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Student Arrested for Making Videogame Map of School

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on from the obviously-a-terrorist dept.

tanman writes "A student at the Houston-area Clements High School was arrested, sent to an "Alternative Education Center" and banned from graduation after school officials found he created a video game map of his school. School district police arrested the teen and searched his home where they confiscated a hammer as a 'potential weapon'. ' "They decided he was a terroristic threat," said one source close to the district's investigation.' With an upcoming May 12 school board election, this issue has quickly become political, with school board members involved in the appeal accusing each other of pandering to the Chinese community in an attempt to gain votes."

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  1. Understood... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This royally pisses me off. I always wanted to build Quake levels for my high school, because it would have been the perfect multiplayer map. Two or more routes to any given place, wide halways, two floors, balconies, stairs at the end of every hallway...it would have been awesome.

    But I never went through with it, because Columbine was still fresh in everyone's memory, and I was afraid that exactly this sort of thing would happen.

    It's not a fear of terrorism that drives this sort of thing, or even a fear for our children. It's a fear of our children. We're so scared of the little guys that the instant they bring school into their video game hobby, we freak out.

    This kid doesn't deserve to be arrested. He doesn't deserve to be thrust into "Alternative Education". He deserves to have someone ask him why he built the school in a video game. Let a psychologist evaluate him, and then either medicate the kid or let him go back to class.

    (And someone should offer him constructive criticism on his level building techniques.)

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    1. Re:Understood... by krovisser · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, it seems ridiculous to arrest someone for making a video game map based on a physical place. They did it merely because other kids have shot up schools, and some of those other kids played video games, therefore every kid that makes a map is going to shoot up a school. Just a wee bit preemptive. I think everyone should start making maps of famous places, schools, office buildings, cities, etc. Let's see how many people they think they can arrest under... what law?

    2. Re:Understood... by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I made a map of my school shortly after the Columbine thing, for Duke Nuken 3D.

      I got extra credit from my Visual Arts teacher for being 'creative', and lemme tell you, I had a HELL of a lot more than a hammer for weapons at my house.

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    3. Re:Understood... by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude, you are way underestimating the seriousness of this issue. They found a hammer in this kid's house...a fucking HAMMER. He could easily have knocked one, maybe even two people unconscious with that thing before anyone could do anything about it.

      What does anyone need with a hammer in their house anyway? Forget about banning him from graduation, this little mini-Osama should get sent straight to Gitmo. There is absolutely no reason to have a hammer in your home unless you intend to commit a terrorist act.

      Plus, if all that weren't bad enough, this kid is ASIAN. Christ man, do you have any idea how crazy those Asians are? One of them killed a bunch of people at Virginia Tech just a short time ago. This categorically PROVES that all Asians are sociopaths just itching to shoot up a school. You can't argue with this logic, it is completely impervious.

      You have no idea what we're up against here, man. This shit is SERIOUS. Don't come crying to me when your kid comes home with a big nasty bump on his head because one of these little Asian al Qaeda wannabes smacked him over the head with a mallet. You were warned.

    4. Re:Understood... by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This kid doesn't deserve to be arrested. He doesn't deserve to be thrust into "Alternative Education". He deserves to have someone ask him why he built the school in a video game. Let a psychologist evaluate him, and then either medicate the kid or let him go back to class.

      Just why should he be evaluated or asked about what he's done?
      It's not in any way strange to apply your day-to-day experiences to hobbies and fantasies.
      I wrote a text adventure in my youth where large parts of the layout was based on my school and public library. A classmate won an award for the painted plywood model he built of our school. No-one sent either of us to psych eval.

      What this guy needs is for people to give him a fucking break. It's his school, and his knowledge about its layout is his to do whatever the hell he wants with.

      As for the police confiscating potential weapons, that's worse than any police state I've ever heard of.

      I say that Condoleezza Rice has several potential weapons in her office, and she could potentially go on a murder spree in the White House. Since you can't prove otherwise, now go lock her up. Or set this kid and anyone else who's been arrested for potential (i.e. thought) crimes free, and erase their bloody records.
    5. Re:Understood... by Duhavid · · Score: 5, Funny

      I spoke with Charles Hammerton about this, and you are neglecting many aspects.

      He might have had the hammer for home defence. There is nothing
      wrong with some sport hammering from time to time. Of course, we
      believe that hammers should be licensed, and background checks done
      before a hammer can be purchased. Training is, of course, very
      important, and hammers should never be left where children could
      harm themselves with them. If appropriate, a hammer lock can
      be had at any high school that teaches wrestling.

      Dont forget about the constitution, and the right to bear hammers.

      Responsible hammer ownership is a right, and should not be infringed
      by a few nut cases.

      As Charles said "you can have my hammer, when you pry it from my cold,
      dead fingers".

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    6. Re:Understood... by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you don't stop them now then they'll work their way up to a board with a nail in it, then a screwdriver, then a big stick, and before you know it he's running around the school swinging a big, heavy backpack at people.

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    7. Re:Understood... by vought · · Score: 5, Funny

      He could easily have knocked one, maybe even two people unconscious with that thing before anyone could do anything about it.

      As a proud, lifetime member of the National Hammer Association, I must insist that we not go too far here. It's part of our constitutional rights - the right to Arm and Hammer - to arm ourselves with hammers. This incident is merely one more reason that everyone ought to carry hamers everywhere they go - if others had been armed with hammers, this student would have had a serious disincentive to consider possibly carrying out the egregious act he was prevented from possibly committing.

      Soon, crazy liberal will want to outlaw air hammers, jack hammers, Mike Hammers, pipe hammers - even Diesel hammers - you name it. Act now to preserve your hammer rights - join the NHA.

    8. Re:Understood... by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Funny

      There is absolutely no reason to have a hammer in your home unless you intend to commit a terrorist act.

      Hey! If we outlaw hammers, only outlaws will be able to put shelves up!

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    9. Re:Understood... by Redlazer · · Score: 5, Insightful
      No, Alternative Learning Centers actually just low-budget high security schools with no extra classes. I've been to one, and its pretty much just Math, English, Gym, Science, go home. Ironically, the teachers there where some of the best ever, and good god was it ever easy. I should have stayed - id have graduated with a 4.0 GPA.

      But really, sending him there is retarded. He's going to be there with a bunch of people who deserve to be there - drug addicts, violent people, unstable people, etc. Hes in danger - hes probably a nerd, and wont be very good at defending himself. ALC's (Alternative Learning Centers) are the worst places to send anyone "good" - its like throwing a kitten into a pack of rabid wolves.

      Its hard to say that some people shouldnt be in there - i remember i looked across the room at this guy, and he freaked out, like in the movies:

      "What are you looking at?"

      "Nothing."

      "So what, im nothing to you?"

      "No, i was just looking across the room."

      "What, im not good enough for you?"

      There really are people like that out there, and i unfornately do agree that some people should be in there. That guy was quite ready to severely injure me - had the teacher not told him to shut up, i woulda been hit with a chair.

      Of course, zero tolerance is what got me put in the school, and this poor guy is there for the same reason. What it boils down is that Zero Tolerance is what is garbage - and only the unstable nutjobs and hardcore drug addicts should be in ALC's.

      -Red

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    10. Re:Understood... by sehlat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      either medicate the kid or let him go back to class Right idea, wrong target. Medicate the police and school board, let the kid go back to class, and send the police and school board to re-education camp.
    11. Re:Understood... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Exactly. I once tried using Doom (I think it was Doom, but I'm old, I forget) to model a new data center.

      I wanted to create a 3D walk-through to complement the Visio diagrams I'd already done, so we could get a feel for the dimensions of the place. I was about half-way through designing it when I got sick of being asked "why does the guy have a gun?". (As I was the one _designing_ it, I didn't have to worry too much about the "terrorist" nonsense.)

    12. Re:Understood... by evil_Tak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1. It is not illegal to create game maps for a first-person shooter game.
      2. It is not illegal to show maps for a first-person shooter game to someone else.
      3. It is not illegal to possess five swords.
      4. The board had nothing to react to in the first place.
      5. The student committed no crime for which the police could legally arrest him, at least pre-PATRIOT Act.

      He, an honor student, was removed from his high school and forced to attend an alternative (read: for delinquents) education center, will not be allowed to receive his diploma with the rest of his class, and will probably have difficulty, if not being accepted to, at least getting financial aid for a good college. All because he went to a school staffed and parented by a group of reactionary morons.

      How should the school have handled it? There's nothing to handle. When/if parents complained, the appropriate authority figures should have repeated my response to #1: "It is not illegal to create game maps for a first-person shooter game."

    13. Re:Understood... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its hard to say that some people shouldnt be in there - i remember i looked across the room at this guy, and he freaked out, like in the movies:

      "What are you looking at?"

      "Nothing."

      your first mistake.

      The correct answer is...

      "I'm trying to figure out what way is best to kill you. Should I slit your throat and give you a necktie or simply cut your balls off and shove them down your throat.

      Hey do you think your flesh goes better with Mustard or Barbecue? Nevermind, I'll bring both when I eat your eyelids."

      Also in a fistfight, first thing you do is grab the top of the fuckers ears and pull. If you had him his ears all of a sudden tough guys become crying pussies. At that time hit him so hard in the nuts you feel something pop.

      "tough guys" need the shit kicked out of them like that so they become less of a problem to society. They need to know that people will go psycho on them and do shit they cant imagine without getting mad.

    14. Re:Understood... by Pichu0102 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Good poll, but where is the CowboyNeal option?

  2. A bit of an overreaction by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I was a young'un, I created a Quake map of the local Laser Tag joint. I even was working on a mod that changed the weapons to behave more along the rules of the game. Even worse, my mod gibbed you if you tried to illegally cross the center barrier. (*gasp!*) Should I have been arrested as a terrorist? Maybe I was planning to run in with a Phazer pistol and start shooting the place up?!? Actually, I suppose it's worse than that, because I did actually run in and start shooting the place up with a Phazer pistol. Oh noes!

    I'm sorry, but the idea of creating a school map for you and your friends to play is something that goes back as far as Doom. Kids create these environments because they're familiar, not because they want to go shooting up the place. Only Jack Thompson believes that unbalanced people "train" for killing on these games. The truth of the matter is that ole' Jack is full of sh*t. His claim on Fox news that a previous shooter had created maps of his school turned out to be bunk. He had created maps for Counter Strike, but nothing even vaguely related.

    If this map disturbed parents (which is an understandable concern given recent events), then the school's action should have been to evaluate the individual, not immediately kick him out of school. Pretty much all of the shooters in recent history were known to be mentally unbalanced prior to the shootings. An evaluation of the individual's mental state and school records would clarify if he was a threat or not. If not (which it doesn't sound like in this case), you ask them to discontinue the behavior, delete the maps, and go about school as usual. But instead, we give these kids a real reason to hate the faculty. Way to go guys.

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    1. Re:A bit of an overreaction by arth1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If this map disturbed parents (which is an understandable concern given recent events), then the school's action should have been to evaluate the individual, not immediately kick him out of school.

      I believe in applying the cure where the problem is. If parents or teachers feel disturbed, they should go see a shrink. There's therapies available that can assist with irrational fears.
  3. Linky? by Apocalypse111 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So where can I download this map? I'm certain it'll be pretty popular within the next few days, so I want my copy now...

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  4. And this is important how? by Thyamine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As someone who made maps of campus for Doom back in college, I can attest that students have been doing this for years without ill-effect. It's a natural reaction to want to create a game map of places you know, especially somewhere you spend hours on a daily basis. This is purely reactionary BS on their part due to the current environment surrounding violent video games in our country. I doubt they bothered to check if he was troubled or someone to be concerned about, and simply jumped to conclusions.

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  5. Frightening by omeomi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wow, this is really frightening. They've taken a kid who had the knowledge and initiative to build a 3D map of his school, who hasn't done a single illegal thing, and kicked him out of school based on the fact that someone in his family owns a hammer. A hammer. Who among us doesn't own a hammer? I own three. One's kind of small for hanging pictures. Another one is a normal sized hammer that I've had for a long time, and the third is one that replaced my normal hammer when my neighbor borrowed it for 2 months. Am I a criminal because of my hammer collection?

    This is so ridiculous that it hurts. There's been no scientific evidence that gamers--even gamers who enjoy violent video games--are any more likely to be violent people. And there's certainly been no evidence that game developers or game modders are any more likely to be violent people. Where do authorities get off assuming that someone with an active imagination, who enjoys the fantasy of games, is a terrorist? I hope he sues the school board, and wins.

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    1. Re:Frightening by Garridan · · Score: 5, Funny

      Worse, imagine what the feds would do to this guy!

  6. They Found a Hammer? by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have heard of cops falsifying search records, but that notwithstanding how can anyone justify classifying a hammer as a potential terrorist weapon? I hope this kid's parents have a lot of money so that they can get some justice for their son.

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  7. Re:*sigh* by dirk · · Score: 5, Funny

    I died a little on the inside when I read this. :(
    Don't worry, you'll respawn in Mrs. Crabapple's classroom for round 2.

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  8. Developers do this all the time by Lightwarrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jedi Knight 2 had a map of the Raven offices. Same for Blood and Monolith.

    FTA: "Speakers at the FBISD Board's April 23 meeting alluded to the Clements senior's punishment, and drew a connection to the April 16 shootings at Virginia Polytechnic Institute, in which a Korean student shot and killed 32 people."

    In which video games *WERE NOT INVOLVED*. But that clearly doesn't matter. Something bad happened involving people under the age of 21, and as such video games must be at the heart of it.

    -lw

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  9. Unslashdotted links by kentmartin · · Score: 5, Informative

    As the original link is slashdotted, here is a couple more for the same story

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro /4766843.html
    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=local&id =5263782

    I'd scream at the ridiculousness of it all, but, then I'd probably be arrested for practising some sort of arcane terrorist warcry.

    1. Re:Unslashdotted links by powerlord · · Score: 5, Funny
      Nice links. My favorite quote in the second link:

      [A fellow student] said, "If somebody can make a map like that of the whole school, I mean, it does kind of scare me a little bit, and make me wonder, you know, what else they could do."


      Yeah ... I mean ... they could make a 3D model of a rocket launcher or something, and then we'll all be in serious trouble. ::roll eyes::
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    2. Re:Unslashdotted links by atrocious+cowpat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      /[A fellow student] said, "If somebody can make a map like that of the whole school, I mean, it does kind of scare me a little bit, and make me wonder, you know, what else they could do."/

      Yeah ... I mean ... they could make a 3D model of a rocket launcher or something, and then we'll all be in serious trouble.
      Even worse: The might eventually learn to operate CAD-Programs, study Architecture and build real schools! Just imagine the horrors that could happen in those places... !
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  10. Psychos... by flyingfsck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It sounds to me as if half the school board members and police need psychological councelling. The kid is fine, but he will probably do better in a different school with normal people.

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  11. Re:Oh, For Christ's F***ing Sake... by vought · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since I'm from the deep south (somewhere east of Texas and west of Mississippi) I feel qualified to say...

    This is par for the course in this part of the United States. Ignorance, fear and xenophobia run rampant, white men run everything, and opportunism prevails at every turn. Police forces are treated as a paramilitary force, and zero tolerance is the rule in schools - even though it only means that more kids every year get fewer chances at straightening up and becoming successful.

    Louisiana (and other population-losing red states) wonder why it's best and brightest move away as soon as they finish college - crap like this is the reason why.

  12. We need revolution and we need it now by Sneakernets · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I did this with my high school. I showed it to my teacher in CAD class. He loved it. We converted it to a Doom II map. we played it. No one died, no one cared. in fact, I was given an award from my school for my "excellent achievements", partly due to that.


    I also remember a group called the POCD made a DoomII mapset with school layouts. The maps turned out to be a hit in deathmatch, especially on "Last man standing" mode that was added in a recent Doom port, Skulltag.

    Now you can be arrested for...... this? What I got.. this plaque for?


    *a tear falls down his cheek*

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    1. Re:We need revolution and we need it now by RingDev · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm right there with you. My friends and I built a map of our high school in Doom. We even put deamon spawn points in some of the classrooms where teachers we didn't like worked. All of the students involved have gone on to grow into productive contributing members of society with out killing a single person.

      In addition to working on doom and quake levels based on real world locations, I also grew up around guns (with a very healthy respect for them), listened to heavy metal, and was probably considered a non-conformist to most (ie: trench coat and combat boot wearing, angst ridden, KMFDM listening, rivet head-teenager).

      Had I gone to school after Columbine or VA Tech, I would have likely been arrested and secured for the safety of society, instead of going on to serve honorably in the US Marine Corps, working in medical research, and raising a family. The real shame here is how this kid's life will forever be changed because of overzealous scaremongers trying to make examples of anyone who doesn't fit in their homogenized view of society.

      -Rick

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  13. insane by jigjigga · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it." I think that sums it up nicely. Oh and thats John Lennon.

  14. If any high school students are reading this... by koreth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please take heart. Not all of us adults are such utter fucking morons.

    Not that you'd know it from the comments on the article, where a depressing number of people say they hope he has learned from his "mistake."

    I bet he has. He's learned to keep his activities secret from the authorities if he values his freedom. He's learned a little bit about what it's like to live in an increasingly paranoid, authoritarian society, where innocuous activities that harm nobody can get one declared an enemy of the people. He's learned that politicians have no compunctions about advancing their own careers by ruining the lives of the people they supposedly serve.

    His mistake wasn't making the map. If FPSes had been around when I was in high school I would have loved to play on a map of the school; unlike a bunch of adults, it seems, I understood and understand the difference between video games and reality. His mistake was not being sufficiently clandestine when he shared it with his friends. Hopefully he will take this as a valuable lesson about the value of covering his tracks thoroughly in his daily life.

  15. People study this by hdstainsby · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At the university of South Australia they've made a whole virtual world based on their campus where people go round in VR headsets on the campus groups shooting each other. It's understood that these people are not just training to switch to real weapons.

    http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/projects/ARQuake/www /

  16. Re:Hammers? by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 5, Funny

    A hammer is a terrorist tool because you couldn't crucify Jesus without a hammer! See? They hate Jesus! And freedom!

    Look, I found a terrorist song!

    If I had a hammer I'd hammer on the freedom
    I'd hammer on the infidels
    All over this land
    I'd hammer out patriots
    I'd hammer out christians
    I'd hammer out apple pie and baseball
    All over this land

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  17. It is ape law! by MS-06FZ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's see how many people they think they can arrest under... what law? It's probably not within the spirit of the law, but there's probably a local sodomy law or disorderly conduct law that could be "stretched to fit"...
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    1. Re:It is ape law! by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't want to think about sodomy laws being stretched to fit....

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  18. Better grade than I got by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My Visual Arts teacher gave me an "Incomplete" for the course. I shouldn't have made my map for Duke Nukem Forever.

  19. This is a reactionary response by rsborg · · Score: 5, Insightful
    To the MASSIVE technological shift that's taken place in this country. Literally in the past 10 years, the country has become computerized and interconnected (through the internet) and people have people who don't understand are SCARED.

    Add to this a mix of fascist officials and craven lawmakers who choose to ignore rights in search of appearing to address the security problem (insert Ben Franklin quote here).

    It's not a fear of terrorism that drives this sort of thing, or even a fear for our children. It's a fear of our children. We're so scared of the little guys that the instant they bring school into their video game hobby, we freak out.

    You're right, it's a culture of fear, but it goes beyond our children. It's the technology and to a large extent, a media-inspired culture of fear... of EVERYTHING.

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    1. Re:This is a reactionary response by element-o.p. · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself - nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."
      -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

      This culture of fear of everything, as you so aptly described it in the post above, wasn't exactly what FDR had in mind when he spoke these words, but I can't help but think how incredibly prescient his words were.

      Sigh....

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  20. Re:Got free speech? by Peter+Trepan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "If a person cannot walk into the middle of the town square and express his or her views without fear of arrest, imprisonment, or physical harm, then that person is living in a fear society, not a free society."

    How ironic.

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  21. Tell them how you feel by ahoehn · · Score: 5, Informative

    Royally pissed off? Explain your viewpoint to the school.

    The School's site is here.
    Principal: Kevin Moran - Kevin.Moran@fortbend.k12.tx.us - 281-634-2156
    Assistant Principal: Lorri Hubert, Lorri.Hubert@fortbend.k12.tx.us - 281-634-2164
    Lead Counselor: Alice Ledford - Alice.Ledford@fortbend.k12.tx.us - 281-634-2157

    Fort Bend ISD's site is here.
    Superintendent: Timothy R. Jenney, Ph.D. - superintendent@fortbend.k12.tx.us -

    The entire board of directors of the Fort Bend ISD can be reached here. (Google Cache in anticipation of slashdotting).

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    1. Re:Tell them how you feel by Culture · · Score: 5, Informative

      As a Ft. Bend ISD parent (Yes, a /.'er can have a wife and sex), taxpayer and voter, I hit them all up with a nice long e-mail and directive that I want a response. I will post here if I get anything.

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  22. We have no idea what this ALC looks like... by grantek · · Score: 5, Funny

    The community deserves to be able to take a "virtual tour" through this facility to ensure our kids it's safe and sound - quick, someone make a Quake map of it!

  23. Re:in lumping in drug-addicts with violent people by Redlazer · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Im glad you smoke pot and so desperatley attempt to make it "ok", but seriously, shut up. Did i even say that drugs made people violent? No. Many of them do, for many reasons, from an overdose to withdrawal to "thats how they get feel it." Its rediculous. Don't do drugs at school. Its just like getting drunk at school.

    Apart from that, i do think that the restrictions put on pot are pretty stupid - putting a pot smoker into ALC would be just as stupid as putting the guy the story is about in ALC. Thats doesnt make smoking pot "ok", but that does make overzealous punishment "idiotic".

    Besides, ANY mind altering act (be it sex, drugs, alchohol, anything) done to get away from emotional pain will always get worse. Doing it for fun or socially is fine - just like drinking alchohol, its ok in moderation.

    Speaking of moderation, maybe you outta give it a try. Lay off the speed.

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  24. PATRIOT ACT by Bayoudegradeable · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah, that law is called the PATRIOT ACT, which gives law enforcement basic carte blanche to arrest yo ass under any suspicion of terrorisms. Making a map of school? He MUST hate freedom! Therefore, as a freedom hater, we have reason to suspect he is a terrorism! And thanks to the rubber stamp formerly known as Congress, under the PATRIOT ACT, that poor kid can wind up screwed. What's really sad is that when he applies to jobs and a background check is run.... "Detained for suspected terrorist activity" is likely to come up. Anyone gonna hire him if they run such a check?

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