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New Form of Matter Melds Lasers, Superconductors

sterlingda writes "Physicists at the University of Pittsburgh have demonstrated a new form of matter that melds the characteristics of lasers and superconductors. The work introduces a new method of moving energy from one point to another as well as a low-energy means of producing a light beam like that from a laser. The new state is a solid filled with a collection of energy particles known as 'polaritons' that have been trapped and slowed using a technique similar to that used to produce a Bose-Einstein condensate. The work is published in the May 18 issue of Science (subscription required to read beyond the abstract)."

113 comments

  1. Woohoo... by d3m0nCr4t · · Score: 5, Funny

    Again one step closer to that lightsaber. :)

    1. Re:Woohoo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      and one giant leap away from having a girlfriend. :)

    2. Re:Woohoo... by JordanL · · Score: 1

      Or the kinds of weapons we see in Star Wars and Star Trek. Sounds a lot like blasters (solid "chunks" of laser) phasers (variably interacts as a solid or laser) and shields to me.

    3. Re:Woohoo... by sweetlipsbutterhoney · · Score: 1

      How do you get a one-armed polariton out of a tree?

    4. Re:Woohoo... by cshark · · Score: 1

      Again one step closer to that lightsaber. :) Or a phaser. Let's just hope it comes with a stun setting.
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    5. Re:Woohoo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a girlfriend. She doesn't know she is my friend but we have the best time together.

    6. Re:Woohoo... by Tofystedeth · · Score: 1

      solid-Snoke and his colleagues captured the polaritons Sounds like a video game to me. What do they pay these scientists for anyway?
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  2. Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not trying to troll, but I really fear that all such experiments should be delayed until after humanity moved over to other planets so that any black hole accidents resulting from desire to get a Nobel Prize or just extra funding won't kill us all but only those involved in them.

    1. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by sentientbeing · · Score: 4, Funny

      Fucking Luddite. Out of my way. If they ever start selling mini black holes on ThinkGeek im first in line.

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    2. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by RelaxedTension · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Problem being, they have to do these experiments to get us off of the planet in the first place...

    3. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by SP33doh · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      troll? no.

      uninformed? yes!

    4. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Pad-Lok · · Score: 1

      You are 100% sure about that? Willing to take the risk? It's a frigging black hole we are talking about, so nobody knows what would really happen if one got created. Then nobody really knows if there actually exists such things as black holes. Its all speculation at the moment.

      Again, if it evaporates through Hawking Radiation unexpectedly slowly, so it can catch extra mass from anything, then we are screwd.

      IANAS so corrections to my fears are welcome.

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    5. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Caffeinate · · Score: 1

      If they ever start selling mini black holes on ThinkGeek im first in line. Wow. That takes me back a few years. I remember reading a sci-fi short story (who's name/author I've long forgotten) about a kid who had a black hole kit - basically the future version of Sea Monkeys. It was in some kind of container and it had to be "fed" sand every day so it could become more and more supermassive and remain stable. After a certain period of time you were meant to stop "feeding" it and let it disappear over time via Hawking radiation. Of course this kid continued to feed it and it inevitably sucks in the container surrounding it and the entire planet in short course.

      A pretty good story actually - if anybody recalls the author or the collection it was in, I'd love to know.
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    6. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://doc.cern.ch/yellowrep/2003/2003-001/p1.pdf
      This paper concludes that there's "no basis for any conceivable threat" from microscopic black holes and other suggested dangers.

    7. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Pretty sure. After all, cosmic rays produce collisions more energetic than those in any particle accelerator, so if the accelerators could produce any micro black holes capable of swallowing up the Earth, the sun would have got there first. Demonstrably, we're not inside an event horizon, so there you go.

    8. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by DAtkins · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nah, you don't need to worry. This is a special class of micro black holes that exist more on the quantum level, so they behave differently. There isn't enough mass on Earth (probably in the solar system) to create a black hole of the sort that would give you a really bad day. It's sort of like our fusion experiments... without enough mass for the reaction to power itself through gravity, they aren't naturally self-sustaining. These micro black holes don't have the mass to influence anything or to exist without continuous energy input.

    9. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No black hole related experiments!
      Do you want to be conquered by Giant Enemy Crabs? Don't you remember what happened to the Androsynth?

    10. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by HappyEngineer · · Score: 1

      I don't think it works like that. Big black holes like the one at the center of the galaxy were made by lots of mass crushing together until it bent space enough to become a black hole.

      But, it's the mass that's dangerous, not the black-hole-ness. If you create a black hole without the mass then what's going to pull stuff past the schwarzschild radius? If it has the mass of a few atoms that were crushed together to form a black hole, nothing else could get close enough to it to become part of the black hole unless you used a particle accelerator to smash more particles into the hole.

      Does anyone know what sort of special properties mini black holes have? I know they certainly wouldn't just suck the whole earth into them, but I'm wondering if they somehow have other new properties that they didn't have before. Do they have any magnetic properties which differ from the properties of the component atoms? Given their microscopic size (they're just made of a small number of atoms smashed together), wouldn't they just evaporate right away?

    11. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try this website. I hear it's really good.

      http://www.google.com/

    12. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neville Chamberlain had a piece of paper that assured everyone that there'd be no war in Europe....

    13. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Humanity can not create a black hole considering the energy involved, but let we consider we can. Do you think having a black hole instead of Mars, or anywhere else in our solar system, would make our chance of survival anywhere better then if created right here on Earth?

    14. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by paleo2002 · · Score: 1

      Problem being, they have to do these experiments to get us off of the planet in the first place...

      The other side of that coin is that the one thing that would really, really motivate space colonization efforts would be a planet-killing disaster. And, no, global warming is not a planet-killing disaster. Just ask the mosasaurs that used to live in Kansas.

    15. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Caffeinate · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tell you what, you tell me the query to type in and I'll do it.

      Ya sarcastic bastard.

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    16. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Yes, considering a black hole the size of mars would simply act exactly as mars did gravitationally. The only difference would be that any object that would normally have hit mars would instead be sucked into the black hole's event horizon. This assumes I understand current theory correctly, but i think I'm right.

    17. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Pooua · · Score: 1
      Actually, our Universe could be inside the event horizon of a black hole. What is more, as the Universe spreads, the rate of retreat increases; eventually, objects retreat fast enough that light cannot travel between them. It has been speculated that in several billion years, our local group of galaxies will find itself alone, forever isolated from the galaxies we see today.

      Anyway, as for cosmic rays creating black holes, you might have a look at: Physical Review Online Archive Physical Review Online Archive: Black Hole Production by Cosmic Rays

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    18. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Pooua · · Score: 1

      "Given their microscopic size (they're just made of a small number of atoms smashed together), wouldn't they just evaporate right away?"

      In 10^-42 seconds, according to this article: A black hole ate my planet

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    19. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Problem being, they have to do these experiments to get us off of the planet in the first place...


      I really don't see what mucking about with colliders has to do with enabling colonisation. We don't need warp drive to colonise the moon.

      At this point, extraterrestrial colonisation is more a matter of logistics, resources and willpower than it is a gap in scientific knowledge.
    20. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And he would have been right if people didn't get uptight about Poland.

      Besides, last I checked the paper didn't say Hitler would evaporate from Hawking radiation.

    21. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by ColaMan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Yeah, but the cost of shipping will be a bitch.

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    22. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by SunTzuWarmaster · · Score: 1

      Someone has already mentioned using laser-controlled fission/fusion with this laser that requires significantly less power. Cheaper, lighter power = more and longer burn times for spacecraft = more acceleration = get to other planets quicker (in on lifetime, maybe).

    23. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by LastStandingFootman · · Score: 1

      Read Hyperion by Dan Simmons. that wont happen until there is some good AI with a very evil plan to destroy humanity.

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    24. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by arbitraryaardvark · · Score: 1

      Problem being, they have to do these experiments to get us off of the planet in the first place...
      That's Bezos. He said Bozos. I had to read it twice myself.

      http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/050701_bezos_ plans.html

      One method of propulsion for spacecraft is to push them with lasers.
      The advantages include not having to carry fuel with you.
      I don't have enough of a handle on this new state of matter thingy to know if it's useful for that, but worth looking into further.

      Is tfa claiming a 7th state of matter, where currently we have solid liquid gas plasma and two other kinds of rarely seen plasmas (earth water air fire thing 1 and thing 2)?

      Obligatory: sharks....

    25. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by sentientbeing · · Score: 1

      Yes. They charge by weight. - The cost is 'Astronomical'..

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    26. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by DeadChobi · · Score: 1

      Actually, black holes emit energy, so there is no chance of this happening whatsoever. The black holes formed in particle acceleration experiments dissipate within a fraction of a fraction of a tiny fraction of an even smaller fraction of a much smaller fraction of a miniscule fraction of a second.

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    27. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by elucido · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows humans arent supposed to make it off the planet. God says so.
      Instead, learn to profit while we destroy ourselves and planet earth and forget about spacewars.

    28. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by elucido · · Score: 1


      A black hole is just one of the many ways we might destroy the earth.
      Face it, self destruction, and destroying the earth, is too profitable to stop.

      In 100 years, when there are no more humans left, or just a few hundred thousand, this is when humans can talk about going into space.

    29. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without FTL an interstellar voyage within a person's lifetime isn't happening.

    30. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by kalirion · · Score: 1

      We don't know the physics of black holes well enough to know what tiny variable change might keep it from evaporating.

    31. Re:Bozos will blow up this planet one day by kalirion · · Score: 1

      Yes, considering a black hole the size of mars would simply act exactly as mars did gravitationally. The only difference would be that any object that would normally have hit mars would instead be sucked into the black hole's event horizon. This assumes I understand current theory correctly, but i think I'm right.

      A black hole the mass of mars would act the same way as mars gravitationally. A black hole the size of mars would doom us all.

  3. Circus physics by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 0, Troll

    demonstrated a new form of matter that melds the characteristics of lasers and superconductors Over the last ten years I've watched the news releases about physics--and it seems that physics is wh0ring itself out just for news headlines. The population doesn't get excited about higher order mathematics, spheroidal harmonics, oscilloscopes, or statistical s very well. A new form of matter, though, why that's something we should put on the front page!

    Did they really demonstrate a new form of matter? What did we have at one time? Solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. We could have mixtures of the forms--like a suspension was a fine mixture of a liquid with a gas. I'm not seeing much in this article, though, which necessitates the material which they've created as being a new form of matter.

    They've saturated a solid with a form of energy called "polaritons". Did anyone stop to think, oh, maybe fifteen years back, that maybe the conceptual m0del of a photon just needs a little brushing up? People thought that an atom was plum pudding at one time. We didn't end up with a million different atoms, atomitons, atomites, and gluoneoatomiquarks. Once the of the atom was refined well enough it has stayed, for the greatest part, the same atom.

    I think the community should spend some time combining these polaritons, and fermions, and gluons, and quarks, and mesons, and bosons, all together with photons. It would probably make much of the math a lot simpler.

    Granted, though, the headline news releases wouldn't be quite as dramatic. Physics isn't supposed to be caked with drama. That's what the rest of society is for. Let them keep it. Drama sucks.
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    1. Re:Circus physics by Victor+Tramp · · Score: 0

      Well i for one welcome our new polariton drama queens!

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    2. Re:Circus physics by MadUndergrad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good luck combining fermions with photons. Photons are very much a type of boson, which means they're very much _not_ fermions. Perhaps the biologists should just combine mitochondria and chromosomes too, you know, to simplify the math?

    3. Re:Circus physics by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      You're telling me that fermions are not subatomic bundles of energy?

      Quote from Wikipedia on fermions: "Therefore fermions are usually related with matter while bosons are related with radiation, though the separation between the two is not clear in quantum physics"

      Oh wait. I just saw your handle. You're still an undergrad. You'll understand eventually if you keep at it though most people quit even before they reach your level of ignorance.

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    4. Re:Circus physics by goarilla · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the biologists should just combine mitochondria and chromosomes too
      why not they're all just thingies in our innies, no ? :D
    5. Re:Circus physics by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This business with polaritons in semiconductors sounds a lot like the way phonons in crystal lattices work.

      A phonon is a sort of derived particle. It isn't a fundamental particle in itself but it represents a quantized mode of vibration in a lattice of more fundamental particles. But as a quasiparticle it exhibits the same types of behavior as other particles subject to quantum mechanics.

      Their classical analogue would be standing waves in a crystal lattice. These lose part of their classical wave-like character and become more particle-like when the vibrational energy in the crystal decreases to near zero. The vibrational energy at extremely low temperatures takes the form of a few phonons bouncing around in the crystal like free particles in a hollow box. Phonons are ultimately responsible for all conduction of sound and heat through solids.

      A polariton is apparently the coupling of a photon with one of these, and they're claiming to have gotten interesting collective behavior. I'm not sure if this is a "new state of matter" but we may get some cool toys out of it.

    6. Re:Circus physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is really one of the most ignorant posts I've seen.

      The community "should spend some time" combining photons, fermions, gluons etc. because "it would probably make much of the math a lot simpler."

      Ever heard of string theory? The community has been spending an ENORMOUS amount of time trying to combine this things into a common picture. And trust me - it doesn't make the math simpler. Just ask Ed Witten.

    7. Re:Circus physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come off of it. The only thing that can make bosons and fermions "like" eachother is supersymmetry. That's never even been demonstrated (though widely suspected).

    8. Re:Circus physics by ElScorcho · · Score: 2, Informative

      You want "polaritons, and fermions, and gluons, and quarks, and mesons, and bosons, all together with photons". Tell you what, I'll get right on that. After all, it's only a matter of coming up with a Grand Unified Theory, and how hard could that possibly be? Why hasn't anyone taken this simple step yet? How could we, the physics community, have overlooked such an obvious solution to the problem of proliferating subatomic particles?

      It's such an easy way to win a Nobel Prize and have my name right up there with Einstein and Newton and Dirac.

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    9. Re:Circus physics by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      Phonons are ultimately responsible for all conduction of sound and heat through solids.
      I should have said this for insulators- in conductors the electrons are responsible for most conductivity.

    10. Re:Circus physics by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      We didn't end up with a million different atoms, atomitons, atomites, and gluoneoatomiquarks.
      ....
      ...these polaritons, and fermions, and gluons, and quarks, and mesons, and bosons, all together with photons.
      I find the juxtaposition of those two statements to be hysterical. The fact that they can claim to have found (yet another) "new form of matter" is just another point in the indictment of how broken the Standard Model really is. The dirty secret is that the math happens to work and give some predictive power, but that theoretically it has no more explanitory power than claiming that it's "turtles all the way down". It's (the Standard Model) comparable to "miasmas" before the introduction of germ theory, or the corpuscular theory of light.

      As for the sensationalist headlines, that's just a funding ploy.
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    11. Re:Circus physics by yoyoq · · Score: 0

      lighten up, i don't know why or what you are ranting about.
      you are complaining because research generated a headline?
      funding is hard to get, headlines help.

      also "making the math simpler" is not the point.
      explaining nature is the point, if complicated math is required
      so be it.

    12. Re:Circus physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I don't even know where to begin. You obviously don't have a good background in physics, but you like to think you do. Mod parent down.

    13. Re:Circus physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That quote was added a few days ago. It previously said they obeyed different functions, and had links to Fermi-Dirac and Bose-Einstein. Might look into reverting that.

    14. Re:Circus physics by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps the OP's sig calling for legalizing pot can shed some light...

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    15. Re:Circus physics by wass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Over the last ten years I've watched the news releases about physics--and it seems that physics is wh0ring itself out just for news headlines.

      Perhaps you should actually read the scientific journal articles if you're serious about this, instead of reading the popular reviews which are by definition "dumbed down" such that non-PhD's can understand in layman's terms what is going on.

      Did they really demonstrate a new form of matter? What did we have at one time? Solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. We could have mixtures of the forms--like a suspension was a fine mixture of a liquid with a gas.

      Did you actually read the JOURNAL article, or are you just extrapolating bullshit based on a popular science review of the actual journal article? If you actually didn't think physicists were 'whoring themselves out' your post would make you look significantly less ignorant.

      You quote liquids and gases as being two distinct forms of matter, yet they're actually the same if you look on a phase-diagram plot. So why do you list them as being two separate phases?

      Oh wait, that's right, you can go CONTINUOUSLY from liquid to gas, without any phase transition, along a proper thermodynamic trajectory of course! What makes them look like separate states of matter is whether you have a phase transition as you alter the system. And the phase-transition line (in pressure-temperature space) actually ends in a critical point (see here , such that you can choose a proper p-T trajectory either WITH or WITHOUT the phase transition.

      Would you call a superconductor a new state of matter? It certainly is quite different from the metallic state, with a well-defined phase transition as you cool below Tc. What about a Bose-Einstein Condensate? What about a phase-transition from superconducting-like nature to BEC? These have all been well studied, and all are acknowledged as states of matter.

      The fact that you question whether it's a new state of matter, and you refer merely solid, liquid, gas, and plasma without any reference to phase transitions, really shows your limited understanding of this subject. And that makes it all the more humorous that you actually go on to claim physicists are whoring themselves out.

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    16. Re:Circus physics by GanjaManja · · Score: 1

      Guess who gets all the funding in physics these days? "String theory" does pretty damn well. the more headlines you get, the more funding you get, the more research you get to do.
          Same in engineering. You gotta senstionalize it and get your funders excited about what you're doing. Then you get to do more and bring it to completion, hopefully making it usefull.

      That's what happens when the government funding dries up and you have to cater to the private sector for funding. Even the public funding agents now act more like corporations, requiring milestones and resuslts and presentations and reports every few months (as opposed to saying "Do your thing, get it working within 3 years"). So the need for headlines is a natural result, we basically have to advertise like companies fighting for contracts.
      relax boy, no need to get your undies in a twist. Undergrad or no, being a jerk makes you sound much less intelligent.

    17. Re:Circus physics by wass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sheesh, you're spewing out pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo like a half-baked Star Trek dialog, and complaining when someone calls you on your BS.

      You're telling me that fermions are not subatomic bundles of energy?

      Subatomic? Bundle of energy? What the hell are you talking about? The ONLY property that defines whether a 'particle' is a fermion or not is whether it has half-integer spin. And the word 'particle' really refers to is a quantization, which can be any quantized excitation, doesn't mean subatomic.

      Then applying the rules of Quantum Electrodynamics, a particle with well-defined half-integer spin must be anti-symmetric upon particle exchange, which leads to things like Fermi-Dirac statistics, the Pauli exclusion principle which is what makes atomic states look the way they are, etc.

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    18. Re:Circus physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Physicists don't write headlines. Journalists do. If science headlines weren't overblown, they wouldn't exist. Journalists know this. They're just doing they're job. If you want to know more about the subject, you have to research it. No amount of column inches in the popular press will give you suffiecient background to properly understand this kind of article. These articles only exist to remind the general public of the kind of thing that scientists do - that it isn't all a waste of time or magic. Furthermore, they remind physicists what biologists do, and so forth. Not a bad service, however thankless it may be.

    19. Re:Circus physics by Plutonite · · Score: 1

      Quantum electrodynamics is one of the most established, experimentally backed and well understood fields in all of science. The results from current models do not explain links to other theories very well, but in the isolated realm of their operation, they give answers with error ranges analogous to measuring the distance from here to the moon within a few millimetres of error margin.

      As for combining particles, I think they may have thought about that. In fact, most of Quantum Physics began as a manner of seeing various things in a different way, and physicists are very much in love with Einsteins "simple as possible but not simpler" paradigm. Maybe, just maybe, there is a reason why borons and quarks are different types of particle? Like you know, a really BIG, mathematically articulated reason, for which Nobel prizes were awarded? Just a thought.

    20. Re:Circus physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      String theorists aren't getting that much funding if you think about the fact that they're all theorists (by definition). A theorist is cheap, just pay a salary, some computer time, and a room with no windows. The expensive science is still experimental. Like how much does ATLAS cost?

    21. Re:Circus physics by Pooua · · Score: 1

      "Perhaps the biologists should just combine mitochondria and chromosomes too, you know, to simplify the math?"

      Funny man... cytologists don't use math!

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    22. Re:Circus physics by Prune · · Score: 1

      What a dumbass you are. State transitions don't define states of matter; many state transitions don't lead to new states of matter at all. Go back to your books.

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    23. Re:Circus physics by Prune · · Score: 1

      Obviously I meant to type phase transitions.

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    24. Re:Circus physics by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Everything nowdays goes into the media as a new kind of matter. You don't even need to use barions for that.

  4. Meta Matter matters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next up: New form of meta matter melds matter that melds Lasers, Superconductors

  5. fake science by Ep0xi · · Score: 0

    this looks like TV science to me, like a condensate of good wills against the evil inside every nature...

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  6. Polaritons? by rbrander · · Score: 1

    Somebody has to caution these guys to sound as little as possible like Star Trek lines from Geordie. I think the deflector dish was reconfigured (in minutes) to emit polaritons at least once. Also, my spell checker just flagged "polaritons" as not even being a word.

    1. Re:polaritons? by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 1

      the team of scientists researching chronoton particles has not been heard from since last tuesday...

      Shouldn't that be next tuesday?
    2. Re:polaritons? by evwah · · Score: 1

      well according to Dr. Dan Streetmentioner, they will having had been not heard from sincewise... /obscure?

    3. Re:polaritons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obscure? On Slashdot? You've got to be kidding.

    4. Re:Polaritons? by Caffeinate · · Score: 1

      I think the deflector dish was reconfigured (in minutes) to emit polaritons at least once. Of course it was; all they had to do was reverse the polarity!
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    5. Re:polaritons? by Caffeinate · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I willon on-have spoken in the Present Ultraconditional Subinverted Semi-active Past Subjunctive Deponent Aorist all the time.

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    6. Re:polaritons? by Chroniton · · Score: 1

      Sorry, those scientists were annoying me, you won't be hearing from them again. sheesh.

    7. Re:Polaritons? by mr_matticus · · Score: 1

      Of course spell checker flagged it. What part of "new state of matter" didn't process when reading TFA? Spell checkers don't magically learn new words.

      And Star Trek is just a prime example of art imitating life. Most of those words do exist in the field. They're often used incorrectly to throw around science-y sounding terms, but would they continue to do it if it didn't actually sound like scientific jargon?

    8. Re:Polaritons? by rbrander · · Score: 1

      Sigh. From the rest of the post, you might have imagined I was joking. Or maybe criticisms of a show that's been off the air for over a decade are very serious posts to some people. I am sure that many dedicated Trek fans applaud your spirited defence. I apologize unreservedly for the criticism. Please don't hurt me.

    9. Re:Polaritons? by mr_matticus · · Score: 1

      I could not possibly care less about criticisms of Star Trek. I simply assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that you were some 80s baby who didn't know that the science words came first, and that it's not a bunch of geeky scientists sitting around and naming things after random crap uttered by actors.

      I imagined you were joking, but this being Slashdot, I erred on the side of idiocy.

    10. Re:polaritons? by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 1

      The term future perfect was abandoned as it was discovered not to be.

  7. Energy Density of Polaritrons in Superfluid? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It didn't say in TFA - does anybody know how dense these polaritrons are in the superfluid? Being, apparently, energy efficient to create, I'm wondering if this would make a good energy storage device - something to run those electric cars, even. It's hard to conjecture without a clue about how tight they're packed in, though.

    I'm also pleasantly surprised to read that Bell Labs is still doing basic science - urban legend was that went out with the AT&T breakup.

    Oh, and if anybody from physorg.com is reading, there's a strange display thing going on where ", " is replaced by "-" (not even space emdash space) in many sentences, making clause boundries in the sentences appear awkwardly as pseudo-hyphenated words.

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    1. Re:Energy Density of Polaritrons in Superfluid? by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      Here are my quick thoughts. I am not a physicist however.

      It would seem to me that polaritrons would be short-lived and hence could only exist in certain conditions It would seem to me you might be able to use them for high-efficiency lasers. I don't know about superconductors though-- seems like the energy going in required to maintain the state would be a good way to negate the benefits from a superconductor....

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  8. Editor Foo! by coyote4til7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A form of matter with the properties of a laser? Does that mean E=mc2 still holds or is this the form of matter that ghosts are made out, allowing a person's hand to pass through the matter when it's in a low energy state? Or _perhaps_ it was supposed to say something along the lines of "properties of substances that are used to generate lasers"?

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    1. Re:Editor Foo! by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, they meant with the properties of a laser [beam]. The polaritons are coherent when they're confined, just* like photons are coherent in a laser beam.

      Using specially designed optical structures with nanometer-thick layers-which allow polaritons to move freely inside the solid-Snoke and his colleagues captured the polaritons in the form of a superfluid. In superfluids and in their solid counterparts, superconductors, matter consolidates to act as a single energy wave rather than as individual particles.

      I suppose saying "beam" or talking about the photons in the laser beam would have been slightly more clear to the people who didn't read the article, but it's hardly something poorly written enough to be complaining about.

      IAA physicist and material scientist, but I don't know enough about superconductors to really make worthwhile comments on that analogy. However, I am under the impression that the electrons pair up to form bosons that are then able to occupy the same energy levels and become coherent whereas normal electrons are fermions and can't do that.

      * horrible, horrible use of the word "just"
  9. Applications? Laser Fusion? by sanman2 · · Score: 1

    I'm wonder what the most promising practical applications of this new matter could be.

    What are its constraints and limitations? How much energy-density or power-density can it handle?

    Since lasers are being used in experimental development of confinement fusion, and since this polariton-filled matter is supposedly more energy efficient, I'd wonder if this new matter could be used to facilitate laser-confinement fusion.

    Or is it just meant for low-power applications?
    DVD-players, maybe?

  10. polaritons? by evwah · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    in related news:

    the team of scientists researching chronoton particles has not been heard from since last tuesday...

  11. Big Supersymmetry Fan, Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    No need to be a jerk about it, though. Especially since the supersymmetric postulate seems to be almost, but not quite, as bad as string theory in terms of a lack of predictive power. For those offended by that comment - just tell me some test we could potentially perform that would invalidate the postulate. I confess that I don't have a detailed knowledge of supersymmetry yet, but I'm always struck by how every experimental test I've seen so far is just ruling out fractions of the model space.

    I'm not sure about that Wikipedia quote, either. It seems, frankly, downright wrong. You might as well say that the distinction between a moebius strip and a plain loop is not quite clear when they symmetry properties make the distinction plain as day. With fermions you have a half-integer spin field and all that entails: anti-commuting operators/Grassman variables => the Pauli exclusion principle, 720 degree rotations are the identity (generally), a propagator that goes like 1/p, the conservation of the net number of fermions, and etc. With bosons you'll find: commuting operators/plain numbers => Bose-Einstein condensation, 360 degree rotations are the identity, a propagator that goes like 1/p^2, non-conservation of the net number of bosons, particles that are their own anti-particles, and etc.

    From your first post it seems that you don't know the first thing about condensed matter physics, either. There's a proliferation of phases for a very good reason - because they're real. That phases are distinguished by different properties, whether a symmetry or not, a latent heat necessary to cross the phase transition boundary, and etc.

    Think of it this way, even if we manage to find some underlying structure that melds fermions and bosons, they're still going to be as different as water and ice. So, even if we eventually unify fermions and bosons under a single umbrella, the distinction will still be useful; just like how chemists don't have to bother with neutrons and protons but instead use nuclei and their properties + electrons.

    Frankly, I'd be surprised if you've made it as far as you claim in physics given that you seem to have a very rigid way of thinking about the world. That, or your the kind of @ss who gives the rest of us physicists a bad name.

    1. Re:Big Supersymmetry Fan, Eh? by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 0, Troll

      It seems, frankly, downright wrong Most physicists have accepted that subatomic particles exhibit a dual wave-particle nature.

      Maybe quantum mechanics invites bipolar trolls. If someone claims a wave, they can argue a particle. If someone claims a particle, they can argue a wave. If some claims duality then they can argue ambiguity.

      All I suggested is that, rather than pronouncing new unprecedented discoveries every month, maybe the physicists ought to look into solidifying their dual wave-particle of photons. They'll find that all these other "new particles" and "new forms of matter" fit neatly with a which has been established for at least fifteen years.
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    2. Re:Big Supersymmetry Fan, Eh? by qbwiz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or, then again, maybe they won't find that new particles fit neatly with what has been established. Theoretical physicists have been trying to unify everything for the last 150 years - the current popular attempt is called string theory. It's not doing so well in the realm of "making useful or even testable predictions," though.

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    3. Re:Big Supersymmetry Fan, Eh? by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 1

      The new particles exhibit enough dual wave-particle nature that a few small modifications of photons--subatomic particles which carry energy in a waveform--could fit all of them.

      Once past the range of a whole atom then everything truly is just a particle, with a waveform, which carries energy. The other characteristics which have been assigned to things like fermions, bosons, particulatrons, quarks, and mesofemimento-ulons have been kludges to make life easier for people who don't know how to refactor their equations. These kludges have sadly been perpetuated in a system of self-anointed experts who need flashier lingo to appeal to the investment bankers who, in collusion with the government, have created a stranglehold on funding.

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    4. Re:Big Supersymmetry Fan, Eh? by wass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe quantum mechanics invites bipolar trolls. If someone claims a wave, they can argue a particle. If someone claims a particle, they can argue a wave. If some claims duality then they can argue ambiguity.

      You're totally confusing spin with particle/wave duality, which makes one really wonder what the hell you are talking about. You may be impressing the moderators with your blatantly-incorrect usage of fancy techie-sounding words, but it's quite obvious to the physicists here that you have no clue what you're talking about. And the irony is that you're guilty of that 'whoring out' which you are accusing actual physicists of.

      Your original quote misconstrued the nature of fermionic vs bosonic natures of quanta, which the GP clarified, and you resorted to a wikipedia quote, which is quite out of context.

      Irrespective of particle-wave nature, photons are spin-1 bosons! Why the hell are you bringing particle/wave duality into the picture at all?

      All I suggested is that, rather than pronouncing new unprecedented discoveries every month, maybe the physicists ought to look into solidifying their dual wave-particle of photons. They'll find that all these other "new particles" and "new forms of matter" fit neatly with a which has been established for at least fifteen years.

      If you had an inkling of the physics research, including theoretical, simulational, and experimental, that goes on in "highly-correlated" condensed-matter systems, you'd understand that the framework for identifying the various quanta and behaviors are well-defined within the basic "standard model" for realizable laboratory conditions. And this has been well-understood for longer than 15 years, what exactly is this 15-year time frame you're quoting anyway?

      What is interesting is how modern 'exotic' materials can exhibit quanta with different charge, spin, phonon, etc properties than 'plain vanilla' systems. See spin-charge separation in a Luttinger Liquid for an older example. Armchair scientists like you may prefer to use the recent buzzword of emergent behavior if you like, although I don't agree Laughlin's mindview on the whole field of emergence.

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    5. Re:Big Supersymmetry Fan, Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Guys, "Homeless" here *does not know what he is talking about*. Please stop modding him up. Both fermions and bosons are quantum fields (i.e. wave or particles but neither really), but their properties are vastly different for reasons that a real physicist IS taught in 1st year undergrad - The difference between spin odd-integer/2 and spin integer fields is vitally important and fundamental to physics. The ONLY KNOWN WAY to transform bosons into fermions at a fundamental level (as opposed to by mere aggregation - obviously even numbers of fermions together can act as pseudobosons, or by dimensional reduction - as in the weird fractional quantum hall effect that affects quantum systems confined to 2D) is via a "supersymmetry transformation", a so-far-only-theoretical construct.

    6. Re:Big Supersymmetry Fan, Eh? by wass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Once past the range of a whole atom then everything truly is just a particle, with a waveform, which carries energy."

      Out of curiosity, when you say things like that do you actually expect to be taken seriously by scientists here?

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    7. Re:Big Supersymmetry Fan, Eh? by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 1

      Kludges by people who don't know how to refactor their equations? I guess you're hiding the Grand Unified Theory from us, since it's clearly easy and stuff. I bet it's the conspiracy by the burgeiose nouveau-riche oppressive freedom-hating capitalist pig-dogs that's preventing you from telling us, isn't it? I bet they also gave Stephen Hawking ALS to keep him down, too.

    8. Re:Big Supersymmetry Fan, Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for refuting this fraud more eloquently than I have yet been able to do. His poor understanding likely is a result of 2 things.

      1) He's clearly insane (read his journal some time), and
      2) He's just an out-of-work, out-of-practice chemist with no real physics knowledge.

      He's not so much an "armchair scientist" as he is a "park bench pseudo-scientist".

  12. Why not go all the way? by Krishnoid · · Score: 1, Funny

    I for one, am pleased to welcome our frickin' superconducting laser shark overlords.

  13. Seriously -- Advantages? Applications? by sanman2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Okay, I found this other article about this discovery, and thought it was pretty good. It's worth a read:

    http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/11/5/17/1

    So this thing is like a BEC, but it's made of "excitons" (electron-hole pairs) plus the photons causing the excitation. But these "polaritons" are so short-lived, I'm wondering what this invention could be practically used for. They're calling it a "quasi-equilibrium" system, because it's more of a dynamic equilibrium.

    Could this "polariton condensate" be used to probe "quantum foam", or spacetime, or something? They've already said it's more energy efficient than a laser.
    Surely something this exotic must be able to confer on us some useful ability, that it would have some practical application -- even if only for research purposes.

    When I think of an exciton-photon combination as compared to electron inversion, then it reminds me of the difference between a turbine and a piston engine. This "polariton" thingy (exciton-photon combo) would be more efficient than the laser in a way that's analogous to how the turbine is more efficient than the piston explosion. I'd think that the key to maximizing its advantage is by stimulating the excitons with the highest energy photons possible. That way you're maximizing your energy savings from this more efficient process.

    Hmm... so maybe it might be useful for laser-confinement fusion after all. Maybe it could be used for laser-based rapid-manufacturing, etc.
    Whatever it is, you'd probably want it for a short-range application, due to the brief lifespan of the polaritons.

    1. Re:Seriously -- Advantages? Applications? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      applications?

      frickin' sharks with frickin' laser beams, of course!
      whoa! now my sharks won't need to be attached to my nuclear power-plant!

  14. Wave-Particle Duality Has Nothing to do With It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You seem to be under the impression that bosons = waves and fermions = particles. Wrong wrong wrong!

    According to the Standard Model and Quantum Field Theory, both bosons and fermions are quantized (ie particle like) waves that propagate through fields that have completely different symmetry properties and point-like interactions with each-other and sometimes themselves.

    Here's you're clue-stick: matter = fermions because of the Pauli exclusion principle. That is, the waves crowd each other out completely so you get Fermi-Dirac statistics and all the other properties you normally associate with matter. Bosons = what we classically identified as fields and waves because they can pile up in to the same state and are not conserved in number. The distinction between them is as plain as day.

  15. /.ed Mastercard Commercial by Caffeinate · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fermions spin? Half integer. Bosons spin? Full integer. Arguing about quantum physics on /.? Priceless.

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  16. sound a bit like an LED to me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What exactlty does "form" mean?
    does form follow function?
    If we all understood exactly what every word means maybe we could communicate?

    Is a form like a state (liquid, gas, solid, etc...),
    or is it an arrangement of sub atomic particles with inverted spin state?

    Obviously I understand how everything works, but I am not sure I understand how others think everything works when they try to relay how they think everything works?

    Mung

    1. Re:sound a bit like an LED to me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly, you have a dizzying intellect.

      Now go back to Laos, Mung.

  17. Polariton Lasers Are More Efficient by sanman2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's another good article I found:

    http://optics.org/cws/article/research/27439

    Again, a more energy-efficient laser sounds like it could be used for nuclear fusion, or even just for more energy efficient consumer electronics (eg. DVD players)

    Isn't Laser-TV supposed to be coming out this Xmas? I'd read that Novalux is working on improving the power of their Necsel laser modules for that purpose. If polariton lasers are 10 times more efficient than laser diodes and can operate at room temp, then maybe they'd fill the bill.

  18. Picky grammar... by IorDMUX · · Score: 1

    Some editor needs to learn the difference between a hyphen and an em-dash (unless Firefox isn't displaying them properly). The first sentence of paragraph three, as it stands, simultaneously suggests that a nanometer is thick and that the Metal Gear team somehow assisted the project.

    ... c'mon... "solid-Snoke"?

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  19. Ordinary Lasers, But More Efficient by sanman2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hi, I want to explain something here. This thing produces normal lasers, that are the same as the lasers we already know and love. The difference is that it can produce them using much less power input. The traditional method of electron population inversion requires more energy input for the amount of laser beam you get out. This new polariton method can make the same amount of laser for less energy inputted.

    For laser-confinement fusion, you'd want that kind of energy savings.
    Or SDI, or that ballistic missile interception laser mounted on that Boeing aircraft.

    I'm even wondering if those desktop particle accelerators based on laser-wakefield effect wouldn't also benefit.

    Anything that requires a high-power laser beam could benefit from this new polariton laser method. A turbine is already going round and round like a polariton, and is distinct from the discrete reciprocating motion of a piston, or the population inversion of electrons.

    1. Re:Ordinary Lasers, But More Efficient by flyingsquid · · Score: 1

      Personally I don't find this development all that interesting. Now, if they can create a form of matter which melds lasers and freakin' sharks, we'd have something...

    2. Re:Ordinary Lasers, But More Efficient by Pfhreak · · Score: 1

      Anything that requires a high-power laser beam could benefit from this new polariton laser method.
      Pulsed laser rifles, here we come!
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  20. don't confuse the issues by nanosquid · · Score: 1

    The fact that you question whether it's a new state of matter, and you refer merely solid, liquid, gas, and plasma without any reference to phase transitions, really shows your limited understanding of this subject.

    "State of matter" doesn't really have a strict definition in terms of phase transitions: most phase transitions don't give rise to new states of matter, and one state of matter may be transformed into another one without a phase transition (as you yourself observe).

    Important as this result may be, it does not seem to meet the criteria for a "new state of matter". In fact, the objects in which these interactions take place seem to be simply in the solid state, and the objects (polaritons) composing the new state are not made of matter. So, you have a new state, and it's a state that exists inside a solid object, but it's not a "new state of matter".

    1. Re:don't confuse the issues by wass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A 'state of matter' is typically regarded as having different macroscopic properties brought about by a phase transition. Of course ice/water is a great example, but superconductor/metal in aluminum is another example as well. If you really don't agree with this, then you'd consider gas and plasma to be the same state of matter (a point that the original poster disagrees since (s)he specifically mentioned gas/plasma being distinct states).

      However, regarding the 'state' itself, it refers to the collective excitations being considered. Ie, one has an an electron 'gas' inside a 'solid' block of copper. The copper atoms (minus the conduction electrons) act as a solid regarding phonon behavior (and why that block of copper moves like a solid when you tap it but doesn't flow like liquid). Meanwhile the free conduction electrons inside that block act as a Fermi gas (more accurately as a Fermi liquid if you want to properly account for interactions).

      Human physiology makes us more aware of the phonic nature of stuff, like whether it's a solid (has long-range interactions), liquid (short-range interactions), or gas (weakly interacting). But there ARE distinctive states due to electronic charge interactions (superconductor/metal/insulator) or magnetic interactions (ferromagnet/anti-ferrogmagnet), etc.

      If you really want to break it down, the point you're trying to argue is that "state of matter" should refer ONLY to the phononic behavior, and entirely ignore electronic and magnetic behaviors. At this point the debate becomes only a useless argument over philosophical and linguistic minutae.

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  21. Selective Laser Melting by sanman2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Okay, I know -- here's a good application:

    http://www.mcp-group.com/rpt/rpttslm.html

    Selective Laser Melting. It's a relatively new rapid prototyping technology which uses laser beams to melt powdered metal or plastic, so that it can be formed layer-by-layer into 3D parts.

    So this would be an example of what this polariton laser would be good for, because the polaritons can generate the laser much more efficiently than conventional electron population inversion. Your power requirements would be reduced by 90%, and possibly even more.

  22. ok new form of matter - the big question is by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    How does it taste?

    Refreshingly minty?

  23. Sounds like Techno-Babble by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Did they achieve these "polaritons" by reversing the phase array on the main deflector dish? (Well, OK, just so long as they don't try crossing the streams...)

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  24. Try again by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Good luck combining fermions with photons. Photons are very much a type of boson, which means they're very much _not_ fermions.

    Photon: Integer spin: Boson.

    Electron: Half-integer spin: Fermion.

    Hole: Half-integer spin: Fermion.

    Electron-hole pair: Sum of two half-integer spins = integer spin: Boson.

    So an electron-hole PAIR and a photon of the excitation energy hanging around in a crystal full of electrons can be duals - "flipping back-and-forth" or forming a quantum-indeterminancy of which it "really is" - i.e. a "polariton".

    And as a fine boson it doesn't give a hoot for the exclusion principle and actually prefers to be in step with its neighbors.

    So successfully creating a suitable nanoscale structure to cause a bunch of them to form, then to combine into a bose-einstein condensate, seems like a reasonable accomplishment.

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  25. you're missing the point by nanosquid · · Score: 1

    A 'state of matter' is typically regarded as having different macroscopic properties brought about by a phase transition.

    Typically (i.e., to most people), a "state of matter" is regarded to be what people learn in school to be a state of matter: solid, liquid, gas, and sometimes plasma. That definition is what counts in a press release to the general public. If a press release talks about a "new state of matter", it implies that something has been added to that list, or at least obviously belongs on that list.

    When communicating with the public, it's the responsibility of scientists to use the commonly understood meaning of terms. That's not "philosophical" or "linguistic" minutiae, it's a question of clear and honest communication.

    Of course ice/water is a great example, but superconductor/metal in aluminum is another example as well. If you really don't agree with this, then you'd consider gas and plasma to be the same state of matter (a point that the original poster disagrees since (s)he specifically mentioned gas/plasma being distinct states).

    It's not obvious at all to me that the gas/plasma distinction is comparable to the superconductor/metal distinction. I think there are many reasonable definitions of "state of matter" that would distinguish gas/plasma, but consider superconductor/metal to be the same state of matter.

    However, there probably should be a few more "states of matter" included in the standard list: neutron matter and superfluids, for example.