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Answers From Steve Jobs at Apple's Shareholder Meeting
DECS writes "At today's Apple annual shareholder meeting, a series of proposals were presented for voting after which CEO Steve Jobs answered a series of questions from the audience. Jobs talked about Greenpeace, stock options, the iPhone, Mac OS X Leopard, and .Mac."
From TFA: "I wish it was just a matter of writing checks. If it was just a matter of spending money, Microsoft would deliver good products." Truer words have never been spoken. Also the oblig: In Soviet Russia, money spends Microsoft!
If he pulled it out of his front pocket (Jobs wears jeans), perhaps it's not prone to scratching or easily breakable. Maybe they learned something.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
He's almost jovial all of a sudden. Its frightening.
Nice of him to finally clear the air on the stock scandal and get the whole facts out there. Knowing the whole story now it really does look like what analysts where saying, a whole lot of nothing. Why the feds think they need to go after Apple of all companies when there a MUCH bigger fish to fry (*cough* hello big oil shutting down refineries for maintenance right after coming off of maintenance cycles to decrease production) who knows.
Also nice of him to again point out how stupid Greenpeace is. I quite enjoyed the maybe you should hire a few engineers so you can understand what the hell your talking about remark.
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Maybe Mr. Jobs only "works" 10 minutes a year or so...
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Great idea. Hold up Dell and HP for what they plan to do, while villifying Apple for already doing those things years ago.
The environment is an incredibly important issue that doesn't deserve the nitwits at Greenpeace.
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He says it'll be released on time, but he said the same thing about the Apple TV a few weeks before they announced it would be delayed.
I'm guessing it's something to do with Leopard.
Your mind is clear / The things that you fear / Will fade with how much you / Believe what you hear
"Excuse me while I whip this out..."
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
The reality is that Apple and Google are the companies making the innovative, neat new products these days that we're having fun playing with. You can either accept that and have fun with the rest of us or be grumpy and effectively yell "hey you kids, get out of my yard!" I feel sorry for you if you continue to choose the latter course of action.
"We can categorically state we have not released man-eating badgers into the area." - UK military spokesman, July 2007
I'm not an OS X guy, so I don't follow or know my Mac-related sites. Anyway I follow the link, and I'm reading along, and in the second Greenpeace-related paragraph I encounter:
encouraging user donations to Greenpeace to somehow solve that issue.My BullshitDetectorReadingOpinion(submission) returns a mild buzz. Next line:
After attempting to take credit for Apple's announcements (referring to the G.P. rep)sends me off on a bit of surfing of roughlydrafted.com, and googling of same said, which leads me to the conclusion that roughlydrafted.com is Daniel Eran's pulpit. Some of the 'articles' are fine and interesting, but that's not my point.
A few weeks back someone defined the difference between digg and /. as that the former is a blog aggregator+comments and the latter is a news aggregator+comments.This captures the difference for me, and makes me wonder about the submission a bit.
I suppose this is why we have arguments on /. as to whether bloggers are journalists http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/ 07/0428225.
I do admit that Mr. Eran is pretty up-front with his bias, so you know where he stands while you're reading him.
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I think Greenpeace's Science - particularly with respect to greenhouse effect solutions is muddled - like the scientists don't have steering control. It would be cool if some one who's a expert and who's used to dealing with politicians (i.e who posesses a stron persona) examined exactly where they are headed and corrected that for them as it destroys their cause.
The purpose of existence is to make money.
What do you think, that they just toss it into a checking account? When a company has "cash" that doesn't mean there are bags of money laying around. Of course it gets invested. And they make a lot of money doing so.
And your statement about "at least convert it to Euros" is naive. If you really think you can predict currency exchange rates, believe me, you'll be able to afford a lot more than 1,000 shares of AAPL. Currency trading is the biggest market in the world. If you can predict it well you'll have all the money you could ever spend.
Greenpeace's side. We heard from them first. They started this, remember? ("Apple are teh 5uxx0rz! Clean it up already!")
Then we heard a reply from Apple ("We were already doing that, like 12 years ago, so shaddup.").
Greenpeace got their response in ("See they changed their policy because of us! We r0x0rz!").
So we have now heard from both sides.
And Apple pwned Greenpeace. FTW.
I don't know about Apple's overall corporate standing in terms of environment, and I don't think it matters that much. The fact is: computers are bad for the environment. The best thing you can do for the environment may be not to buy a new computer at all and keep using the old one. And the worst thing for the environment may ultimately be... the power hungry software upgrades that induce people to buy new hardware.
As for Apple, I wish they'd replace their styrofoam packaging with something recycled and biodegradable. Apple's packaging is like a throwback to the 70's.
They get their iPhone out
"Loooook... shiiinyyyy...." *waves in face*
thrown of iPhones
Thrown of iPhones? I didn't know they let Ballmer into the Apple offices.
Even though campaigning like this is often viewed as obnoxious and the author of the article sure seemed to think so, it's motivated several big companies to clean up their act.
Case in point, Ikea, which is nowadays greener and more ethical than any number of small furniture retailers, even the mom-and-pop operations that probably sell the worst kind of child labour produced rainforest wood furniture there is.
This due to being vocal about the problems by that company and now it turns out that if you want to be an ethical shopper you have to shop at Ikea.
Some say he is made with ascii, others that he is eyeballed daily by millions. All we know is, he is known as the Sig
'' on the environment - no need announce environmental goals as other computer manufacturers are doing because iJobs himself thinks that doing so accomplishes nothing. ''
And that is so obviously correct, I don't know why you mention it at all.
Reducing waste helps. Announcing a goal to reduce waste doesn't help.
What is better in your opinion: Removing PVC from packaging (Apple twelve years ago) or announcing the goal to remove PVC from packaging in the next two years (HP) ? I know what's better in my opinion, and unfortunately we also know what is better according to Greenpeace.
You're obviously utterly missing what's innovative about Apple's stuff. It's not that they have the latest and greatest tech (they often do, but it's not important). The innovative stuff is how they design the user interaction.
You can get pretty phones from LG. They do more and cost less than the iPhone. The problem is that the UI sucks.
the iRack and the iRan?
As it was not long after he told me some of the stories, he and 700 other people in the Education branch of Apple where fired for poor job performance and restructuring. While a number got their jobs back in other departments, he was one of the ones let go and not rehired.
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Well, it has been going up lately, but MS stock outperformed it (click the Max zoom in the upper right hand area of the graph). A much better investment might be copper. I read an article years ago by an economic geologist (haven't found a link to it though) in which it was stated that at current known copper reserves, there isn't enough copper to wire the third world to the same extent the industrialized nations are wired (power and communications). Wireless may change that, but the third world still wants electricity, and China is building 544 new coal power plants in the foreseeable future. That's a lot of copper, and without some kind of gigantic new source, that's likely to mean higher copper prices in the future.
I'd advise apple to invest in either copper of MS stock.
"We are all geniuses when we dream"
- E.M. Cioran
With that in mind, Apple spent $712 million last year in R&D and they increased spending from the previous year. Also they are using the cash apparently to expand the business by acquiring real estate for new stores while upgrading their infrastructure. And they are buying back stock.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
I agree with the other reply to this post--Greenpeace is worse than nothing. Their raving lunacy makes the oil industry look like the sensible ones. There are ways to promote environmental issues in a calm, reasonable manner, but this has been made nearly impossible, because you'll just get lumped in with Greenpeace.
As for "it's of course easy to sit on your ass and comment on /. about how stupid Greenpeace is", you don't know me or the projects I've researched and undertaken along these lines.
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I put Greenpeace in the same category as PeTA - pushing their respective movements backwards, because they make everyone think that anyone who cares about the environment (or animals) is as batshit insane as they are. Spending more money on publicity for their crackpot campaigns than on actually helping anyone. Preaching to their little mostly-teenaged choir, not noticing that the masses are backing away slowly, not only from them but from other legitimate groups that just happen to share a few surface features but actually do a lot of good.
Warning: Apple/Nintendo fangirl. Likes her electronics cute & cuddly. May be rabid.
Read the summary, it's undoubtedly him talking about .mac, specifically iDisk. ;)
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I hope you're not working in any position where you design user interfaces - although I guess that, unfortunately, many people who do design UIs think like you do. You're wrong, of course. Usability is not subjective. It's measurable.
I'm not entirely sure you actually mean to say that usability is subjective. You're right when you say that different interfaces make different use cases simple. And yes, there will be cases where other phones are easier to use than the iPhone. But given Apple's track record, I expect the iPhone to be one of the - if not the - easiest to use phones on average.