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Disney Says, You WILL Watch the Ads

smooth wombat writes "ABC and ESPN, both owned by Disney, have struck a deal with cable operator Cox Communications to offer hit shows and football games on demand, but with the condition that Cox disable the fast-forward feature that allows viewers to skip ads. This is the first agreement of its kind. It only applies to Cox's video-on-demand service and will not affect viewers using DVRs to fast-forward through ads. The companies will also test technology that will place ads in shows based on ZIP Codes and geographic area, and 'freshen' the ads with new ones every few days."

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  1. Well, then by pak9rabid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even more reason to build a MythTV box..

    1. Re:Well, then by DJCacophony · · Score: 4, Funny
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    2. Re:Well, then by russ1337 · · Score: 5, Informative

      >>> ..for people who want a DVR and not an ongoing project...

      I'd say that traditionally you would have been correct. But I just built my second mythtv for the house (Dual core, Ubuntu 7.04, Mythtv 0.20). It took me less than a day, and most of that was just messing with stuff I didn't need to mess with. Last time, a year ago, it took about a week.

      The Ubunut7.04 recognizes the PVR-150 out out the box and has a full mythtv package in the repo's. It was a case of one click. No more IVTV rubbish and just follow the instructions to get your remote control working. All not that hard even for a noob like me.

      Haven't seen any TV ads for a couple of weeks now.... Unlike Cox cable users....

    3. Re:Well, then by russ1337 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >>>> The cablecard makers have vowed that it will NEVER work with linux or regular unblessed MCE pC's.

      Somewhere in China, a night-shift manager in an electronics factory that supplies PCI cablecard adapters to the USA, just thought of a new business opportunity.

    4. Re:Well, then by russ1337 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you continue to insist on stealing our content, and engaging in piracy, we're left with no choice but to replace your computer with a DRM-enabled appliance. Please, let us know if our customer service department can be of further assistance ;-)
      Funny you say that. It was this very morning one of my colleagues called me a Pirate (Aarrr) just because I use Open Source software.

      I said "so to not be a pirate I have to use Windows?" His answer: "Yep, If you use free software you must be pirating something."
    5. Re:Well, then by Dancindan84 · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's funny, since most pirates I know have more copies of Windows than anything else.

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    6. Re:Well, then by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Funny

      I trust you then stabbed him in the face and plundered his booty?

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    7. Re:Well, then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      You idiot.
      Usenet is dead, no one uses it, don't waste your time, piecing together uuencoded files and that whole 7bit-8bit thing is overrated and way confusing. Let it rest and stay away from it and please never mention it again....

  2. Customer says by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I will not watch a Disney owned channel. Easy as that.

    Content is neither bread nor air. I don't need it to survive.

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    1. Re:Customer says by CowTipperGore · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Unfortunately, most customers say "Are you ready for some football?!"

      The average American ranks cable (or satellite) TV and cell phone service up there with food and water. It will be a lonely boycott.

    2. Re:Customer says by decipher_saint · · Score: 5, Informative
      IF Wikipedia is correct they own;

      Disney-ABC Television Group

      * U.S. Television Networks:
      o ABC, Inc
      + ABC Television Network
      # ABC Daytime
      # ABC Entertainment
      * Greengrass Productions
      * Victor Television Productions
      # ABC Kids
      # ABC News
      # ABC Owned & Operated Stations
      * WLS Chicago - Channel 7
      * WJRT Flint - Channel 12
      * KFSN Fresno - Channel 30
      * KTRK Houston - Channel 13
      * KABC Los Angeles - Channel 7
      * WABC New York - Channel 7
      * WPVI Philadelphia - Channel 6
      * WTVD Raleigh-Durham - Channel 11
      * KGO San Francisco - Channel 7
      * WTVG Toledo - Channel 13
      + ABC Radio (ABC Radio & ABC Radio Networks have been acquired by Citadel Broadcasting, the sale has not yet been completed)
      o Disney ABC Cable Networks
      + Disney Channel
      # Playhouse Disney
      + Toon Disney
      + Jetix
      + ABC Family - formerly Fox Family & The Family Channel
      # BVS Entertainment - formerly Saban Entertainment
      # Jetix Latin America
      # Jetix Europe (Disney 74%, public shareholders 26%)
      # SIP Animation (undisclosed minority stake)
      + SOAPnet
      * U.S. Cable Network Equity Holdings:
      o Lifetime Entertainment Services (joint venture between Disney (50%) and Hearst Corporation (50%))
      + Lifetime Television
      + Lifetime Movie Network
      + Lifetime Real Women
      o A

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    3. Re:Customer says by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 4, Funny

      No!! Not SOAPNET!!!

  3. DVRs are saved by Tivo by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only reason they haven't put these restrictions on the DVRs yet is that they have to compete with TiVo. Once the competition is gone and they've gotten the market sealed up again you can expect these sort of restrictions to start appearing on their own DVRs. MythTV boxes don't count either. It seems to me that the cable companies only embraced DVRs in an attempt to kill them off, I imagine if they manage to drive TiVo out of business then they'll go back to their old tricks.

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    1. Re:DVRs are saved by Tivo by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only reason they haven't put these restrictions on the DVRs yet is that they have to compete with TiVo.

      If you had not noticed, Tivo signed a deal with Comcast to help develop and supply Tivo branded devices as Comcast DVRs, instantly making Comcast their biggest customer. Tivo is a partner to the big Cable companies now, not a competitor (which might be why we're seeing this stuff happening now). The writing was on the wall long before the deal was done as Tivo repeatedly refused to implement features that benefited their customers, but were opposed to the interests of the cable companies (skip ahead without an easter egg, commercial skip, export to DVD/VCD at a reasonable price, export to laptop in mpeg format, etc., etc.)

      It seems to me that the cable companies only embraced DVRs in an attempt to kill them off, I imagine if they manage to drive TiVo out of business then they'll go back to their old tricks.

      The way cable companies make money is by getting you to watch as many commercials as possible. This means getting you to spend more time watching ads and more time watching reruns with ads. The consumer buying a DVR wants to watch as few commercials and reruns as possible. These two goals are directly in conflict, which is why no one in their right mind should expect a good experience buying from a DVR manufacturer that is also their cable company or partnered with their cable company. They will give you the minimum features needed to keep you from going elsewhere, rather than the best feature set. The cable companies were smart to pay of Tivo, while they were still the only big player in the space. It redirects all the momentum in the space to ground, and gives them time to buy legislation to make sure only cable co. approved DVRs will work with "new improved" TV services. This space is ready for a revolution and a couple of new players, if only they can get by the cable company's monopoly leverage where they provide DVRs at under cost, while overcharging everyone for service to subsidize it.

  4. I hope they're careful by cfulmer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Every rewind backwards by 10 minutes so you could compare what you just watched with what happened earlier? If they disable fast-forward, you'll have to watch those 10 minutes over again.

    I wonder if it will be possible to reinstate the fast-forward button by running the on-demand movie through a DVR.

  5. Eye Staples by Cytlid · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wonder what other sort of medieval torture devices they can think of to force us to watch ads?

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  6. 20 minutes into the future... by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    > ...Its called an OFF button and I know how to use it.

    Janie Crane: "Edison... an off switch!"
    Metrocop: "She'll get years for that. Off switches are illegal!"

    - from Max Headroom, Episode 1.6, Blanks

  7. Not necessarily good by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a commercial producer, your goal is to get the attention of people and get them to remember your product. Because, well, that's what your customers pay for.

    So far, commercials aren't even seen as a nuisance by many. They are an often welcome interruption for various personal needs, from bathroom to fridge. When you overdo it, people get annoyed.

    And don't underestimate the negative effect of force. If you outright force people to watch an ad, they will connect no good feelings with it. So far, what makes people accept ads is that they enjoy the program around them and that they're in a generally good mood when they watch an ad. When they now pick up the remote and can't FF, they're pissed. And if this isn't carefully watched, the general mood when it comes to ads will be a very negative one. Not only on the "conscious" level, where people complain about ads, but also on the subconscious level.

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  8. Neither is it "content" by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Content" is a metaphor intended to make people think of creative works as products to be wrapped up and shipped around like any other commodity, when in fact creative works are natural expressions of our humanity and civilization.

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    1. Re:Neither is it "content" by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry, I simply don't agree that "it won't exist unless you pay for it". People do things -- sometimes incredibly impressive things -- for many reasons. To reduce human creativity to an economic transaction is, frankly, insulting to my notion of civilization.

      By your logic Emily Dickinson's poems do not exist, since she had no expectation of being paid for them and even wanted them destroyed upon her death.

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  9. hehe: try to parse this sentence from TFA by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The agreement could also provide broadcast networks a way to give viewers an alternative to the convenience offered by digital video recorders , without allowing them to avoid the ads, according to the report"

    Sorry what is being "given" to viewers here?
    -An alternative to convenience (i.e. annoyance)
    -"without allowing them to avoid" (i.e. "while forcing them...")

    Maybe I'm old-school, but usually giving things to one's customers is, um, phrased positively like e.g.
    "giving viewers quality programming *without wresting control of their devices from them

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    1. Re:hehe: try to parse this sentence from TFA by Sj0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can see the new Star Trek now.

      Some dude: "Captain Nestle! The sensors are picking up unusual tachyon emissions on that uncharted planet, planet Ford Escape 8! Shall I set a course with our EA Sports warp drive?"

      Captain: "Make it so irresistable, like boating. For more information on boating, call 1-888-555-2104"

      [The USS Enterprise car rentals, shaped like a giant bottle of cool, refreshing 7-up, travels to the planet Ford Escape 8]

      Some dude:"Captain Nestle! Sensors by Calvin Klein are detecting enormous quantities of awesome! Ford Escape 8 is the best ever!"

      Captain:"This is great! Quickly! Call headquarters and buy stock in this planet using the money in my ING bank account, where I [pause] Save [pause] my money"

      It would be entertaining, but only if it wasn't serious.

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  10. Not going to work by HangingChad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The harder they try to control viewing habits, the harder people will work to thwart whatever system is put in place.

    Sometimes when I'm watching something on TIVO I'll forget I can zip through the commercials. I'm more prone to forget and watch the commercials if there are fewer of them and they're interesting. The really obnoxious ones will spur me to either mute the TV if it's live, FF on TIVO and go to great lengths to find an alternative if some company like Disney tries to make me watch. Not happening.

    I love the way advertisers treat viewing like a one-way street. You watch what we give you. Well, screw you, Disney. The local ads are the worst. There are several that get me diving for the mute button. Where if they were more informative and less obnoxious, it might make reaching for the remote more of an effort and I might not bother.

    But broadcasters thinking they can squeeze 20 minutes of commercials into 60 minutes of broadcast and advertisers thinking we'll calmly sit through whatever annoying crap they throw up there...yes, I'm looking at you, Oxyclean guy...they can kiss my butt.

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    1. Re:Not going to work by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sometimes when I'm watching something on TIVO I'll forget I can zip through the commercials. I'm more prone to forget and watch the commercials if there are fewer of them and they're interesting.

      Well that's the funny thing, too. Since getting my DVR from my cable company, I've noticed that there are times when I actually stop fast forwarding, rewound, and watched an ad. Do you know why? Either the ad got my attention with something that was going on, or it was an ad for a product I might actually want.

      I think that bears repeating: "an ad for a product I might actually want." For the good of our cultural/socialogical sanity, the various groups in the advertising industry should be trying to find ways to deliver ads people are willing to watch without a fight, shielding consumers from ads that will only annoy the crap out of people. That was the whole idea of ads on television, after all-- to make the ads worth watching. Ads today are so fricken annoying, though, that it's usually not worth watching them anymore.

      And I'm not suggesting that the advertising industry damage themselves by showing restraint out of purely altruistic motivations. On the contrary, if they don't scale back and find ways to avoid annoying the crap out of people, we might just keep getting more inventive at blocking all ads all the time.

      Take the web as an example: A lot of people have become so annoyed with horrible pop-ups, pop-unders, complicated flash junk, etc., and the result is that we've developed extensions and plug-ins that block pretty much all advertising everywhere. If advertisers showed a little more restraint, ad-blocking might not be so common.

  11. Re:You know... by gosand · · Score: 4, Insightful
    TV, like magazines, newspapers, and radio are financed through ads and sponsors.


    Huh?


    Let me be more clear...


    TV (over the airwaves) is financed through ads and sponsors. What about Cable TV, which I pay for? Why do I have to watch ads on those channels? And moreover, this article is about on-demand pay-per-view... why have ads in that? It isn't about financing it, it is about making more money. Unless they are going to lower the price because now the ads will assist in financing it. I think not.


    If magazines are financed through ads (which is clear from their HUGE percentage of the magazine content) then why do I have to buy them?


    Newspapers - same as magazines.


    Radio - OK, here is the one area where you don't pay for it, so you endure the advertisements (or just change the station).

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  12. Compulsory Viewing? by youthoftoday · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I don't understand is, time after time, people think they HAVE to consume media.

    Just go outside! Enjoy the fresh air once in a while. I watch no TV (though there's one downstairs). Disney is probably doing people a favour.

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  13. TV? Why? by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    8+ months for me. When I moved, I deliberately did not have cable TV hooked up. Broadcast TV is pretty much pointless where I am. No TV? it's wonderful. There's too many other things to do than stare at the tube, and if I _am_ going to watch something it's deliberate, worthwhile, and ad-free: DVDs.

    When I _do_ happen to watch TV (somewhere else), all I can think is how lame it is.

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    1. Re:TV? Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
  14. I've run across this, too by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, this is a bit off-topic, but I just had to chime in and say that I've run across this attitude towards open source software, too.

    A coworker of mine bought a cheap computer a couple of years ago. He commented on how he didn't want to spend a lot of money of Microsoft Office for it, and was thinking about getting one of the second-tier office suites. I told him, "Just download OpenOffice."

    He had no idea what I was talking about, and thought I was referring him to some seedy warez site. I explained what FOSS was and told him about some of the more popular FOSS applications out there, but he just couldn't bring himself to believe me. He was absolutely, positively convinced that you end up "paying" for free software in one way or another; that even if OpenOffice didn't charge you to download and install their software, that there was some kind of hidden catch where it had to be adware or spyware or something. I even showed him the copy of OpenOffice I have installed alongside Microsoft Office on my work machine. He seemed really impressed, but I think he still ended up buying a copy of StarOffice or Corel WordPerfect Office because he just couldn't believe that it was free.

    Needless to say, I don't think he's going to be a Linux convert anytime soon.

    It almost made me wish that OpenOffice.org would set up a web site, something like OpenOffice.com, that has the exact same software, but charges you a $50 or so fee to download. Unfortunately, regardless of the best of intentions, some people just don't get it. At least then, I could point these people to the site where you can get the "real" copy.