, that's legit; but restricting specific protocols and programs does not accurately target the problem behavior. They seem to adopt the maxim that "the Medium is the Message"; that is, if something is being transferred by Bittorrent, it is a copyright violation. And granted, that is the case much of the time.

    But it is not a perfect correlation. Banning Bittorrent will hamper downloading Linux ISOs and other high traffic, legitimate materials. There is no justification for saying that file sharing as a whole is illegal, any more than you could say that using the Internet is illegal even if it turns out that much traffic violates the law.

  5. Against the grain by trisweb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone else is going to be "OMG lamerz teh MAFIAAAAA won because of retard schoolz like u" but seriously, why is this not a good idea? It's the school's network, the RIAA is actually on their tails trying (however illegally or immorally) to punish their students, and they have every right to restrict the use of file sharing services on their network.

    Yes, I know that there are great legal uses for BitTorrent, but do you really think 95% of the students are using it to legally download Ubuntu or something? Yeah right. Get real and be honest with yourselves, this is probably a smart thing for the school to be doing. If the students want to download whatever they want, then they need to pay for their own DSL or move out of the dorms and be responsible for their own actions (gee, what a thought), but while they're using the school's network and the school is somewhat responsible for them, I think it's perfectly reasonable to restrict their illegal file sharing.

    It's a whole other argument whether the RIAA sucks (they do) and whether file sharing positively impacts the recording industry (it might) but for a school, come on, it's their right, and probably the right thing for them to do. Get over it.

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  6. Re:Nail in the coffin? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doesn't that kinda depend on being able to use the bandwidth for something useful, though?

    If the university is offering high-speed Internet access for free to students, then restricting it to ensure it's properly available for academic use is one thing. If they're actually charging for it at a market rate, then restricting it is completely out of line. If the students start doing illegal stuff with it, sure, kick 'em off if it's causing problems, but don't block stuff by default even for those who are using those technologies for constructive purposes when those people are paying for the privilege.

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  7. Re:Not because of RIAA alone ? by Score+Whore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would you say the second isn't a good reason? Responding to properly submitted legal papers is a requirement of such an organization. Even if it turns out that the RIAA ends up unable to make their case, the university still has to bear the cost of responding to subpoenas.

  8. Re:BitTorrent by yakumo.unr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've said it before and I'll say it again.

    Pirates use something because it's the BEST way to do something.

    Why? because they have total freedom to choose the best, because, due to their nature, they don't pay for anything.

    Thus, outlawing something because pirates use it is shooting yourself (or at least technical progress itself) in the foot.

    Sony's views on the xvid codec originally brought this thought to my mind when they prevented sony vegas 5 or 6 from working with it, under that same logic I'd say ban sony vegas itself, I hear it's still incredibly popular with pirates.

    While your at it you'd better do something to shut down Maya, 3dstudio and Photoshop.

  9. Sure, cost effective by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Until the school gets sued, and the courts rule that they have to now allow students to purchase third part services. It's real likely they would in a case like this and it'll be expensive as hell for the university to implement. When you are a public university, you have to be careful what restrictions you implement. Dorms are people's residences and there are rights that come with that. For example you could make a rule saying that employees can enter a room at any time for any reason, and you could give them keys to do so. You'd quickly find out, however, that the police disagreed with that view and those responsible would be in trouble, possibly jail.

    Remember: Nearly all university students are adults, with all the rights it implies. Universities don't get to take those away just because they feel it is convenient. Dorms in many ways have to be treated like apartments: Just because you own them, doesn't mean you have unlimited rights to them.

  10. Re:Applause by mmurphy000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally, if I was the admin, I would have tried to QoS P2P down (and net neutrality be damned) to the point where the campus is made equivalent to the rest of the world.

    Applying QoS across the board on all known P2P applications would not be a violation of net neutrality. Arguably, neither would applying QoS for a single standard (de facto or de jure) protocol, like BitTorrent.

    What would be a violation of net neutrality would be if they applied QoS to BitTorrent, except to certain sites that paid the university a fee.

  11. Re:Much easier, better solution by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ahh yes, just fall back to the old "child porn" argument. I mean anyone should be willing to do anything to stop child porn! Wrong. Changes nothing. That's a real crime, investigated by the real cops. So what happens is they get a wiretap warrant, because simply having an IP number wouldn't be enough for criminal court. They then get real, admissible, evidence and bust the person. This isn't a problem when you are a legit law enforcement entity trying to track down a real criminal. It is just a problem to an industry association that likes to spray out lawsuit threats, without any good standard of evidentiary checking.

  12. Judical Extortion and Free Speech. by twitter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The RIAA almost always has a very strong case.

    No they don't. They have an IP address and an accusation, many of which have been proved false. What they have is the strength of bad laws that allow them to take everything you own or waste it all with court motions, both of which are better called "judicial extortion" than justice.

    1) Sending someone else's creative work to ten thousand of your best friends is not speech.

    Keeping me from publishing my own work on the network I pay for is a violation of free speech.

    If you want to publish your own content via p2p, go ahead and do so on a network that isn't subsidized by the rest of your community.

    First, because the networks are highly regulated all of them are publically subsidized. The network operators may not be living up to their obligations and might have wasted two hundred billion of your dollars, but they are ultimately yours and can be ordered to perform.

    Second, how can I share by P2P when idiot operators block my traffic? I can buy all the hardware and service I want, but I won't be able to use it if it's censored at the receiving end.

    Make no mistake, the big publishers want to make the internet look like cable TV and they are almost there. Unless you fight for your rights, you will play no further part than as a "consumer" and others will continue to own your culture.

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