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Has Cosmology Been Solved?

An anonymous reader writes "In 1998, Dr. Michael Turner published a famous paper titled 'Cosmology Solved? Quite Possibly!' where he outlined seven major issues cosmologists should address in the following ten years. Nine years later, he revisits the list in an interview with the Slackerpedia Galactica podcast. He summarizes progress on each issue, adds some new goals for the next ten years, and even suggests that cosmology is now more interesting than science fiction."

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  1. Servernova before the first comment by richdun · · Score: 5, Funny

    seven major issues cosmologists should address in the following ten years

    1. Move to a better hosting service.

  2. Yup! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Funny

    This has been well-settled for 6,000 years. God created the world in 7 days! Says so right in Genesis, chapter 1.

    *smirk*

    1. Re:Yup! by radarjd · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Genesis contains a second which many religious folks don't like admitting.

      They "don't like admitting"? I have never heard that -- the story is there. Now, people may differ as to the interpretation or the literary harmony, but I've never heard someone claim that the text isn't there.

      A pet peeve of mine is that people who post here tend to believe that they're the first to identify a potential inconsistancy in the Bible. These have existed more or less unchanged for a couple thousand years. It's not as though all the minds contemplating the Bible simply skipped over that, and all of a sudden someone on slashdot points it out and "disproves" the Bible.

    2. Re:Yup! by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    3. Re:Yup! by wytcld · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But seriously ... when cosmology's solved we'll have a spade that can be used directly to uproot all the religions that make cosmological claims - particularly the genesis-myth-based ones. No smart child will any more join these religions, let alone fight wars for them, or strap bombs to their bodies to enter their paradises.

      Come rouse me off my barstool when that happens.

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    4. Re:Yup! by WhiplashII · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, technically, it you believe in creationism then it is no stretch to believe that oil was put in the "propper" place, etc. For example, there are religions that believe that Earth was built modeled after another world. If that was true, you would expect normal geology even if it was built in 7 days.

      On the other hand, the true test is:

      1) find a black hole 50,000 light years away
      2) build a telescope big enough to see Earth at 100,000 light years distance
      3) look at the edge of the black hole, using it as a mirror to reflect back the light that left Earth 100,000 years ago

      Who says that creationism is untestable? Not me!

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    5. Re:Yup! by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      when cosmology's solved we'll have a spade that can be used directly to uproot all the religions that make cosmological claims - particularly the genesis-myth-based ones. No smart child will any more join these religions, let alone fight wars for them, or strap bombs to their bodies to enter their paradises.

      Uh, no. Evidence and facts and all that stuff are no match for a superstitious mind.

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    6. Re:Yup! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ye Philosophers of Olde had severe problems with "deceiver" gods like this -- they couldn't even decide if Adam and Eve had bellybuttons or not. (If they did, it was indication of a past that did not actually occur, and thus God was a deceiver. If they didn't, then they weren't truly in the final human form, hence "made in the image of God" was now suspect.)

      Modern religious people seem to have no problem with God being a flat-out liar doing things like making light from stars a billion light years away already be "on the way", and showing events that never actually happened.

      Strange. Not only is the Devil testing you by doing things like pre-creating proto versions of Judaism that just look like Judaism derived from it centuries later, in anticipation of God giving the Jews holy writings centuries later. But now you have to deal with God himself deceiving you. And if you are misled by any of it, you get tortured for ever and ever.

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    7. Re:Yup! by Traa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      sorry, but that won't do. When 'they' claim that the earth was created some thousands of years ago, they mean that the universe was created some thousand years ago. With the oil in place for us to find, and light bending around a black hole for us to see and marvel at the ingenious of the creator for including the sight of earth as if it existed before creation. Just like all those cute dinosaur bones. That was put there for the unbeliever! /making this up as I go along

      As for disproving any of that crap, what works for me is to prove that it is not possible to create a valid scientific hypothesis that includes god. So he doesn't exist. QED.

    8. Re:Yup! by Darby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Christians don't have people executed....Truly religious people simply don't act like that, no matter what their religion.

      Wow, it truly amazes me that people will talk about things like this without even bothering to open the Bible *or* the Koran.
      Both are religions of hatred and murder.

      Koran:
      We have prepared for disbelievers Fire. Its tent encloseth them. If they ask for showers, they will be showered with water like to molten lead which burneth the faces.--18:29
      Among many others..

      Deuteronomy 13:6-10

      # If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
      # Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
      # Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
      # But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
      # And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

      So, yes, a true Christian is absolutely *required* to murder any close friend or relative who points out that their god is an idiotic delusion and they should grow up and start dealing with reality.
      There are plenty more absolute commands from god ordering his people to torture and murder people in the most disgusting ways for "offenses" a sane person would consider trivial or laughable.

      So, it's a damn good thing there aren't many Christians in the world. I just wish the heretics running around claiming, without one shred of conviction, to believe in him would actually read the fucking book and realize that all their talk of being good decent human beings is banned by the very book they claim to venerate as it commands them absolutely with admonishments that this may *not* be taken figuratively.

      Not that the Muslims are much different than the Christians except that more of the Muslims do actually believe in their God and obey him. Unlike the Christians who are almost all lying heretics.

  3. welp.... by Himring · · Score: 3, Funny

    Welp, that was cosmology. Now on to human diseases, followed by understanding women....

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    1. Re:welp.... by jeffasselin · · Score: 3, Funny

      followed by understanding women.... Now, THAT'S science-fiction!
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    2. Re:welp.... by tehSpork · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've got the first two covered but unfortunately the last one is simply not possible by today's science.

    3. Re:welp.... by El_Smack · · Score: 3, Funny


      "followed by understanding women....
      Now, THAT'S science-fiction!"


      Hell, around here, *interacting* with women is science fiction.

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    4. Re:welp.... by blhack · · Score: 5, Funny

      followed by understanding women... womanos v 0.9

      if prenup = false:

              select * from MEN where yearly_income > 500,000 and value_of_car > 80,000

      else:

              cocktease()

      SOLVED!
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    5. Re:welp.... by Himring · · Score: 2, Funny

      "What do women want?" [Freud's dying words]

      and

      You don't know what a woman wants, and you can't find out by asking her....

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    6. Re:welp.... by Luyseyal · · Score: 3, Funny

      Aha! A Heisenberg corollary.
      -l

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  4. the day that any field of scientific inquiry by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is "solved," is the day that field of inquiry ceases to be science, and BECOMES science fiction

    science is a never ending inquiry into the unknown. there will always be the unknown

    however, some of the higher level stuff of cosmology strikes me as a little too far out there to be called completely science. it is in many ways an intersection of philosophy, and math, and astronomy, and even religion

    i think of cosmology as a sort of soft science, like sociology

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    1. Re:the day that any field of scientific inquiry by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      science is a never ending inquiry into the unknown. there will always be the unknown

      *ahem.* We don't actually know that.

      (/self ducks.)

    2. Re:the day that any field of scientific inquiry by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      usually religion is used to try to better a person.

            Too bad religion sucks at that as well, among other things.

      (Expecting to be sent to mod hell by dozens of "better people")

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    3. Re:the day that any field of scientific inquiry by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Funny

      So you're saying it's not a known-unknown, but rather an unknown-unknown, to borrow from the former Secretary of Defense.

      So when does America invade?

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    4. Re:the day that any field of scientific inquiry by ZOmegaZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The entire basis of science is the idea that the universe operates under a finite set of consistent rules. For science to truly be a never-ending inquiry, then either the rules aren't finite, they're not consistent, or they're not fully knowable. And if they're not fully knowable, then we should recognize the point at which we can learn no more and stop wasting our time. We're nowhere near that point, of course. But the idea that there will always be some new rule of the universe we don't know defeats the purpose of science entirely.

    5. Re:the day that any field of scientific inquiry by malilo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      WTF??? Soft Science? Ok, admittedly I am a cosmologist, but there is no way that any actual, published research on cosmology is soft. If you want to talk about "random jackass's theory of cosmology he came up with while stoned" then there may be the mix of sociology and religion you're looking for.

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    6. Re:the day that any field of scientific inquiry by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We're definately splitting into two separate discussions- the first by what I meant as a soft science, the second on cosmology itself. But at least both are still somewhat interesting. I will agree that human social organizations evolve. I'll even grant you that our understandings of them evolve as we refine our conceptual models. That is how all human understanding works - we address a situation where we have incomplete understanding and slowly pick out errors and correct them. How is this a reaction to an infinite universe, and why did you bring up the infinite universe thing? How does the infinite universe relate to these being soft sciences? You suggest they are soft sciences because they employ the concept of randomness as a crutch?

      To me, that's the common denominator- hidden causes that come from elsewhere in space and time affecting what happens today. To me, that's the difference between a hard science- which depends on evidence that everybody can agree on as being objective- and a soft science- which incorporates some form of subjective data or hidden causes. The soft science is no less "true science" than the hard science is- we just don't understand all of the causes in a soft science (yet? Another interesting discussion is, by this definition, can a soft science *evolve into* a hard science? Meta levels there- wheels within wheels).

      Ah, as so many disagreements show themselves to be, I think we have a mismatch of definitions here. I'm always happy to find this, as it is typically the root of the misunderstanding. If math and high energy physics aren't hard sciences, then what do you consider hard science to be?

      Standard Newtonian physics comes close- it's based on evidence everybody can agree is objective, with no subjective beliefs or unknown causes. Another good example is chemistry- we're pretty darn sure how the 92 naturally occuring elements interact with each other now. Geology is a third- nobody can deny with the evidence there. Notice that *both* of these were indeed once soft sciences.

      Here's one definition for you: Hard science is a term used to describe certain fields of the natural sciences, usually physics, geology, chemistry, and many fields of biology. The hard sciences rely on experimental, quantifiable data or the scientific method and focus on accuracy and objectivity. The hard sciences are often contrasted with soft sciences, which by contrast have less rigor.

      That fits my definition- and I'd argue that Godel's incompleteness theorem in math, and the reliance on unknown causes in high energy physics and quantum physics, means they don't quite fit (yet? Once again- they may fit in the future).

      This definition specifically includes physics, which I take as a superset of cosmology. We could debate on math, I suppose, but the point I'm getting at here is about cosmology.

      Hmm- that's an interesting idea. Here's why I don't buy physics as a superset of Cosmology- at best they're related fields that intersect on a huge number of points, but both of which have points outside of the circle of the other. Cosmology by definition includes the begining of our universe- including the inflation problem, which happened before Planck Time, which specifically is *before* the constants many of our laws of physics are formed on existed. That's where I see the intersection of cosmology and PHILOSOPHY- before physics existed.

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  5. We need better SF by L.+VeGas · · Score: 2, Funny

    ..cosmology is now more interesting than science fiction Maybe a lot of science fiction. That's why we need a lot more SF with bitchin' rocket ship fights and purple aliens with five boobs. You know, good stuff.
  6. Cosmology by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well Tammy Fay baker certainly showed us the extreme upper limit of the field. Or are we talking about something else?

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  7. Re:Hegel figured it out by alienmole · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Which of course makes humans important. Funny how it always works seems to work out that way.

  8. Solved, still problem continues. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did not read the linked article. Seems to have been slashdotted. Wonder if he wrote, "I have a truly remarable solution for cosmology, unfortunately this website is too small to write down".

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  9. Heathen by benhocking · · Score: 3, Informative

    God created the world in 6 days. He rested on the 7th. (What? You think it was easy?!?)

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    1. Re:Heathen by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

      He rested on the 7th.

      Bill Lumbergh: Ahh, I'm going to have to go ahead and ask you to come in on Sunday, too...

  10. Why religion works by alienmole · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps you've hit on one of the ways that religion is an asset from an evolutionary biology perspective. By giving nice canned answers to these unsolvable problems, you free people up to focus on things that are more directly relevant to their survival.

    Any pre-religion cavemen who were sitting around wondering where we all came from probably either starved or got eaten pretty quickly...

    1. Re:Why religion works by alienmole · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem is intelligence. Unrestricted intelligence is difficult for natural selection to control, since it's so malleable. A moth with a hardwired reaction to fly towards a light source doesn't stop and think to itself, "hey, should I really be doing this?" as it flies towards a lit 300W halogen bulb. However, if you gave a moth intelligence, that questioning would suddenly become an option. Intelligent moths might still feel a hardwired compulsion to fly towards light sources, but they'd also be able to question it, and you'd get fewer accidental suicide-by-frying in the moth community. But you'd also get moths starting to wonder about life, the universe, and everything, which can be a big distraction.

      If religion enhances a group's survival for the reasons I gave, that would help explain the establishment and continued hold of religion. However, because humans are intelligent, new humans always have the option of questioning and rejecting religion, even if (for the sake of argument) they have some kind of hardwired predilection towards religion. (Theologians would talk about free will here.) Now that our societies can support people who are only very indirectly involved in the group's survival, devoting what would otherwise be valuable "survival time" to pondering such topics becomes viable.

    2. Re:Why religion works by mapkinase · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am surprised your insightful post got modded up.

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  11. the answer... (obligatory) by donut1005 · · Score: 3, Funny

    42?

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  12. Not Cosmotology? by Ikcor · · Score: 2, Funny

    Damn, I was hoping for makeup tips.

  13. Leave him alone. by iknownuttin · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Well some "scientists" will tell you that they are smarter than God. These same ones know that it takes man thousands of hours to build a computer (which is a joke compared to even the brain of something as simple as a bumblebee), but the human brain evolved from a rock. I wonder how they are going to explain a bunch of the population of the world disappearing all at once, scotty beamed them all up? LOL


    Well some "scientists" will tell you that they are smarter than God.
    I'm sure a few may have implied that - I can't disagree with that - IMHO- as a Physics major.

    These same ones know that it takes man thousands of hours to build a computer (which is a joke compared to even the brain of something as simple as a bumblebee), but the human brain evolved from a rock.

    I don't understand. I think that god used Evolution as His tool. And He made all living creatures over Billions of Years. Using the timeline of God, we humans will ALWAYS be insignificant.

    I wonder how they are going to explain a bunch of the population of the world disappearing all at once, scotty beamed them all up?

    I am sorry. I do not understand .... unless, you are joking and making a reference to the Simpsons cartoon! Then, I understand!

    No sir,
    If you are serious with your argument, God is greater than science. Meaning, science is one explanation of God's will. There is no conflict.

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    1. Re:Leave him alone. by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some day I'd dearly love to know how religious whackos can have so little knowledge of science, and yet have the hubris to lecture others on it.

      And, and as for your end times nonsense, Christians have predicting "it's right around the corner" since the 1st century. Just how many times can the apocalyptic crowd keep predicting it before everyone finally says "You know what, you're full of shit. Go away and quit bothering us with cheap threats."

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    2. Re:Leave him alone. by s.bots · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So many things have fallen into place coinciding with the predictions of revelation that it has got to be SCARY for a nonbeliever. If I don't believe, why should I be scared? That's like saying that if you don't believe that I am supreme ruler of the Universe, you should be exremely afraid of me.
  14. Lame headline by Pigeon451 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's like saying "Math has been solved". Wow, that's terrific!! Thanks for the tip.

  15. Science Fiction by ushering05401 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will always be more interesting IMO. It is the human element (emotional, political, and intellectual) that dictates our advancement of research, application of technology, and willingness to integrate new understandings of our universe into the social fabric through education.

    The human element is what separates a good science fiction story from an excercise in mental masturbation. On many occasions a solid sci-fi short or novella (my preferred lengths) have helped me gain a new angle on modern day issues.

    While religious fervor is a huge culprit in the scisms developing in modern society (I only can speak for the American communities I am familiar with), it should be noted that many scientists spurn the importance of popularizers like Sagan. If anything we need more focus on making scientific progress a matter accesible to non-scientists who otherwise have access only to religious cosmologies.

    Presenting new science in layman's terms does not have to = dumbing the information down. Good science fiction can accomplish this.

    Regards.

  16. the day that any field is not funded (NOT EXACTLY) by neurocutie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While in principle, I agree with most of what you are trying to say, though I don't understand why you say that a thoroughly known science becomes sci-fi...

    But in practice there are many fields, that while questions remain, the field itself has become very stagnant because, quite frankly, there isn't a whole lot of new and exciting knowledge or conceptualization to be done. Consider, for example, that nearly all of the Human Anatomy departments of US medical schools have either folded, or, more usually, mutated into something else, like departments of Cell and/or Developmental Biology. Its not because there aren't new findings in anatomy, nor new unanswered questions, and certainly not because human anatomy isn't taught anymore (every med student still needs to know it), but rather there really isn't enough new knowledge in anatomy per se, to warrant a continuing academic dept, or new faculty, or new graduate students -- we/they/the field has MOVED ON to related, but different branches of science.

    You can also ask the question another way: Do we, as a society, ever learn/understand enough about a field of inquiry that we no longer deem it wise to continue funding and using precious resources to further vigorous inquiry, instead of moving on to other, more promising, less well understood fields of inquiry ? Well the answer from the NIH, the NSF, the private foundations, the university, the scientists, the Congress, etc, etc is most certain YES.

  17. you're wrong by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    #1: it's probably infinite, but even if it's not

    #2: human behavior is emergent phenomenon, it's not set in stone. it makes new stuff, it fucks with the status quo, requiring mankind to develop a new understanding of things that are newly opened avenues of investigation

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  18. This Sounds Familiar by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Didn't scientists say just before the discovery of quantum mechanics that nature had been pretty much figured out and the rest was just details?

    I wish I could RTFA. Does his list include solving the Slashdotting Effect?

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  19. I love this stuff! by DAtkins · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I love this stuff so much! Arguing with an American Christian is like arguing with a illiterate about Shakespeare. They have both read about the same amount of the book they profess to know so much about.

    God says man's sin created death.

    Right, and what was man's sin again? Oh yeah, it was eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. God got mad and said, since you now know good and evil, I shall punish you and all of your descendants. But, ummm, if man didn't know good and evil prior to eating from the tree - how was he supposed to know it was wrong? Sure, God told him not to, but he didn't know that doing something he was told not to do was wrong. The inconstancy starts from the first book...

    It's similar to the idea that "Christ came to save you"! Save you from what? He's here to save you from God! Well that's just swell. You'd think the guy who created the world in 6 days could have come up with a better way of "saving" humanity from himself than having a guy tortured and killed.

    Yep, I know these aren't original points. Yep, I know I'm never going to sway a true believer with them either. I just like to point this out occasionally so other non-believing boot quakers like myself can have a nice laugh.

    So many things have fallen into place coinciding with the predictions of revelation that it has got to be SCARY for a nonbeliever.

    Right, because the Black Plague and World War 2 proved that if things are going bad, the end MUST be near! It must be fun to be in a doomsday cult!
  20. "pendantic" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    To be pendantic

    To be pedantic , it's spelled p-e-d-a-n-t-i-c.

  21. The 7 Full Proof Steps to Cosmology by ac3boy · · Score: 2, Funny

    1) Always ask what kind of party your client is going too.

    2) Never use to much base. Less = More.

    3) When styling the hair, get constant input from your client on the progress.

    4) Lipstick should always be applied with a brush.

    5) To much rouge can make anyone whorish.

    6) Eyeliner should be applied liberally up until you see the first signs of clumping.

    7) Finally, always be positive, even if you make a mistake. They always look fabulous!!!

  22. Read again what he wrote by benhocking · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We have a version of the Bible that is almost 2,000 years old (Dead Sea Scrolls). It hasn't changed much in the last 2,000 years. From the GP's post, I have no idea if he's a Christian. He's just pointing out that a lot of Biblical scholars are well aware of any apparent contradictions, and already have explanations for all of them.

    My least favorite "gotcha" is when people try to claim that the Bible calculates pi to be 3. They don't seem to be able to understand that "round" and "perfect circle" do not mean the same thing. Anyways, the GP is right. Whether or not you're a Christian (I'm not), you're not going to find any "new" contradictions in the Bible. However, that doesn't mean you won't be able to make others aware of contradictions that they didn't know exist. Personally, I'm of mixed feelings on this. On one hand, most fundamentalism is anathema to science. OTOH, à la Kurt Vonnegut (who is now in Heaven), I do not wish to deprive others of their religious beliefs.

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    1. Re:Read again what he wrote by thelandp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I do not wish to deprive others of their religious beliefs.

      If someone believed in leprechauns, would you not want to change this belief if you could? Why should we treat religion differently than any other belief in the supernatural?

      Religion has somehow managed to achieve a special status where we are discouraged from applying normal conversation against it, for no other reason that because it is "disrespectful". It is almost unique in that sense. If the same status was applied to a politician, that would be called a totalitarian regime.

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  23. Forget starships.... by jabber · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why does God need a belly-button?

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  24. Confused much? by benhocking · · Score: 2, Informative

    So, what was Gutenberg printing in 1454 if the Bible was only constructed 140 years ago? The Synod of Hippo in 393 CE is when the the New Testament became canon. The gospels and letters that make up that canon are generally thought to be written in the 1st and 2nd centuries.

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  25. absolutely 100% dead wrong by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the universe is not static. we, ourselves, human beings, are proof that the unvierse can result in some very strange unforeseen developments: parts of space aware of itself, and aware of its surroundings, and actively seeking to mold it

    if you don't understand how fundamentally weird just our existence is in the universe, you don't grasp the really weird potential for what we might do (if we don't kill ourselves or meet with a killer asteroid in the next few cneturies before we get off this planet)

    you lack imagination

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  26. Re:the answer... (obligatory) by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Think of a number. Any number.

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  27. Wow. Selective reading much? by Valdrax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Deuteronomy 13:6-10
    ...
    So, yes, a true Christian is absolutely *required* to murder any close friend or relative who points out that their god is an idiotic delusion and they should grow up and start dealing with reality.


    This is a fine example of taking quotes out of context in a subject matter one is unfamiliar with and is biased against. Perhaps you should look instead to John 8:1-11, the tale of the adultress where the Pharisees drag a woman accused of adultery before Jesus to demand that she be stoned in accordance with Deuteronomy 22:22. However, Jesus instead responds, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone." When they leave in shame, he asks the woman if any still codemn her, and when she responsds that no one does, then he says, "Then neither do I condemn you, go now and sin no more."

    There are many sections of the New Testament where portions of the Old Testament are reinterpreted or refuted. The food laws in Deuteronomy 14 are openly repealed in Acts 10. The mandate to stone to all breakers of the law is replaced by a message of forgiveness and redemption. To miss out on that is to wholly and completely miss the entire point of the gospel of Jesus. This is beyond twisting a few statements here and there. This is a blatant assertion that the message of Christianity is the exact opposite of the gospel of Jesus.

    In other words: RTFB, newb. <g>

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  28. Re:God's Image by Lady+Jazzica · · Score: 2, Informative

    Right. For anyone interested, St. Thomas Aquinas wrote about this in the Summa Theologica (Ia, q. 93).

  29. In reply to your sig by mykdavies · · Score: 2, Informative

    Who the f*** decided that sentences on the Internet shall no longer be formatted with two spaces after a period?! Have you read this? http://webword.com/reports/period.html

    When you get to the end, the implication is that two spaces after a full stop began to become less common about a hundred years ago, with the invention of the Linotype machine!
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  30. Re:Wow. Selective reading much? by aethera · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the thing that always cracked me up about the "post the ten commandments in every possible corner" sect. I mean, the Old Testament is just that, the old one, and the New Testament is supposed to be "The Law 2.0" (Okay maybe convenant when Adam in Eden is Law v1.0, covenant out of Eden is 2.0, convenant with Noah 3.0, Moses 4.0 . This was a stable build, the various prophets did release upgrades and service packs, before we get the whole new God's Law 5.0: Jesus Christ Edition [If it waS ubuntu would it be Jumpin Jesus 5.0]...;) So I digress, but anyways, the 10 commandments is the old set of rules, the new rules are the Beatitudes. The first time I hear someone saying we should post "Blessed are the merciful" in a court room , "blessed are the poor" on wall street or "blessed are the peacemakers" at the Pentagon, I'll know I've met a true Christian. Poor lonely guy, I'll probably slap him on the back and buy him some coffee.