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Stanford To Charge Reconnect Fee For DMCA Notices

theantipop writes "Stanford didn't like appearing on the MPAA's list of 25 worst offenders. Last week the university issued notice of a new policy in which students are charged a reconnection fee, ranging from $100 to $1000, if they fail to respond quickly enough to a DMCA complaint. The policy is to take effect September 1 this year. As a show of 'good faith' they are graciously allowing all students to start at the $100 fee level for subsequent notices."

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  1. Economics here... by AP2k · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean its not like we wont have that money lying around from all the DVDs we sell, right? Right?

    1. Re:Economics here... by Dimentox · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But they assume you have the billions that it "costs them" from your alledged piracy. What gets me is that people seem to want to be able to get their content via internet.. So why the hell does the MPAA and riaa not see this as a sign to tell them where to switch their buisness model to. They have switched their business model but not to the right place. They switched it to no better than the mafia give us your lunch money. What i would like to see is Digital Streaming broadcasts of movies where you can buy a viewing ticket and watch it on opening night from your home. The movie theators suck, they are overpriced and i dont wanna sit next to some stinky person who talks on the cell phone.

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  2. PDF Dump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    1
    Student DMCA Complaint Policy & Reconnection Fee
    May 11, 2007
    Background
    While file-sharing technology has revolutionized our ability to share information
    with one other, its illegal use for pirating copyrighted materials is at unacceptable levels
    at Stanford. On March 30, 2007 Stanford was listed as one of the Motion Picture
    Association of America's top 25 worst offenders
    (http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/index.php?id=196 9). We have also had a steep
    increase in the number of piracy complaints filed against us by the Recording Industry
    Association of America (RIAA).
    From September 2006 - January 2007, Stanford received nearly as many Digital
    Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) complaints as we received in the entire 2005-06
    academic year. Of these complaints, 90% are directed at undergraduate and graduate
    students: students who are jeopardizing the Stanford network by using it as platform to
    steal songs, movies, TV shows, video games, books and software.
    As of May 2007, the RIAA has identified seven Stanford network connections
    that have been targeted for its "pre-litigation" notification program
    (http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/022807.asp). The RIAA has said that it will
    continue to send out pre-litigation notices each month.
    Keeping up with the number of file-sharing complaints coming in under the
    DMCA has required almost three full-time Stanford employees. It is an irresponsible
    waste of Stanford's resources--your tuition dollars--to spend so much staff time
    responding to copyright violations.
    To defray these costs while underscoring Stanford's stance on copyright,
    beginning September 1, 2007, Stanford will charge violators an Internet reconnection fee.
    2
    Student DMCA Policy
    1st DMCA Complaint: The Information Security Office will forward a copy of the
    complaint to the student, with an email instructing the student to
    remove copyrighted content and respond to the Information
    Security Office. A student has 48 hours to respond to the
    Information Security Office (ISO) and attend to the DMCA
    complaint. If the student addresses the DMCA complaint within
    that time, there will be no disconnection, and no reconnection
    fee. But if the student does not respond within 48 hours, the
    student will be disconnected from the network. Once the DMCA
    complaint has been addressed, the student will be charged $100
    to be reconnected to the Stanford network.
    2nd DMCA Complaint: The Information Security Office will forward a copy of the
    complaint to the student and to the student's Residence Dean.
    The student will be disconnected immediately from the network.
    Once the DMCA complaint has been addressed, the student will
    be charged $500 to be reconnected to the Stanford network.
    3rd DMCA Complaint: The Information Security Office will forward a copy of the
    complaint to the student. The student will be disconnected
    immediately from the network. Network privileges will be
    terminated. The Information Security Office will file a
    complaint with Judicial Affairs for disciplinary action. New
    network privileges may be granted at Stanford's discretion upon
    the student agreeing to indemnify Stanford against any further
    copyright violations, and paying up to $1000 to establish new
    privileges.
    Fees
    Students may pay fees directly to the University within 30 days of the
    reconnection; fees remaining unpaid after this time will be added onto monthly
    University bills.
    Although the purpose of these fees is to discourage piracy and compensate the
    University for resources spent dealing with DMCA complaints, for the first year of the
    program, the affected departments have agreed that these fees will be transferred to
    ASSU's general operating budget to enhance Stanford student activities.
    3
    Reconnection Fee Effective Date
    The imposition of the reconnection fee is the only substantial modification to
    Stanford's treatment of DMCA complaints against studen

    1. Re:PDF Dump by anexium · · Score: 4, Insightful

      so they get an immediate disconnect with a $500 fee on the second dmca? but what if the 1st one was bogus/wrong/malicious?

  3. Due diligence. by AltGrendel · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Of course, they checked to make sure the charges were real before the instituted the fines, right?

    I mean, these wouldn't possibly be trumped up charges after all.

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  4. abuse by Lehk228 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    so if someone from Stanford pisses me off i can send a fake DMCA letter and cost them $100?

    sweet.

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  5. Re:Good! by profplump · · Score: 4, Informative

    First, they aren't leeching from your taxes any more than you are for driving on roads in other states -- there are certain things we decided should be publicly funded due to their public benefit. Education is one of those things, and it's probably one of the most important, at least if you believe in self-governance. You may not personally think that education is a worthwhile project to fund, but many people do, and you're not going to convince them otherwise by accusing students of leeching from "your" taxes.

    But beyond that, Stanford is not part of the UC system, and is not particularly publicly funded. I'm sure they get some public money, but so do many other institutes, with or without students. For example, road construction companies derive a large amount of their income from public contracts, and very few construction companies enroll non-employee students.

    Does your ignorance make you a loud mouth arrogant bastard with your head up your own ass WHO LEECHES FROM MY INTERWEBS, or should I just excuse you as someone that's angry about not going to college?

  6. That is already so. by twitter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Next you wont be able to graduate unless you pay your unpaid DMCA notices.

    Most schools require a zero balance to graduate.

    Being denied net access is one of the principle wrongs of the right to read story. Even today, that is fatal. Witout network access, you can't register for classes. If Stanford has special policies for computers within their network which they deny to computers outside their network all of those services are denied for those "disconnected".

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  7. Re:Wow, just wow by Hatta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not sure this is even legal. Under the DMCA safe harbor provisions, network operators are supposed to take down material upon receiving notice from a copyright holder. If the customer disputes this, they can provide a counter-notice that the material does not infringe upon copyright. The ISP is then required by law to reinstate service, unless the copyright holder proceeds with a lawsuit.

    I don't see any room in this law giving Stanford discretion to make service contingent on receipt of a fee. Of course, IANAL so YMMV.

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  8. More generous than before by kscguru · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Before Slashdot overreacts, I graduated from Stanford two years ago; this policy is more forgiving than what was in place in 2005.

    Read it carefully - roughly, after the first notice, it's a $100 fee. After the second notice, it's $500 plus a notice to the residence dean (like a referral to the principle). After the third, it's $1000 plus a referral to Judicial Affairs (which, given Stanford's honor code, is likely to result in a suspension). The previous policy was a network disconnect until a student certifies offending material is removed, the second offense was another disconnect plus a notice to the residence dean, then after the third, referral to Judicial Affairs and a student was PERMENANTLY BANNED from the Stanford network. (Makes it quite difficult to do classwork.) I'm personally bothered with this new policy; makes it too easy for a rich kid to ignore everything.

    Stanford's networking folks do look carefully at the notices, protect student privacy unless faced with a court order, and a student can contest the DMCA takedown notice without penalty with the eager assistence of Student Legal Affairs - although doing so waives your privacy. As of two years ago, no student had ever contested a notice - they were all clear-cut DMCA violations. And only well-documented violations ever got passed to students.

    Now, let's be honest here ... I have yet to see a single person on Slashdot ever suggest running a file-sharing service from their desktop at work. So exactly why is a university a different story? Regardless of the merits of the DMCA itself (I personally think it's a stupid law, guilty-until-proven-innocent and with punishments far worse than the violation itself), the DMCA is still the law; why should a university be expected to shield individuals engaged in illegal behavior?

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  9. University backlash in long term to RIAA by Simonetta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Universities tend to be sluggish in the internal politics of their administrations, despite their reputation of being progressive and cutting edge. There seems to be a time lag of about ten years between the opinions of most of the students on an issue and that of the university administration. But when the administration does change, it often seems to go overly towards the opinion that the previous university administration was so against. There seems to this pattern of bonehead inertia followed by a swing too much in the other direction ten years later. I noticed this during the Vietnam War protests of the 1960s when lots of quality professors were being fired for protesting the war in its early years and then having universities go strongly anti-military in the 1970s. This pattern also showed up in the 1980s with resistance to 'political correctness' in the 1980s followed by a stiff overreaction towards PC mentality in the 1990s.
        So if there is any validity to these observations, then there may be a complete change of view against the RIAA and restrictive copyrights on the part of university administrations in about ten years that will last for another twenty or so afterwards. This pattern of overreaction to extremes followed by an idealogical reversal in the other direction seems to be the general dynamic of university administrations as the younger people who suffered from their positions in the beginning take control of the administrations through the long personnel change process. Often they are the only ones interested in gaining control of universities given the tediousness of administrative processes. Revenge seems to be a good motivator and would explain this tendency to shift between extremes.
        So don't worry too much about your university being a poodle to the RIAA cokeheads. It will most likely change over time. In the meantime, set up websites where you can support the fellow students who have been randomly selected for RIAA extortion.

  10. Re:College candidates - reprioritize your preferen by n00854180t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it's perfectly reasonable to de-rank Stanford because of this. If they're willing to harass their own students based on the whims of a private company, it's a short shot to doing more than just harass. Stanford (like others that seem to be more aware and responsible) has the clout to completely ignore the RIAA (as other universities have done), but instead it chooses to 1) harass students and 2) charge them arbitrary fees. All at the whims of a totally unrelated private company. Pretty dodgy if you ask me.

  11. They're punishing students for ACCUSATIONS by TheMCP · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay. Let's say you're my Stanford roommate, and I hate you because you snore loudly. All I have to do is file three DMCA complaints against you (or get a friend off campus to do so) and Stanford will zap you with $1600 of fines and you'll be brought up for disciplinary action. (Think you're gonna *want* to stick around after that?)

    The policy fines students for being accused. THE KID DOESN'T HAVE TO BE GUILTY OF ANYTHING, THEY GET FINED FOR BEING ACCUSED. Do *you* want to go to a school where you're not innocent until proven guilty, you're not even guilty until proven innocent, you're just automatically and permanently guilty the moment anyone makes an accusation?

    I had to write up the policy for a university dealing with the question of what to do with RIAA complaints a few years ago. In my opinion, Stanford is being *monumentally* stupid. I told the university I worked for to become an ISP and start charging students for internet access if they wanted it, and put no restrictions on that access aside from what minor restrictions an ordinary residential ISP might place. Then it would all be *their* problem, not the university's.

  12. Suggestion to Stanford students: by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Couldn't you DoS this policy by just making half-assed claims?

    Do exactly this. Just go to the dorms, do a quick inventory of what the room numbers are, and send at least two notices each. You can address it to "resident" for each room number, no need to know names or anything else. Alternatively, do a ping sweep (or similar tactic) on your local network, and send notices to their office regarding all IPs you hit -- or simply make shit up, you're bound to hit one or two of the firewalled ones.

    Everyone, please coordinate through Slashdot or something similar. Even do it around replies to this comment. Just make sure you aren't duplicating effort. Two is enough to force every single student you troll to be disconnected, once, and fined $100. That should be enough to cause problems for their "Information Security Office" even if the students were happy, and they should be pretty genuinely pissed off about the fines. But if you send more than that, you'll just be inconveniencing the students, not the university.

    Also, $100 is really enough. They do threaten that after enough notices, they'll charge $1000, but really, every student has $100 (even if they don't want to let go of it); $1000 is starting to get serious (in case this somehow backfires). I imagine they won't be fined at all, anyway, but don't be an ass.

    Now, the reasons I don't agree with this policy:

    Keeping up with the number of file-sharing complaints coming in under the DMCA has required almost three full-time Stanford employees. It is an irresponsible waste of Stanford's resources--your tuition dollars--to spend so much staff time responding to copyright violations.

    For higher education, they do sure seem stupid here...

    The solution to "spending so much staff time responding to copyright violations" should be really fucking obvious: Don't spend so much staff time responding to copyright violations! Make the students sign something when they get their network access that makes the student -- not Stanford -- responsible for the copyright violation. Then make the RIAA take it to court.

    (Does this work, legally? For all I know, the DMCA might have some sort of fine about not responding to copyright violation notices...)

    Of these complaints, 90% are directed at undergraduate and graduate students:

    Where'd the other 10% go, pray tell?

    students who are jeopardizing the Stanford network by using it as platform to steal songs, movies, TV shows, video games, books and software.

    Where is your evidence that:

    1. This activity jeopardizes the Stanford network in any way.
    2. Any theft is taking place (it's copyright infringement, you morons).
    3. Either this theft or copyright infringement has a correlation with any particular takedown notice.

    2nd DMCA Complaint: The Information Security Office will forward a copy of the complaint to the student and to the student's Residence Dean. The student will be disconnected immediately from the network.

    This is why you should send two to each -- to demonstrate how fucking bad this policy is. The MAFIAA has a history of suing grandmothers, 12-year-olds, and dead people, not to mention one woman who had never used a computer or the Internet in her life. Notice how I said "suing", NOT "sent takedown notices".

    So, before they even get to the part where they drag you into court for something you didn't do, couldn't have done, or at the very least, their only proof is one screenshot that has your IP in it, Stanford will kick you off the network for the second notice, no matter who sent it or what you've done about the first notice. (The 48 hours only applies to that first notice.)

    I'm sorry, but this is the kind of policy that would send me packing instantly. As in, bags packed, out the fucking door, get my transfer credits, drive to my parents' house, and explain that I need a new college. Whether or not I'd been doing anything illegal (which I have, by the way: I play DVDs that I own on Linux!)

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  13. Re:College candidates - reprioritize your preferen by badasscat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why, I avoided MIT because their campus sucks. When you're going to spend 3 - 5 years of your life at college why not look at the "little things" and chose one that meshes with what you want?

    Your implication that 3-5 years of campus life means a hill of beans to the 50-60 years you're likely to spend afterwards suggests to me that you're a recent graduate, if even that.

    Let me put it this way. Within 5 years of graduating college, you will have forgotten what it was even like. (That's especially true if you spend the entire time drunk like a lot of college kids do.) So it's a huge mistake to base your choice - which affects your entire life afterwards - on whether or not you like the campus. Ditto for DMCA policies, which are just as irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

    You should be basing your college choices on three things, and only three things: a) quality of education, b) reputation in your chosen field, and c) networking opportunities. Using any other criteria is sacrificing decades of your life for a couple of good years that you will probably just forget about once you get out into the real world. The last thing you want is to be stuck in some dead-end job when you're 30, feeling like you have no future and thinking "maybe if I'd gone to a different school, I'd have a better job, more friends and more money right now..."

    The good news for you is that it sounds like you may still have time to transfer to MIT. That's assuming you actually got accepted there, of course.

  14. yes it does by unity100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    3-5 years of life in a campus that you do not like, but in a good university can ruin/change your life fundamentally.

    you are making a mistake of evaluating human beings like machines - better in environments that will bring 'optimal' results for some standard goal.

    it is not as such. humans are emotionally, psychologically complex creatures.

    spending 3-5 years in an environment that excites you, fires you up, is fun and fulfilling with good atmosphere and social company that SUITS oneself, and in youth years of 18-22, the "free" years, which fundamentally and finally shapes and molds one's character, outlook on life and approach to life makes great positive difference than spending 3-5 years in an environment in which you will live indifference or dislike.

    the former makes one into a happy persona that will sail easily through life, the latter makes one into an automaton.

  15. no "caught" here by unity100 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They are punishing students for being ACCUSED. you dont need to be "Caught". and the accuser is riaa.

    little different than spanish inquisition eh ?

  16. Re:College candidates - reprioritize your preferen by boyko.at.netqos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I concur - and have more to add. Ultimately, the college education you get starts to level out. Sure, Harvard might open some doors the first year out of college, but the 5th year out of college, everyone's going to be looking at the past five years. Is academic reputation important? Absolutely. But you know what's more important? Being in an environment where you can A) Bring your skills to the table, B) Be comfortable, C) Try out many new things without feeling threatened.

    While avoiding Stanford for DMCA reasons may ultimately be a trivial reason, it does show that Stanford puts it's own interests above the education and well being of it's students. Do you really think that this place will have good academic counciling, will encourage you to study what you find interest in, etc.?

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