but when i do, it's to say that articles like this are very right on.. I couldn't imagine using another browser besides firefox these days, and I feel a sense of dread when I have to use chrom(ium/e).. it's disheartening that I'm the weirdo.
50,000 people have already answered, but here's my two cents, too..
Even as someone who perfers a slide out keyboard (Droid 4, here. Probably the last of the good slideout keyboards) it probably comes down to manufacturing costs..
it costs less for softkey phones, less moving parts, infinitely remappable keys, et al..
i rely on my hardware keyboard, cuz SSH. I mean, not losing screen real estate just to get a terminal is worth it..
i realize this is a minority reason for a good hardware keyboard, but yea.. i can type without looking, i can type FASTER..
softkeyboards only exist to make all typists equally crappy typers.. but because the problem is money, you can bet hardware keyboards will never come back.
If gravity is such a necessary force on our physiology, why haven't we (or maybe, what's the problem with the feasability of) simulated it with centrifugal force? You know, like having structures rotating at a sufficient velocity in space to test out if the illusion of the gravity is sufficient?
Since generating artificial gravity is science fiction, simulated gravity with centrifugal force seems testable. Wouldn't knowing this help solve a big part of the problem with long-term space habitation and construction?
It's way more hackable than MS office, the kids aren't only learning how to work for one company, and they can learn to actually make their own choices. Who cares if it's actually BETTER than MSOffice or not, it's not exactly BAD software. The one thing that really can be said which stands out as superior to MSOffice is that LibreOffice is free for the kids (and parents, and teachers) to use and hack.
If you're a parent, and your're tech savvy, and you're NOT involved in your children's school's tech, then sure.. expect Microsoft will try to buy your children's futures and never expose them to the idea that they can learn their own way, with whatever tool they want.
It is now, and has always been Microsoft's way or the highway. If, in the spirit of any opensource project, you yourself don't get involved in your own kids' school, and what they use and what they can teach with, sure.. Microsoft will gladly teach your children their way only, and America will -continue- to lag behind the rest of the world technically.
Nobody gets paid to post articles about that though, Everybody's-Own-Good Corp. doesn't exist to fund this message. So alas, another comment explaining the obvious fault with this whole/. article goes unconsidered.
it's been said a couple times by now i'm sure.. but i use an instance of owncloud to host/backup/share my
contacts - via CardDav calendar - via CalDav pictures/files - via webDav browser history/bookmarks/addons/prefs - via mozilla_sync (an own cloud app)
i host it on my own hardware, it's basically php+apache (could be nginx or whatever, i happen to be using apache) postgres (could be mysql, whatever else)..
i sync it with thunderbird/lightning (but it'll sync with anything really)
I can't understand why most people aren't doing it.
i don't rely on google, motocast, or any third party for hosting/storing/sharing my data. it's mine own. on my own cloud.
and hell, that's only about a quarter of the functionailty.. owncloud also replaces dropbox, sharepoint, and is slowly replacing googledocs
you can also link owncloud to dropbox/ubuntuone/otherclouddiskprovider and transfer all your junk outta their servers int your servers. you can even link it to other ownCloud instances.
and if you REALLY wanna get fancy, you can even use openswift (the OpenStack storage backend) as your storage underneath..
and since the whole thing's GPL'd i don't feel like a corporate shill for pimping it so hard.
I consider myself an avid gamer, and have been so since the 80s.. I haven't had a windows box in a dozen years.. When I see it, people using it, or god-forbid, have to use it myself, i'm reminded WHY i don't use windows..
I've been playing TF2 since it came out, under linux, no problems..
No, it's not better than the native awesome it could be if ported.. (hell, it runs on Mac now, half the job's already done)
I realize I'm in the vast minority of people who consider themselves a "gamer" while using linux exclusively.. but we wouldn't be so rare if Valve had the balls to actually produce a linux client.
As for that fraction of linux users who are all free software uber alles; they're the reason the term "open source" was coined. While Free Software and Open Source Software philosophies differ, Open Source Software's philosophy that "it makes sense for some software to be paid for", and that more penguins in general would be inclined to buy games for linux anyway, is all the more reason to make Steam available for linux..
WALMART is your argument against linux on the shelf in stores?
Walmart failed because they sell crap, and lots of it.
For instance: what brand of PC was linux in walmart running on? Dell? somehow I think not.
So an off-brand no-name chinese OEM, with an unheardof, untested, unusable distribution of linux fails to sell in the most god-awful place to shop ever invented by man, and this is your proof linux is unsellable?
Well your in luck then, front ends like boxee have a ton of podcasts TOO! Its miraculous, I know... A little fiddling with lirc, and BAM, settop everything. Maybe a little more hardware than roku, but even my granddad can point a remote and watch... Tv OR podcasts..
One of the things i love about boxee is the sheer amount of TV shows i can watch on hulu, joost, cbs, and others..
Quit trying to compete with each other and give the market what it wants, all shows, on demand. Advertize your brains out like you do on broadcast tv, and let people fall all over themselves trying to make decent interfaces for your content.
Seriously. I don't care what the holdup is, just hurry up and make TV like this.
The problem I see is game developers have the same myopic understanding of their products as the MPAA and RIAA have..
In the material world, matter can't be created or destroyed. So in order to sell a widget, you have to make a widget first, and when you DO sell a widget, you only get to keep a fraction of the money you make, since the majority of the price has to go into MAKING ANOTHER WIDGET.
In the digital world, information CAN be created and destroyed. it is very easy to create, and very difficult to destroy once created. So in order to sell a digital widget one merely needs to make a copy and trade material money for it. however, the party RECEIVING the money gets to keep 100% of that money since generating a new digital widget takes no industrial effort at all to make (or allow to be made) more copies.
As the internet spreads around the globe and everybody has faster and faster access to information, there's no scarcity. ONCE a program has been WRITTEN, it can be infinitely replicated by anyone who has a copy...So, crying foul because people are pirating or copying your digital products literally makes no sense. No one gets rich by digging one ditch. If you don't want your information copied, don't put it out there for people to access.
I'm not saying I have the solution for "piracy", nor am I attempting to explain the motivations behind "pirates". All I'm trying to illustrate is the physics of what the situation is for software developers, and music and movie producers, and all the other people trying to "capitalize" on the information age.
everybody's motivations in this matter are merely based on physics, not greed or morals.. enjoy the spread of computers, technology, and bandwidth! ^_^
so of all the handhelds on the market, the one that most definitely comes close to a reasonable portable ssh, imho has got to be the nokia n810. people pooh pooh maemo, but the thing will run debian and probably something like ubuntu mobile or something..
nevertheless.. the best -class- of device is still something like it or the iphone/ipod touch/ type devices, an openmoko, palms, blackberrys; something that is already halfway a computer. If it is itself a standard platform and a keyboard will at least pair with if it doesn't have its own, it's a reasonable tool to ssh with.. a lot different than 3 years ago.. was UMPC even coined back then?
Anyway, the n810 stands out among them only because of it's hardware keyboard, it's not perfect, but you can use it for much much longer than would be comfortable with a screen keyboard. As treo and blackberry users can probably tell you, there's nothing wrong with having a hardware keyboard when that's all you can have at the moment. hell there -is- a software keyboard (like on the 800s, and 770s), but I could never imagine using it. The n810's more of a computer all by itself than most anything that doesn't approach an ipod touch or something, and arguably still better for general computing because it ISN'T a PDA, it isn't a phone at all really, it's just a damn small UMPC with a choice of distros (at least for the brave,) and tons of apps.. Frankly I think maemo is pretty darn good considering it's limited audience, there's a LOT more ports, and even repos, than I had expected to find before I got one.
Yes, it's One More Device(tm) besides a phone, but some of us don't really care. And who cares if it's made for the general population or not, either; the question was about SSHing with a smartphone.. or handheld it seems is a better tool (term?), and what better for SSHing but a standard client? Yea, the iphone is a phone AND a shell prompt.. but people are fooling themselves about that soft keyboard thing, i mean really...
I wonder if there's even a comparable WME device.. I mean.. i wonder if it would be more ideal even if there was, simply because ssh would still be such a foreign program on that platform..
It's still too small.. The keyboard is a ridiculously attractive addition over the N800, I have friends with the 800, and i think it's a wonderful device.. I think the N810 is a wonderful device too, That's not the point! the point is, it's PHYSICALLY TOO SMALL to use seriously for anything.
I'm used to being the dude with the opinion that nobody takes seriously, but it irks me to no end to see this device, and know even if I did buy it [it's damn compelling], it'll slip out of my hand, slip out of my pocket, not allow me to have two terminals open side by side, or a terminal and a file browser, or web browser, too small to fit a 1.8" drive as WELL as SD slots, too small to be comfortable using the stylus when writing on it.. hell, it's pointless to even consider writing or taking notes on it BECAUSE it's so small..
it's too small to plug in a couple of USB drives, and drag and drop [via konqueror or nautilus or mc, or whatever] between them, it's too small to hold and read for hours, it's too small to have a decent WiFi antenna, too small for a mini-PCI slot, so upgrading from G to N to wiMax would even be possible it's too small for a decent battery, it's too small for huddling folks around to watch youtube or gametrailers. it's too small to finger scroll the screen [instead of HAVING to use a stylus], it's too small to leave the notebook at home and take to class, or take to a meeting for note taking..
in essence, it's too small for doing any of the useful things it would be good for, and that it has been designed for..
Why can't they (or anyone) make it steno pad sized??? What the hell is wrong with people that every devices has to be f'ing Zoolander sized??
full size tablet notebooks fail because they are too large. PDA "tablets" fail because they're too small..
This N810 device has REALLY NICE specs considering.. It's a handy tool for folks like me who already have 3 notebooks, like to have [access to] one wherever I go, but it's not practical to take a notebook everywhere [without looking like a tool]. The N800 has always been attractive, because of it's swissarmyknife like features, but it was impractical to me without a keyboard and some size [ssh anyone?].. now the N810 is coming, and it's got a KEYBOARD, and even BETTER features, but it's !@$#%@#$% SMALLER!??!?!?!
I hate you Nokia; you've invented a wonderful, very attractvive information tool that does nearly everything I could think to ask for in a tablet (except maybe some nice USB master ports) and you've wrapped it complete fail!
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but when i do, it's to say that articles like this are very right on.. I couldn't imagine using another browser besides firefox these days, and I feel a sense of dread when I have to use chrom(ium/e).. it's disheartening that I'm the weirdo.
I remember KDE in the 90's. it was good stuff.
KDE 3.5.x was peak KDE
Nevertheless, I still use it.
but I also use XFCE and LXDE and occasionally Gnome.
I'm not bigoted. I like having choices.
the world will change because of your witty ripostes!!
STFU, and go do something about it.
..and nothing of value was lost.
horray! that elusive aspect of the LCARS standard that requires those displayed buttons have haptic feedback is now achievable!
i have a low UID and run 3 minecraft servers
i can say with much authority that anonymous troll is an idiot.
50,000 people have already answered, but here's my two cents, too..
Even as someone who perfers a slide out keyboard (Droid 4, here. Probably the last of the good slideout keyboards) it probably comes down to manufacturing costs..
it costs less for softkey phones, less moving parts, infinitely remappable keys, et al..
i rely on my hardware keyboard, cuz SSH. I mean, not losing screen real estate just to get a terminal is worth it..
i realize this is a minority reason for a good hardware keyboard, but yea.. i can type without looking, i can type FASTER..
softkeyboards only exist to make all typists equally crappy typers.. but because the problem is money, you can bet hardware keyboards will never come back.
needs more linux
If gravity is such a necessary force on our physiology, why haven't we (or maybe, what's the problem with the feasability of) simulated it with centrifugal force? You know, like having structures rotating at a sufficient velocity in space to test out if the illusion of the gravity is sufficient?
Since generating artificial gravity is science fiction, simulated gravity with centrifugal force seems testable. Wouldn't knowing this help solve a big part of the problem with long-term space habitation and construction?
-m
It's way more hackable than MS office, the kids aren't only learning how to work for one company, and they can learn to actually make their own choices. Who cares if it's actually BETTER than MSOffice or not, it's not exactly BAD software. The one thing that really can be said which stands out as superior to MSOffice is that LibreOffice is free for the kids (and parents, and teachers) to use and hack.
If you're a parent, and your're tech savvy, and you're NOT involved in your children's school's tech, then sure.. expect Microsoft will try to buy your children's futures and never expose them to the idea that they can learn their own way, with whatever tool they want.
It is now, and has always been Microsoft's way or the highway. If, in the spirit of any opensource project, you yourself don't get involved in your own kids' school, and what they use and what they can teach with, sure.. Microsoft will gladly teach your children their way only, and America will -continue- to lag behind the rest of the world technically.
Nobody gets paid to post articles about that though, Everybody's-Own-Good Corp. doesn't exist to fund this message. So alas, another comment explaining the obvious fault with this whole /. article goes unconsidered.
US$0.02++
also, that's 9 babies
additionally,
ownlcould also has android and iOS clients.
there's no excuse for putting your personal data in anyone else's cloud but your own.
it's been said a couple times by now i'm sure.. but i use an instance of owncloud to host/backup/share my
contacts - via CardDav
calendar - via CalDav
pictures/files - via webDav
browser history/bookmarks/addons/prefs - via mozilla_sync (an own cloud app)
i host it on my own hardware, it's basically php+apache (could be nginx or whatever, i happen to be using apache) postgres (could be mysql, whatever else)..
i sync it with thunderbird/lightning (but it'll sync with anything really)
I can't understand why most people aren't doing it.
i don't rely on google, motocast, or any third party for hosting/storing/sharing my data. it's mine own. on my own cloud.
and hell, that's only about a quarter of the functionailty.. owncloud also replaces dropbox, sharepoint, and is slowly replacing googledocs
you can also link owncloud to dropbox/ubuntuone/otherclouddiskprovider and transfer all your junk outta their servers int your servers. you can even link it to other ownCloud instances.
and if you REALLY wanna get fancy, you can even use openswift (the OpenStack storage backend) as your storage underneath..
and since the whole thing's GPL'd i don't feel like a corporate shill for pimping it so hard.
US$0.02++
so if i kill myself, i'll avoid influenza! ...wait
why the above is rated 0, I will never understand.
or, WINE.
I consider myself an avid gamer, and have been so since the 80s.. I haven't had a windows box in a dozen years.. When I see it, people using it, or god-forbid, have to use it myself, i'm reminded WHY i don't use windows..
I've been playing TF2 since it came out, under linux, no problems..
No, it's not better than the native awesome it could be if ported.. (hell, it runs on Mac now, half the job's already done)
I realize I'm in the vast minority of people who consider themselves a "gamer" while using linux exclusively.. but we wouldn't be so rare if Valve had the balls to actually produce a linux client.
As for that fraction of linux users who are all free software uber alles; they're the reason the term "open source" was coined. While Free Software and Open Source Software philosophies differ, Open Source Software's philosophy that "it makes sense for some software to be paid for", and that more penguins in general would be inclined to buy games for linux anyway, is all the more reason to make Steam available for linux..
but whatever.. it hurts just the same. =(
seriously.. walmart??
WALMART is your argument against linux on the shelf in stores?
Walmart failed because they sell crap, and lots of it.
For instance: what brand of PC was linux in walmart running on? Dell? somehow I think not.
So an off-brand no-name chinese OEM, with an unheardof, untested, unusable distribution of linux fails to sell in the most god-awful place to shop ever invented by man, and this is your proof linux is unsellable?
seriously, wat?
Well your in luck then, front ends like boxee have a ton of podcasts TOO! Its miraculous, I know... A little fiddling with lirc, and BAM, settop everything. Maybe a little more hardware than roku, but even my granddad can point a remote and watch... Tv OR podcasts..
-m
who cares about podcasts? gimmie tv shows..
One of the things i love about boxee is the sheer amount of TV shows i can watch on hulu, joost, cbs, and others..
Quit trying to compete with each other and give the market what it wants, all shows, on demand. Advertize your brains out like you do on broadcast tv, and let people fall all over themselves trying to make decent interfaces for your content.
Seriously. I don't care what the holdup is, just hurry up and make TV like this.
-m
agreed. wish I had mod points.. blizzard going after bnetd was why I stopped playing their games. Their attitudes towards their customers is horrible.
The problem I see is game developers have the same myopic understanding of their products as the MPAA and RIAA have..
In the material world, matter can't be created or destroyed. So in order to sell a widget, you have to make a widget first, and when you DO sell a widget, you only get to keep a fraction of the money you make, since the majority of the price has to go into MAKING ANOTHER WIDGET.
In the digital world, information CAN be created and destroyed. it is very easy to create, and very difficult to destroy once created. So in order to sell a digital widget one merely needs to make a copy and trade material money for it. however, the party RECEIVING the money gets to keep 100% of that money since generating a new digital widget takes no industrial effort at all to make (or allow to be made) more copies.
As the internet spreads around the globe and everybody has faster and faster access to information, there's no scarcity. ONCE a program has been WRITTEN, it can be infinitely replicated by anyone who has a copy. ..So, crying foul because people are pirating or copying your digital products literally makes no sense. No one gets rich by digging one ditch. If you don't want your information copied, don't put it out there for people to access.
I'm not saying I have the solution for "piracy", nor am I attempting to explain the motivations behind "pirates". All I'm trying to illustrate is the physics of what the situation is for software developers, and music and movie producers, and all the other people trying to "capitalize" on the information age.
everybody's motivations in this matter are merely based on physics, not greed or morals.. enjoy the spread of computers, technology, and bandwidth! ^_^
-m
so of all the handhelds on the market, the one that most definitely comes close to a reasonable portable ssh, imho has got to be the nokia n810. people pooh pooh maemo, but the thing will run debian and probably something like ubuntu mobile or something..
nevertheless.. the best -class- of device is still something like it or the iphone/ipod touch/ type devices, an openmoko, palms, blackberrys; something that is already halfway a computer. If it is itself a standard platform and a keyboard will at least pair with if it doesn't have its own, it's a reasonable tool to ssh with.. a lot different than 3 years ago.. was UMPC even coined back then?
Anyway, the n810 stands out among them only because of it's hardware keyboard, it's not perfect, but you can use it for much much longer than would be comfortable with a screen keyboard. As treo and blackberry users can probably tell you, there's nothing wrong with having a hardware keyboard when that's all you can have at the moment. hell there -is- a software keyboard (like on the 800s, and 770s), but I could never imagine using it. The n810's more of a computer all by itself than most anything that doesn't approach an ipod touch or something, and arguably still better for general computing because it ISN'T a PDA, it isn't a phone at all really, it's just a damn small UMPC with a choice of distros (at least for the brave,) and tons of apps.. Frankly I think maemo is pretty darn good considering it's limited audience, there's a LOT more ports, and even repos, than I had expected to find before I got one.
Yes, it's One More Device(tm) besides a phone, but some of us don't really care. And who cares if it's made for the general population or not, either; the question was about SSHing with a smartphone.. or handheld it seems is a better tool (term?), and what better for SSHing but a standard client? Yea, the iphone is a phone AND a shell prompt.. but people are fooling themselves about that soft keyboard thing, i mean really...
I wonder if there's even a comparable WME device.. I mean.. i wonder if it would be more ideal even if there was, simply because ssh would still be such a foreign program on that platform..
oh well, that's my $0.02
-m
It's still too small.. The keyboard is a ridiculously attractive addition over the N800, I have friends with the 800, and i think it's a wonderful device.. I think the N810 is a wonderful device too, That's not the point! the point is, it's PHYSICALLY TOO SMALL to use seriously for anything.
I'm used to being the dude with the opinion that nobody takes seriously, but it irks me to no end to see this device, and know even if I did buy it [it's damn compelling], it'll slip out of my hand, slip out of my pocket, not allow me to have two terminals open side by side, or a terminal and a file browser, or web browser, too small to fit a 1.8" drive as WELL as SD slots, too small to be comfortable using the stylus when writing on it.. hell, it's pointless to even consider writing or taking notes on it BECAUSE it's so small..
it's too small to plug in a couple of USB drives, and drag and drop [via konqueror or nautilus or mc, or whatever] between them, it's too small to hold and read for hours, it's too small to have a decent WiFi antenna, too small for a mini-PCI slot, so upgrading from G to N to wiMax would even be possible it's too small for a decent battery, it's too small for huddling folks around to watch youtube or gametrailers. it's too small to finger scroll the screen [instead of HAVING to use a stylus], it's too small to leave the notebook at home and take to class, or take to a meeting for note taking..
in essence, it's too small for doing any of the useful things it would be good for, and that it has been designed for..
but whatever. it's still a nice attempt.
Why can't they (or anyone) make it steno pad sized??? What the hell is wrong with people that every devices has to be f'ing Zoolander sized??
full size tablet notebooks fail because they are too large. PDA "tablets" fail because they're too small..
This N810 device has REALLY NICE specs considering.. It's a handy tool for folks like me who already have 3 notebooks, like to have [access to] one wherever I go, but it's not practical to take a notebook everywhere [without looking like a tool]. The N800 has always been attractive, because of it's swissarmyknife like features, but it was impractical to me without a keyboard and some size [ssh anyone?].. now the N810 is coming, and it's got a KEYBOARD, and even BETTER features, but it's !@$#%@#$% SMALLER!??!?!?!
I hate you Nokia; you've invented a wonderful, very attractvive information tool that does nearly everything I could think to ask for in a tablet (except maybe some nice USB master ports) and you've wrapped it complete fail!