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Quantum Dot Recipe May Lead To Cheaper Solar Panels

Science Daily is reporting that scientists have developed a new method for cost-effectively producing four-armed quantum dots that have previously been shown to be particularly effective at converting sunlight into electrical energy. The discovery could clear the way for better, cheaper solar energy panels.

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  1. Oil Companies by biocute · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I notice oil companies are heavily involved in solar energy, are they securing their future and/or slowing solar tech down?

    I would hate to reincarnate into a world where BP is still selling me (solar) energy as costly as what it is today.

    Can individuals adequately produce energy themselves in the future, or will big-corps still be the real suppliers?

    1. Re:Oil Companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Can individuals adequately produce energy themselves

      Yes, you probably can, right now, provided you absolutely disregard patent law and have a smallish garden. The patent system is used by oil/power companies to clamp down on development - most of the anti-software-patent arguments apply to patents generally.

    2. Re:Oil Companies by Rycross · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I remember hearing here on slashdot that a lot of the energy companies actually recognize the fact of global warming. That, combined with the dual threat of peak oil, and they probably see the writing on the wall. To that effect, they're probably looking for ways to maintain their bottom line. Corporations are many things, but they aren't evil just for the heck of it. They're in it for profit.

    3. Re:Oil Companies by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I'm confused. Are you trying to say corporations are evil, but it's ok since it helps them make money?


      He's saying they aren't immoral so much as amoral. They don't sit around twirling their mustaches thinking of new ways to ruin the planet; rather, they sit around twirling their mustaches thinking up new ways to make money.

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    4. Re:Oil Companies by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Fossil fuel is still pretty cheap, even with the OPEC cartel.


      Don't forget to factor in the externalized costs (air pollution, global warming, terrorism, your children getting sent to Iraq, etc). The price you pay at the pump isn't the only price there is to be paid.

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    5. Re:Oil Companies by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, let's see if I have this straight. If oil companies don't invest in renewables, then they're referred to as dinosaurs and treated as garbage that's holding the world back while they destroy it. If oil companies do invest in renewables -- in the case of solar, outright doubling the amount of investment dollars in it (esp. BP and Shell) -- then they're only doing it to lay out patent minefields and stamp out development.

      Tell me -- how do they win? No, really -- what can they do to make you happy? Leave the oil industry altogether, so that prices shoot through the roof, and some other oil company which cares *less* for the environment can take their place?

      Meanwhile, people like you just keep driving and driving, taking airplanes and using plastics, and all the while acting like it's someone else's fault. Well, guess what? The problem is *consumption*.

      Some oil companies, like Shell and BP, are hedging their bets with investments in renewables and carbon sequestration. While in each case it's only a couple percent of their revenues, the oil industry is so much bigger than the renewables industry that it majorly increases the dollars going into renewables. They're making that bet so that, in case energy sources do change or carbon sequestration is mandated, they're in a position to capitalize on it. Since sequestration and renewables would drive their competitors out of business, you'll find lots of instances of Shell and BP execs encouraging governments to act on climate change. Others, like the monstrously big Exxon-Mobil, aren't taking that bet. As a consequence, you'll find that something like 90% of the anti-global-warming and anti-renewables PR can trace back to them.

      That's not to say that even the renewables supporters are angels. They still lobby, like all oil companies, for laws that protect their core businesses**. It's a dirty business, and the stricter environmental controls are for production, the tougher it is for them. Still, I'm a firm believer that A) renewables investments so big that they double the size the investment pool in some cases are a very good thing, and B) instead of complaining about those evil old oil companies, *stop consuming their damn product* if you have a problem with it. If you don't, you're *part of the problem*. The world's burdens shouldn't fall on their shoulders just because *you* don't want to think of yourself as part of the problem when you're the reason why they have to produce that environment-destroying stuff in the first place.

      ** On the other hand, I was pleasantly surprised when I looked up what was being lobbied for and found that most oil companies, even Exxon-Mobil, lobby as "peaceniks" ;) Each major oil company had at least one country that they were pushing for more peaceful relations with. Why? You can't safely drill in a war-torn nation, and you can't drill in a nation that has a cold war going with your country. One wanted better relations with Iran. Another wanted better relations with Libya (they got that). And on, and on.

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    6. Re:Oil Companies by Rycross · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're getting off track. We're not discussing whether or not their actions are evil. We're discussing whether they're investing in solar to bury it or in order to bring it to a viable means of energy production. My point is that the board room members aren't villains from "Captain Planet." They don't sit around going "MWA HA HA HA! Lets kill off solar! Its good for the planet, thus doing so would be EVIL! And we're EVIL! MWA HA HA!" If they're attempting to kill off solar, it would be done so in order to make profit, since thats their goal.

      I then go on further to say that global warming, peak oil, and other various problems with oil as an energy source are starting to gain a lot of focus by the populace at large. I theorize that the oil company executives see where the tides are turning, and are investing in solar to maintain their profits when the tides finally turn. I don't see them sinking R and D money into solar just to ignore a possible revenue stream, especially since investing that money in politicians could just as easily solve the whole "solar problem."

      Of course, other posters pointed out that they may have a short-term view, which may be the case. Its all speculation, unless you know someone very high in the decision making process at one of these companies.

      At any rate, I'm certainly not suggesting that the oil companies are gee-golly our best friends, nor am I suggesting that doing evil to make money is a-ok.

      Reading comprehension FTW.

    7. Re:Oil Companies by Tuoqui · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Technically you cant 'stop consuming their damn product' unless other companies stop too. Everything comes in plastic and plastic comes from oil. Even computer parts come wrapped in some form of plastic. If you dont drive a car you probably need to take the bus, train and/or other method of public transit to get to and from places. Even electric powered vehicles are probably getting their power by burning oil at some point along the line (though it could be nuclear which isnt as bad it comes with its own unique set of problems). These oil companies are not just in oil. They are in energy. Energy is what Oil is essentially after all. They're big because they manage to worm their way into every nook and cranny of every other business they deal with.

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    8. Re:Oil Companies by xtal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oil companies know what the score is with actual reserves. Extrapolate from there.

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  2. Re:YASPB by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is not that solar panels aren't improving fast enough.

    The problem is that petroleum is still so cheap.

    So for the time being, we have not crossed any economic thresholds for application types, nor are we looking at any such developments in the next serval years. So while basic engineering developments are promising, we aren't going see much investment aimed at making solar part of our daily lives.

    We haven't reach world peak petroleum production yet. As we approach it, and the rate of production increase slows relative to world economic growth, things will change.

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  3. Re:A long way to go yet by mcrbids · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As with all stories about incremental progress in solar cell there are still a few hurdles yet to overcome:

    What's funny is that progress is almost always incremental, and we adjust to each of these changes easily so we don't notice the advances.

    My 5-seat Saturn burns down the highway at 90 MPH, and gets over 30 MPG doing it, fully loaded, and has great handling all the way up. Try that in a 70's Comet. My dual-core laptop with 2 GB of RAM burns less power than an amazingly slower (but power efficient for its time!) K6-2 processor-based from 10 years ago. The concept of the Internet was mind-boggling 12 years ago when it was first introduced to me. Now, my 1.5 Mbit fixed IP DSL internet connection is ho hum by today's standards.

    Progress is constant, slow, and incremental. But go back 10, 20, or 50 years and compare life then to today and you might be amazed. I don't imagine that Solar power will be any different.

    Remember when a solar calculator was a big deal? Now, they're commonly available at the local $1 store. Nowadays, a 120-watt incandescent light bulb uses more electricity than virtually all the lights in my house, since the Compact Florescent bulbs I use everywhere are so efficient.

    I recently added a 1,500 foot extension to my house. So, I'm a big energy waster, right?

    Well, it looks like it actually REDUCES our energy consumption! Its got outer walls built with 2x6 instead of 2x4s, has double-paned windows, and over 2 FEET of insulation in the attic. Because of the double-pane windows, lighting needs are minimal, since we don't need to use lights during the day. The insulation is so good that when the doors/windows are closed, the temperature deviates by about 10 degrees through the day even though outside it has climbed to over 90 degrees. WOW! I don't think we'll even bother running the A/C in the older part of the house - to get comfortable, just go into the new extension!

    A big part of making solar work will be in reducing our demand for power.

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  4. Re:Inflexion point? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Pipe-dream or possibility?

    A big possibility. Remember the time when we used this black solid thing called COAL? It's just the way science and technology goes. We're hitting a new industrial revolution where the key technology is nanotech.

    Just as the discovery of the transistor made a revolution in electronics, the discovery of methods to create and handle nanomaterials is preparing us to make better tools, leading to more methods, materials, and so on.

    The problem right now, is not that we can find cheap energy - but that we WASTE TOO MUCH of it. For example, the internal combustion engine wastes a lot of energy as heat; Many countries in the world still use incandescent bulbs because the energy-saving ones are too expensive; TV's still use Cathode Ray Tubes (unless you can afford a plasma one); and what to say about computers? Too much electricity is wasted as heat because of the way transistors work.

    Nanotechnology aims to change all that. Against CRT TV's there are Field Emission displays (with nanotubes as electron emitters); against incandescent bulbs we have extra-bright LED's (with quantum dots as their key ingredient for light generation); against silicon in solar cells, we find tetrapod quantum dots; against internal combustion engines we are seeing fuel cells; Against silicon transistors we see quantum dots, nanotubes, graphene transistors, nanofibers, and what not.

    These technologies are currently very expensive and aren't even in diapers yet; We need still a lot of discoveries that will make these technologies economically viable. What excites me about revolutionary discoveries is that they DON'T depend on time. They're discovered almost by accident, like peniciline. It could happen in any time, but in the meanwhile we have to depend on the slow and steady advance of science and technology research.

    So if you want to help this become a greener earth, please support science and technology funding in your country.

  5. Show me the cheap pannels! by Deagol · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I've been a /. member for 10 years now, and these "cheaper, more efficient" solar panel techniques have popped up at least a two or three times a year. When the hell can I go shopping for consumer grade panels and find something substantially below $4/Watt?

    Given the subsidies solar research has had since the 70s, I can't figure out why progress has been so slow for the past 30 years. I'm not a big conspiracy buff, but, given the explosive rate of technology on other fronts over the same period, something just doesn't seem right.

  6. Re:Not Again! by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Move out. Homeowner's Associations are evil -- far, far worse than a school board for IQ(Mob)=least(IQ(Mob)) /cardinality(Mob). Best of modern economics coupled with the worst of small-town power-mad parochialism. Yes, I have examples, no I won't bore you with them. But you'd better fit in, sunshine!

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  7. Re:How about storage by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Alternatively, you could build a world-wide grid. The sun is always shining somewhere.

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  8. Re:A Manhattan Project on Alternative Energy Sourc by vonhammer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Centralized planning like this always sounds so easy, but it belies the complexities involved in these areas. Perhaps you should have said, "Manhatten projects" because each one would require that level of committment to bring to fruition. Even then, you might find that the market and science had moved in a different direction and that you had squandered much or most of your investment. And that is why centralized planning fails so miserably in these complex problems. The market is vastly superior and more efficient. The best approach is to tie the true cost of energy to the fuel (ie add a tax to fossil fuels proportional to the amount of CO2 they release when burned). Then sit back and watch, as if by magic, the free market adjust and substitutes and alternatives are selected by consumers. Over time, the problems work themselves out.

  9. Re:How about storage by matt21811 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "How do we store it?"

    By pumping water uphill.

  10. Re:How about storage by MtViewGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Problem with flywheel plants: they need very high quality metallurgy, ceramics or composite materials--none of which are cheap--to make them work, especially when you have to factor in the physics of a big, fast-spinning flywheel.

    A better solution is to develop MIT's nanotube supercapacitor power storage units, which eliminates the complications of fast-moving parts and still offer quite a lot of power storage in a unit not much bigger than an air conditioning compressor for a whole house.

  11. Re:Slashdot Post Title Generator by dorix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Science doesn't know yet. That's why it's mysterious.