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What's the Matter with HDMI?

mrnomas writes with a link to the Audioholics site, which wonders why the HDMI standard is such a mess? The article's author suggests that the format was designed for the benefit of the content-producers and not the consumer. The result is a signal that's hard to route and switch, as well and unnecessarily complicated cable assemblies. They reach back to the DVI standard to see what might be done to make HDMI a little more consumer-friendly, with numerous technical elements woven through the discussion. "DVI lacked a couple of things which the consumer audio/video industry wanted. It was implemented on a variety of HD displays and source devices, but it was confusing for the consumer because of the many variants on the standard and different connector configurations, and it didn't carry audio signals. A consortium to develop and promote a new interface, HDMI, was formed; the idea was to come up with a standard which could be implemented more uniformly, was less confusing, and offered the option of routing audio signals along with video."

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  1. what might be done? by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...what might be done to make HDMI a little more consumer-friendly?
    Drop the DRM.

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  2. HDMI by ynososiduts · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I always considered HDMI a anti-consumer,DRM laden, proprietary, and expensive USB cord. What's wrong with DVI? It's more compatible and I don't believe it requires any licensing to use in a product. So I ask you again, what is wrong with DVI? Why is everyone so HDMI-centric?

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    1. Re:HDMI by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I never understood the need for putting the video and audio in the same cable. The video signal wants to go to the screen, and the audio signal wants to go to the amplifier. Why does having to run the audio signal into the screen and then out again help me in any way?

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    2. Re:HDMI by Lehk228 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      because a huge number of screens also have speakers in them, and those speakers are used in place of a more expensive sound system.

      if a sound system is used, it's still better to route the signal through the TV so you can control the volume with the same remote as the TV.


      personally i would prefer a communication standard so the TV could tell the amp to lower or raise volume, and the sterio could send a menu interface to the TV for controls, but that will probably never happen since every manufacturere will want to do it "their" way.

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    3. Re:HDMI by Logic+Bomb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Many HDMI cables will not be routed to a TV. They'll be routed to a receiver, which acts as a convenient switch for multiple video/audio sources. Many people who are buying HD TVs probably have a DVD player, a video game system, a digital cable box, and who knows what else. With audio and video on the same cable, each component needs only a single cable to the receiver.

  3. DRM it is. by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...see what might be done to make HDMI a little more consumer-friendly

    The first thing that needs to be done is to create legislation that makes DRM illegal. This would remove the threat that HDMI poses to other technologies (such as component) and force it to compete on technical merit. Not to mention solve a lot of other consumer issues.

    The second thing to be done - obviously - is make a single standard and stick to it; however that requires cooperation among the manufacturers and seems unlikely at best. Still, we can always ask them nicely, and follow up by voting with our wallets.

    HDMI has been a nightmare for me. I started out with a hi-def (I thought) component video system, fully capable of 1080p bandwidth-wise and full of switching capabilities I liked and thought could take me quite some distance down the road; then the collusion between manufacturers not to provide full hi-def on component, but only on HDMI, came about, and there went that investment out the window. That system can only do 720p now (I find 1080i to be useless - part of the point was to get RID of flicker) and it lives in my basement. I had to re-buy my theater system, invest in a bunch of new cabling to reproduce signal routing I already had in place that was perfectly adequate, technically speaking... man. That was one irritating evolution.

    Also, I have yet to see a single home theater receiver that has a reasonable number of HDMI inputs. HD-DVD. Blue-ray. PS3. a new XBox 360. A computer. A camera. That's six, even if you only have one of each. And you need lots of component, S-Video and composite inputs with up-conversion; as well as standard audio, coaxial digital and optical digital... just because HDMI canwant it to. There are plenty of older tech gadgets out there that could still be very reasonable assets to such a system but need other types of inputs. So far, typically you find 2 or 3 HDMI inputs on a higher end theater system.

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  4. HDMI, HD-DVD, and BluRay... by rthille · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are all dead to me. That's right, they skipped right past being put "on notice".

    Get rid of the DRM, work out a _single_ rational standard for the cables and the disks, and I _might_ be interested in HDTV. Until then, I'll just keep ignoring it and pay attention to the _content_, rather than the presentation.

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  5. Re:As a manufacturer of Video Distribution by JohnnyComeLately · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yep, you hit the nail straight on the head. I laugh at the amount of money wasted, but it's all marketing. The best example my marketing professor gave me was toothpaste. Go look at a supermarket aisle for toothpaste. You've got about 3 or 4 DOZEN brands of the same stuff....some has crystals, other baking soda, but it's all just paste.

    At home depot there's simple example of what you describe. Look at the 2 conductor, 16 or 18 gauge lamp cord. Now look at the 2 conductor, 16 or 18 speaker wire. Huge difference in price. It's still copper stranded wire of the same quality and I'd almost argue the insulation is BETTER for the cheaper lamp cord.

    I have always known it, but I had the advantage of growing up with an avionics mechanic. My dad wired planes for AA for over 37 years before retiring. He told me how small a gauge it took to reliable send signals all over a huge aircraft and meet strict FAA specs...so I quickly figured out (plus he'd laugh at the money I wasted as a teenager in the car audio scene) it was overkill. If you can ARC weld with 0 gauge, you really don't need it for your 500 watt stereo amp.
  6. Fiber by markdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The simple fact is that the ONLY choice for HD digital video transmission SHOULD have been fiber optic:

    1) With two fibers in a cable, there would be more than enough bandwidth for 1080P + digital surround sound. It is future proof.
    2) It is fully bidirectional, which can be useful for error correction or detection, or for signal confirmation, or perhaps for two-way audio/video.
    3) It can operate at great distance.
    4) The cables would be FAR cheaper than the extremely complex and expensive DVI/HDMI cables.
    5) With serial transmissions over a single pair, the encoding could be changed at any point in the future for different formats.

    Let's look at the author's problems with twisted pairs and what it would mean with optical:

    1) Time- not a problem, because it is all serial
    2) Resistance: fiber has none
    3) Skin effect: fiber has none
    4) Capacitance: fiber has none
    5) Impedance: fiber has none
    6) Crosstalk: fiber has none
    7) Inductance: fiber has none

    Lets add

    8) RFI: fiber has none
    9) Signal leak (causing potential interference with OTHER devices): fiber has none
    10) Cable thickness: fiber would be 6+ times narrower and easier to route and hide
    11) Connector size: perhaps 4 times smaller with fiber? (Think handhelds, laptops, etc)

    When I first saw DVI, I thought the designers had gone insane. WHO CARES about analog signals? We already have PLENTY of cable standards for that (VGA, Component, SVideo, Composite)! It looks tremendously complex and overkill to relay a stream of information THAT IS ALREADY being delivered serially over the air, from DVD's, from tuners, from ANY source. Then they "fixed" it with HDMI?? Right- make the connector IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to ever make their own or repair, add audio, and ignore all other issues (oh, and the cable costs are even more expensive than the already expensive DVI). Then to have to throw "dual link" into the mess because the "standard" set of over a dozen wires doesn't have enough bandwidth...

    About the only negative with fiber is that you can't kink the cable and expect it to survive. I say "small price to pay". Oh well, maybe the next revision they will wake up??

  7. what might you do? by gd23ka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't buy anything with DRM on it. Let their accountants do your talking.
    Don't hack anything with DRM on it. Don't help other people watch their crap for free.
    Don't watch anything with DRM on it. Make them afraid of losing mind share.

    Instead: Watch DRM wither and die.