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Aluminum Alloy Releases Hydrogen From Water

mdsolar writes "PhysOrg is reporting on a method of releasing hydrogen from water by oxidizing aluminum in an alloy with gallium. In the presence of water the aluminum oxidizes, leaving aluminum oxide, gallium, and hydrogen gas. The Purdue scientists who discovered the effect think this could help to overcome difficulties with hydrogen storage. Quoting: 'On its own, aluminum will not react with water because it forms a protective skin [of aluminum oxide] when exposed to oxygen. Adding gallium keeps the film from forming, allowing the aluminum to react with oxygen in the water.'"

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  1. The Beauty Of Closed Systems by bc90021 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is a significant breakthrough, not because it enables the hydrogen economy (which is important), but because it makes it a more closed system. In their scenario, the aluminum and gallium are recyclable and more importantly *reusable*. It means that filling stations could exchange your car's waste products for recycled waste products from your neighbour's car. Granted, this has costs. Right now, the costs seem to be the prohibitive factor, but hopefully adoption of the technology will lower them, as it does with most new technologies.

    1. Re:The Beauty Of Closed Systems by tajmorton · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not a closed system because it requires energy to recycle the aluminum and gallium. Also, it's still not terribly efficient, since it requires 1 lb of aluminum per mile you drive.

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    2. Re:The Beauty Of Closed Systems by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

      Aluminum oxide is an incredibly energy-intensive process... and not altogether clean, either. You have a molten cryolyte bath that you dissolve the alumina into you have fluorinated waste gasses, you slowly dissolve your carbon anodes, etc. Water electrolysis is so much simpler, and quite efficient to boot. The only real downside is the thermal losses if your electricity comes from a heat-driven power plant, but that applies to most any process that uses electricity.

      Anyways, without knowing the energy efficiency of this aluminum+water->hydrogen+alumina, I wouldn't be ready to judge this tech yet.

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    3. Re:The Beauty Of Closed Systems by Fordiman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Incorrect. Extracting Aluminum from Al2O3 takes a LOT of heat - ie: energy. You're, essentially, calling for the use of even more energy than you extract from the resulting hydrogen.

      Hint: Water is a component of all hydrocarbon ash. You can't extract energy from it. You can only dump energy into it to make it hydrogen, and re-extract it.

      In terser words: A hydrogen economy is a waste of time, far as I've seen. That is, I havent seen any process for the mass production and transport of hydrogen that gets better efficiency than your standard ICE.

      Alternatives: raw solar (too inefficient at the time of this posting), ethanol (via DEFC, *not* ICE; still not fully developed), thorium nuclear (some engineering problems to be overcome, but most promising), thermal conversion (more a waste management solution than an energy-infrastructure solution).

      I'm looking forward to thorium fission. I'm not looking forward to a hydrogen economy.

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    4. Re:The Beauty Of Closed Systems by Doppler00 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, once the reaction takes place you have Alumina, i.e. Aluminum Oxide. Although you could say this item is "recyclable" it's actually quite worthless to do so. It takes an incredible amount of energy to convert it back to aluminum, not to mention the process of creating aluminum from alumina oxide requires the reaction of a carbon anode which generates carbon dioxide. Also, the electrolysis has to occur at high temperatures which are probably generated with coal. My guess it would be far more efficient to just continue using the alumina that is efficiently mined and transported in bulk than to try recycling the byproduct from each vehicle. The gallium might be much rarer, I don't know.

      So, pure hydrogen on the other hand can be generated by a simple science experiment. Just try making your own aluminum at home and see how easy it is.

    5. Re:The Beauty Of Closed Systems by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Funny

      My bicycle gets more.

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  2. Still ONLY an energy STORAGE medium. by Archeopteryx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just another way of converting electrical energy into a form that can be used later.

    We need to have a source of reliable cheap electricity to make the aluminum. And we don't at this time.

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    1. Re:Still ONLY an energy STORAGE medium. by kmac06 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes we do. Nuclear energy is cheap, clean, and plentiful.

    2. Re:Still ONLY an energy STORAGE medium. by wierdling · · Score: 4, Informative

      I used to work in a uranium mine is south-western Colorado. There are still many, many mines there that have lots of uranium in them. It just isn't economical to mine them as we don't really use that much uranium. If we built more power plants and the price came up, those mines would open.

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    3. Re:Still ONLY an energy STORAGE medium. by Dan+Ost · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In a hundred years, we'll have processed all that "waste" into fuel for modern reactors.

      We have the technology now that we could, if politics didn't interfere, build reactors that fed their "waste" into secondary reactors who fed their "waste" into tertiary reactors. The resulting "waste" would be close enough to the background radiation that disposal is a non-issue (dare I say that we'd use it to make glow-in-the-dark watch hands and night sights for handguns?).

      The nuclear issue is almost purely political at this point. Nuclear waste even more so.

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  3. Or... by evanbd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You could add sodium hydroxide (lye) or another base to the water, to dissolve the oxide layer. Their solution is probably safer, but mine you can buy at the drug store. And fill balloons with the H2. (Oblig warning: NaOH is nasty caustic, and H2 is ridiculously flammable with a *huge* explosive range in air. Don't do this without appropriate safety precautions.)

    What I'm actually curious about is why they think this is useful. The energy released only partly goes into cracking the water; an awful lot of it comes out as heat, which is both wasteful and has to be removed from the system. And all that energy came from electricity to refine the aluminum from aluminum oxide ore. It seems to me you should just ship the electricity in the normal manner and use it to charge conventional batteries, which have really gotten rather efficient lately.

    1. Re:Or... by evanbd · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, it won't. The aluminum oxide is *hard* to convert into aluminum. That's the *reason* aluminum is expensive -- not because the oxide is expensive (it's dirt cheap), but because it takes *massive* amounts of energy to turn it back into aluminum. And, said energy has to come in the form of electricity. This is just an expensive way of storing and moving electrical energy -- and an inefficient one, too, when you remember that only some of the energy in the aluminum goes into cracking the water, and about half of it goes into heat.

  4. Gallium too expensive for this. by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

    Check the price on gallium. It's about $500 per kilogram, although there was a price spike a few years back and it passed $1000. It's a trace component in bauxite and coal. Way too expensive to be used as a fuel component.

    Gallium is so expensive that it's not even cost effective in solar cells, where it works very well.

  5. Once again ignoring the energy needed for aluminum by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Informative

    The aluminum smelting process requires vast amounts of electricity.

    quoting a random googled page : "On average, around the world, it takes some 15.7 kWh of electricity to produce one kilogram of aluminium from alumina. Design and process improvements have progressively reduced this figure from about 21kWh in the 1950's."

    so it doesnt matter that it produces hydrogen. It's almost assured coal equivalent to or greater than the tank of gas it replaces was burned somewhere to get the aluminum.

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  6. Aluminium = Energy Hog. by Ihlosi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    For anyone who didn't know that yet:

    Making aluminium out of any aluminium ore (including oxides) takes big frickin' huge amounts of energy.


    Wake me again when they have found some sort of catalyst that works with the reaction

    2 H2O + (some sort of cheap, abundant energy, preferably heat or sunlight, definitely not electricity) -> 2 H2 + O2

  7. Re:It's all about flexible energy source CHOICES. by zippthorne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But it's not one of the major hurdles that needs to be overcome to use hydrocarbons. Regarding the "hydrogen economy," Hydrogen is actually pretty far from ideal as a storage mechanism. Liquid hydrocarbons turns out to be one of the best ways to store hydrogen all around, and the infrastructure's already in place to handle it.

    The way to get off "foreign oil" is to produce synthetic octane/diesel fuel. Since it's already possible to do this in a number of ways, the thing holding us back from kicking the oil habit is that oil is freakin' cheap. It's already made, all you have to do is pump it out of the ground. And maybe a little fractional distillation, but that's peanuts compared to the energy needed to synthesize liquid hydrocarbon fuel (or any easily transportable fuel, really.)

    We'd all better hope that the carbon trapped in easy-to-get spots is pretty much insignificant atmosphere-wise, 'cause the cat's out of the bag, and it's not going to stop being pumped till it's gone.

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  8. Alumina to Aluminum = huge energy and pollution by Albinoman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wikipedia has an article on the Hall-Héroult process, the major method used to refine aluminum oxide into aluminum. Ill save you the time.

    "In the Hall-Héroult process alumina, Al2O3 is dissolved in a carbon-lined bath of molten cryolite, Na3AlF6. Aluminium fluoride, AlF3 is also present to reduce the melting point of the cryolite. The mixture is electrolyzed, which reduces the liquid aluminium. This causes the liquid aluminium to be deposited at the cathode as a precipitate. The carbon anode is oxidized and bubbles away as carbon dioxide. The electrical current used by many smelters, has a very low voltage, but massive amperage. This is typically 3-5 volts, but 150,000 amperes."

    So now were back to greenhouse gasses and massive amounts of electricity.

  9. It is very clean relative to our current sources by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting
    According to anti-nuclear activists, a 1000 Megawatt nuclear plant produces 33 tons of waste per year.

    According to the Union of Concerned Scientists, 1000 Megawatt coal plant produces 250,000 tons of ash and 486,000 tons of sludge in a year.

    So on a strictly weight-for-weight basis, nuclear is over 22,300 times cleaner than coal per megawatt. The nuclear waste is also highly regulated with stringent disposal requirements (if our politicians will get off their duffs and decide on a place to put it). A large portion of the ash and sludge from a coal plant is simply disposed into the atmosphere or sent to landfills where it ends up in our lungs and our water.

    Yes, yes, everyone wants near-zero emission renewable energy. But given that that is currently not cost-effective enough to compete with coal, nuclear is a tremendously cleaner stepping stone that's available here and now, while we do the R&D to get the renewable costs down to where they're competitive.

  10. Re:It is very clean relative to our current source by gnuman99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just to add some information, the reference to how much waste a 1000MW nuclear plant produces is wrong. With reprocessing, most of the 33t of "waste" is reusable.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power#Reproce ssing

    So assuming just 90% is reused, that results in about 3.3t of actual waste. 3.3t at that densities is less than 0.5 cubic meter. That's one barrel of waste for 1000MW or 1GW power plant per year. And without reprocessing there is enough Uranium and Thorium for few hundred years. With reprocessing, there is enough for a thousand years or more. But then I'm sure we'll be able to come up with Shingle Solar Panels on every roof and fusion so no problem.

    PS. For the radiation worried crowd - the Chernobyl disaster actually *saved* the environment around that town. The no-go zone is now one of the best animal and bird sanctuaries in Ukraine and surrounding regions. Endangered birds are now gaining in numbers even having their nests *inside* (well, on the building, not where the core is :) the sarcophagus of the reactor! With this surprisingly great news, maybe the only way to save the Amazon is to dump nuclear waste all over it - sad but true.

  11. Aluminium takes masses of energy to "mine" by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative

    Aluminium is extracted via electrolysis and takes masses of electricity to produce. Hope you're adding this energy into your "zero sum".

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