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Google's Stomach Pangs - Adjusting to DoubleClick

An anonymous reader writes "C|Net is reporting on some trouble Google is having integrating DoubleClick into their family of products. External problems, like antitrust allegations and privacy concerns, are bad enough. The worst problems might come from within, though, as a division within DoubleClick was essentially created to game the very systems the Google search engine is founded on. '"Google is treading in dangerous waters right now," writes Ross Dunn of WebProNews.com. Google's search results "are supposed to be unbiased and highly relevant," but with Performics, "Google is put into the conflicted position of trying to generate profits by providing result-oriented organic ranking services for its own unbiased organic search results." The worry, in other words, is that Google's search results could be compromised by operating a division with an interest in skewing those results in favor of clients.' The article goes on to say how this Performics division is likely to be sold off to make sure everything stays above board."

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  1. Sold off. Brilliant! by Ai+Olor-Wile · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Something says it would be more polite if Google were to close the Performics division outright and then reverse-engineer its tactics to stomp out SEO-spam companies.

    At first glance of the summary, I'd hoped that was their secret do-good motive for buying DoubleClick in the first place. Alas.

    1. Re:Sold off. Brilliant! by Holmwood · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree, though, even better yet, keep them as a "red team" continuing to work on ways to subvert google's results, and keep on shifting tactics to stop them.

    2. Re:Sold off. Brilliant! by Chacham · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Something says it would be more polite if Google were to close the Performics division outright and then reverse-engineer its tactics to stomp out SEO-spam companies.

      And have someone else pick up where they left off? Sounds like a short-term goal to me.

      Instead, take the division and keep it, which is a way to control it. As in "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer." Unfortunately, there is a conflict of interest, a conflict so important it may raise the public eyebrow. That leaves the solution of keep them around, but wound them. Removing them from their erstwhile connections should disorient them enough to not move perfectly smoothly, and give Google the time it needs to get one step ahead.

      That is, of course, assuming they want to cripple it. They may just want to leave it alone and make some cash off of it. Regardless, the worst of all scenarios would be to close them, as it helps noone.

    3. Re:Sold off. Brilliant! by Odiumjunkie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Does anyone know just how underhanded Performics' SEO tactics are? Much as I hesitate to put faith in uncited Wikipedia 'facts', the article on Performics claims that they are a 'Google Qualified Company', and employ 'about two dozen "Google Qualified Professionals"'.

      SEO =! underhanded tactics. Sometimes SEO can be as simple as a sane site structure and standards compliant bot-readable content. It's often lots of other spammy things, but it doesn't necesserily make sense to assume that's what's going on.

      Wouldn't it make sense for Google to run an 'Optimised for Google(tm)' optimisation service? The more sites that Google can spider properly, the more useful it is.

    4. Re:Sold off. Brilliant! by zrobotics · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well yes, there still is a conflict of interest, but only if they sell the services of the Performics team. They can still keep this team, using them in much the same way companies use white hat hackers-to purposely game the system, then hand the results over to Google. It's a conflict of interest if they continue to offer Doubleclick's Performics services, but it's an invaluable tool if they use it properly.

    5. Re:Sold off. Brilliant! by larry+bagina · · Score: 3, Informative

      companies often sell off products after a merger/acquisistion to keep the FTC happy.

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    6. Re:Sold off. Brilliant! by Original+Replica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As far as the conflict of interest goes, if Performics just opitmized sites to be up to the second compliant with Google's bots there would be no conflict. But "gameing the system" is what sells. CEOs and shareholders alike want an "unfair" advantage, because if it's "fair" it's not really much of an advantage it's just what the web design team should have done in the first place.

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    7. Re:Sold off. Brilliant! by 644bd346996 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wouldn't it make sense for Google to run an 'Optimised for Google(tm)' optimisation service? The more sites that Google can spider properly, the more useful it is. No. If anything, Google could publish a set of guidelines for web designers. They could then use their clout to declare flash-based websites profane, standards compliance a necessity, and in general promote common sense design principles. It would work, too. No company would want to know that their google ranking was hurt by the fact that they weren't w3c compliant. Google wouldn't even have to tweak the algorithms in order to make it work.

      Google just can't afford to give anybody a privileged place in the rankings. Doing so would make them no better than AOL and Yahoo. If a company wants more exposure through Google, their only option should be advertising.
  2. Google is all about your data by Simon+(S2) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google is all about tracking you. Your mails, your locations, your searches, all sites you visit, the books you read, the videos you like, the things you buy, just everything. I think google bought DoubleClick only because they have 1x1 gifs and banners on a very lot of sites. Google can tracks the pages we vist with urchin (yes, google knows you are on slashot right now), but can now track our web behaviour with all doubleclick backlinks as well. I think all google wants is know *everything* about us (or at least as much as possible), and that is why they have free mail, free maps, free everything. The data google has about us is a lot more valuable than 20$ a month for maps or a mail service, and that is the only reason they bought doubleclick. At least IMHO.

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    1. Re:Google is all about your data by zrobotics · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wait juuuust a second: did you say that "people who search"="a small demographic"??? It took me 2 years to convince my mom that she could type www.weather.com into the bar at the top. For 2 years her homepage was set to Google and she would navigate via Google searches. Once she was done checking the weather, she would close the browser, start another session, and do another Google search. So no, it's not a small demographic. It is, almost literally, everyone who uses the web. At some point or another, nearly everyone who uses the web will use one search engine or another. Since Google is the most popular search engine, it follows that Google has reams upon reams of data that advertisers find highly desirable.

    2. Re:Google is all about your data by General+Wesc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, well, never mind then. That only leaves images, iframes, and other embedded crap. Nothing like that here on Slashdot.

  3. How much can you trust google? by knivesx11 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ever since Googles dealings in China I think we can all agree that there "do no evil" mantra is ruined completely. The have proven once that they are will to do anything for both profits and relevance. I'm not saying that I'm against a company making large profits but at some point someone within such a large organization must have ethics. I have a feeling Google is about to cast a dark shadow on many people privacy concerns and it wont be to pretty.

    1. Re:How much can you trust google? by rm69990 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't be too upset. I know you must be embarrassed that it took you 9 years (how old Google is) to figure out that "Don't be evil" was marketing speak and that Google's #1 concern is profits, not whether a bunch of nerds on Slashdot see them as evil or not. There is a reason their unofficial company motto was made so incredibly vague and subjective in the first place.

  4. Google is already too "SEO-friendly" by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Some time in the last two years, Google started becoming much more "SEO friendly". There are meetings at Google for SEO types. Google sponsors "Search Engine Marketing" conferences. It's getting a bit embarassing.

    Google has to keep growing to justify their P/E ratio of 47 and keep their stockholders happy. That's hard to do when they already have most of their primary market. It's common to see dumb merger and acquisition activity in that situation. Search with occasional ads was a terrific business - doesn't take many employees, moderate operating costs, almost no cost of goods, good margins. The things Google has gone into since search (mail, video, office apps, etc.) don't have those properties, and are less profitable than search, if not outright money drains.

  5. Story has been copied, and badly. by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative
    Compare The New York Times version of this story with the CNet version of this story. They're quite different.

    The CNet version looks like it was picked up by a runaway screen scraper, which sucked up two following articles. Then some paragraphs were duplicated. Lame.

  6. Re:Why so shocked now...? by jfengel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can you cite some evidence of that? I've never heard of Google taking money for higher rankings, and I've been using it since it was google.stanford.edu.

    Wikipedia doesn't mention it, not that that necessarily means much. I'm willing to "take off the blinders" but thus far I'm not seeing anything except your allegation.

  7. We are about to learn. by Erris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    SEO =! underhanded tactics. Sometimes SEO can be as simple as a sane site structure and standards compliant bot-readable content. It's often lots of other spammy things, but it doesn't necesserily make sense to assume that's what's going on.

    Now that Google owns them, we will learn just how slimy they were. It's in Google's best interest to expose manipulation of their business model and show how they can fight it, preferably using the very same fraudsters.

    Calling this a conflict of interest assumes first that bad things were going on and second they will continue that way. Doubleclick has a spammy reputation already, so the first assumption may be good. The second assumption is laughable. If Google wanted to sell out they would do so directly but doing so would destroy them.

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  8. Re:mirror by rm69990 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm sure C|Net can afford the bandwidth for this article. No reason to rip-off their article. The whole reason companies publish stuff for free is because ads help pay for it.

  9. Re:Why so shocked now...? by pavera · · Score: 2, Informative

    you're full of it. Google never accepted money for higher rankings. You could pay to get in the "sponsored links" section. Google in the early days was started based on the idea that you couldn't "buy" popularity, but had to earn it. One of their main differentiators in the early days was exactly this. When Yahoo, Alta Vista, et al were polluting their links with paid ads, Google wouldn't.

    I had mod points yesterday, I would have modded you down... but I'll reply instead

  10. Performics is much more than SEO by adambha · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article author ignores (or is unaware) that Performics is not just SEO. A large part of Performics is the affiliate marketing side, which has nothing to do with SEO. There are actually several other areas they work on as well.

    How well vetted was this story?