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Netflix Sued Over Fradulently Obtained Patents
An anonymous reader writes "Techdirt has a story about a new class action lawsuit against Netflix, claiming that the patents the company is using to sue Blockbuster were obtained fraudulently. Specifically, the lawsuit claims that Netflix was well aware of prior art, but did not include it in its patent filing, as required by law. The lawsuit also claims that Netflix then used these fraudulently obtained patents to scare others out of the market, in violation of antitrust law. 'Certainly, it makes for an interesting argument. Patents grant a government-backed monopoly -- which should get you around any antitrust violations. However, if that patent is obtained fraudulently, then I can see a pretty compelling claim that you've abused antitrust law. It would be interesting if other such cases start popping up (and, indeed, the lawyer who sent it to us said his firm is looking for additional patents to go after in this manner).'"
that someone found a way to sue the bejesus out of patent trolls and their BS patents...
Plenty of video games featured in-game stores with one click shopping. That should constitute prior art. Amazon knew about these but discounted them because the transactions were virtual.
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I don't care about suing people or companies, what I care about is the ambulance chacing all these friggin' vampire lawyers do.
Without lawyers I am quite certain the world be a better place.
(Before anyone starts, yes I know there are good decent lawyers who do their jobs really well who practice criminal law, not this corporate bullshit)
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"and, indeed, the lawyer who sent it to us said his firm is looking for additional patents to go after in this manner"
Forget IT, go to law school.
1) Help company get patents
2) Profit
3) Help company threaten to sue infringers
4) Profit
5) Defend company against other lawyers representing other patents
6) Profit
7) Sue other companies for bogus patents
8) Profit
Heck, even if the company they represent gets burned and goes under, they still walk away with no penalty. It's like all the financial benefits of inventing something, with out the work or risk!
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"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
While successful lawsuits of this type could result in patent reform, since having a weak patent (with clear prior art) could end up costing company's money instead of being used as corporate weapons, an instantanious problem arises.
You need to be able to prove that the company ignored prior art and if a case comes down to two people saying different things the courts will generally find in favor of the defendant.
I can see it now:
Lawyer 1: "You knew about the prior art before you filed for the patent because your secretary told me so!"
Defendant: "No I didn't!"
Judge: "Case dismissed"
In order for this cases to be sucessful, hard evidence needs to found (i.e. an e-mail saying "Lets ignore the prior art"). Otherwise the only ones who will win are the lawyers (as always).
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If netflix did in fact obtain those patents fraduently then they deserve to pay for it. I know if this class action lawsuit results in a loss for netflix that the lawyers will get the lions share of the money which sucks, but at least netflix will have to pay for their wrong doing and other companies may think twice before doing something similar.
I guess since the entity that I want to "pay up" isn't Microsoft, the RIAA, or the MPAA the mods decided to mod me offtopic. Whatever...
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Even as a person who has used Netflix for years now and absolutely love their service, I can say that if this is true they should be nailed to the wall over it. This is the sort of Patent System BS that must not be allowed to stand if we are to maintain our technology superiority as a country.
It's said that no great idea ever comes out of nowhere. All of the greats stood of the shoulders of giants. However, if people get it into their head to abuse the patent system like this, then there will be no shoulders to stand on and in the end no great achievements.
I read the internet for the articles.
Instead of invalidating software patents, we could shorten their term to a reasonable period (two or three years generally ensures obsolescence for most software products), and drastically expand the criteria against which a particular software patent is judged invalid. Would that not be at least a workable compromise?
What is is all that is. Isn't that obvious?
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IANAL, but...
Isn't there a positive obligation to investigate prior art before filing. Just like you have a positive obligation to keep your walkway free of ice, protect children from attracive nuiscences and pay your taxes?
Wait, I have a car analogy too! If you're driving your car, and you close your eyes and speed through every stop sign, then shouldn't you still be ticketed (AFAIK, not seeing a stop sign is a legitimite, although difficult to prove, defense. But I'm not very sure as I made up the fact for my car analogy as required by Slashdot bylaw 22.45.b)
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So I imagine then that you would want the number of patent examiners increased even further, or the criteria for rejection broadened?
What is is all that is. Isn't that obvious?
I just can't see a judge buying it; these people all paid for Netflix's service at the asking price voluntarily.
You miss the point. That the customers signed up "voluntarily" is not the issue, it's that had Netflix not been engaged in their anti-competitive behaviour, then the prices that were paid _could_ have been lower. The reason customers signed up was that there was no alternative but to sign up with Netflix to receive that type of service. Kind of like the case where people voluntarily purchased PC's with Windows pre-installed, they didn't do it because they liked paying the "Windows tax", for the most part they simply had no choice.
That has got to be the weakest attempt to extort money I've ever read. If you read the claims in the complaint, essentially the amblance-chasers are trying to attack Netflix not by invalidating the patents, but by arguing that the patents are invalid and therefore Netflix is guilty of abusing monopoly power given to it (by the existence of patents that the complaint contends are invalid).
That's pretty weeak. Looks like they're going for extortion and to certify a class all in one shot. Amazing. Only in the 9th Circuit could something like this be perpetrated.
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Yes. I have a cousin who is a patent officer in Canada (and we have some stimulating discussions on patent-related subjects when we see eachother), which I imagine is at least somewhat similar to being a patent examiner in the US. I also have a close friend who is a patent lawyer, though we don't talk about that stuff much because it bums out all our other friends.
But still, there are so many things being patented, in such esoteric fields, that even smart people with training in related fields or tangential field or whatever don't have the technical knowledge to grasp the subject at hand, or -- and this is pretty important -- don't have a way to access the information that would give them a better grasp of it.
I mean, you're probably not a dumb guy, but imagine yourself presented with a sheaf of materials that you only vaguely know about from college five years ago. It's written in technical language that, even though broken down as much as it can be, is still pretty arcane. How are you going to judge if that patent application represents something truly innovative, something truly worth granting a patent for?
We can all say, "Well, they should know," but that's much harder said than done. Another problem is that the people truly qualified to judge the patent's worthiness are often very expensive people. While the patent office may pay a lot of money to their examiners, they still don't, as far as I am aware, pay as well as private industry.
What is is all that is. Isn't that obvious?
A method of placing an order for an item comprising: under control of a client system, displaying information identifying the item; and in response to only a single action being performed, sending a request to order the item along with an identifier of a purchaser of the item to a server system; under control of a single-action ordering component of the server system, receiving the request; retrieving additional information previously stored for the purchaser identified by the identifier in the received request; and generating an order to purchase the requested item for the purchaser identified by the identifier in the received request using the retrieved additional information; and fulfilling the generated order to complete purchase of the item whereby the item is ordered without using a shopping cart ordering model.
It's called cookies. The fact that they could implement it without a custom browser proves prior art. After all, this exact type of transaction (remote key allows for local association of customer's data; server's perspective) was the inspiration for cookies. In other words, the prior art is anyone that ever wrote a web page that used cookies. Everything else from that point is obvious.
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