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Surprising Further Evidence for a Wet Mars

Riding with Robots writes "When the robotic geologist Spirit found the latest evidence for a wet Mars, 'You could hear people gasp in astonishment,' said Steve Squyres, the lead scientist for the Mars rovers. 'This is a remarkable discovery. And the fact that we found something this new and different after nearly 1,200 days on Mars makes it even more remarkable. It makes you wonder what else is still out there.' The latest discovery, announced today, adds compelling new evidence for ancient conditions that might have been favorable for life, according to the rover team."

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  1. Looks like ... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... that gimpy wheel was a blessing in disguise. I think those little robots have been remarkable ... especially lasting years past their estimated '90 day' lives. If only the produce in my fridge could last that long past its estimated use date.

    1. Re:Looks like ... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      It does, you just have to alter its mission to adapt to the changes.

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    2. Re:Looks like ... by RealGrouchy · · Score: 5, Informative

      ... that gimpy wheel was a blessing in disguise

      While this does appear to be an interplanetary bug-as-a-feature, the rovers' wheels were actually designed to be able to scrape off the top layer of soil and expose what's underneath.

      Obviously, not to the degree this disabled wheel has, but still, they very much had plans to scratch below the surface of Mars.

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    3. Re:Looks like ... by Mistlefoot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Which is exactly what happened on Mars....albeit accidentally....

      From the article....the dead 6th wheel's new mission is as a plow of sorts.....

      "One of Spirit's six wheels no longer rotates, so it leaves a deep track as it drags through soil. That churning has exposed several patches of bright soil, leading to some of Spirit's biggest discoveries at Gusev, including this recent discovery. "

  2. Ok great... by lamegovie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now how about looking in places that will show us the existence of LIFE on Mars....like say in the polar ice caps or subterranean caverns? I dont think even MORE evidence that there was water on Mars would be that shocking...

    1. Re:Ok great... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think this means more.

      Ice on the poles, a given. Easy. There are even some moons who're thought to have it. This, though, means that there was water there, liquid water, in larger quantities, far from the poles. And this water could have been the engine for life. Long, long time ago, granted, but still.

      It's not that there was water, it's where they found it.

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  3. Re:Sand? by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a part of sand.

    Silica or Silicon dioxide, is the most common constituent of sand in inland continental settings and non-tropical coastal settings is silica, usually in the form of quartz because the considerable hardness of this mineral resists erosion. However, the composition of sand varies according to local rock sources and conditions.

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  4. Solvents by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    " ...ergo there must be water."

    TFA concludes that water had to be present as a solvent. I'm sceptical.
    Silica is a polar molecule ( tetraheral: two oxygen atoms and two unlinked electron pairs equally spaced around a silion atom ). It ought to dissolve in any polar solvent, such as ammonia. And ammonia was almost certainly present during the formation of mars.

    1. Re:Solvents by treeves · · Score: 4, Informative

      True. A good reason to put it in plastic bottles. It does dissolve, just very slowly. Stronger bases (think Liquid Plumr) dissolve it even faster, but it still is slow.

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  5. There's no crying in baseball! by Otter · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The newly discovered patch of soil has been given the informal name "Gertrude Weise," after a player in the All-American Girls Professional Baseball League, according to Ray Arvidson of Washington University in St. Louis, deputy principal investigator for the rovers.

    No offense to Gertrude Weise, but -- huh?

  6. Still more evidence... by jmtpi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...that robot/space telescope exploration gets you a lot more bang for the buck than trying to put a man back on the moon. Hopefully the next President will kill off this return to the moon business and start putting money into stuff like this again.

    1. Re:Still more evidence... by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep. I definitely didn't mean to suggest that sending humans to mars to do "good science" was the point of sending humans to mars. Nor should it be. I'd be terribly happy if no-one ever mentioned science the same sentence as the manned space program ever again.

      Hopefully the costs of manned space flight are coming down. alt.space is that crusade. Then all these heady justifications for why we need to spend so much tax payer money will go away too. If we're lucky, NASA's role in manned space flight will be completely transformed and science will finally be recognised as the secondary motivation that it always been.

      The purpose of manned space flight is not science. It's not spin-offs. It's not pork projects. It's not "national pride". It's not communications. It's not even about the limits to growth on our tiny planet.

      All that stuff is just reasons we make up to keep the population paying for it. We need these justifications to explain why someone who barely has enough money to make rent should be paying for a space station.

      The purpose of manned space flight is human unity. It's the global selfless dedication to a goal greater than all of humanity. It's what we learn science and build surplus economies to achieve. It's the purpose of being alive now. We need to get off this rock right now. We need to be more than just one planet. We need this so that we can look up at night and know there are people up there. Not just a scientist or two.. but an entire civilization.

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  7. Let's hope we don't find actual life there by GroeFaZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to the Great Filter theory, our chances of colonising other worlds before we go extinct would be diminished with every world we discover that contains life forms; and the higher evolved those life forms, the worse for us.

    The theory in a nutshell: There are a handful of steps life must go through, to the best of our knowledge, before a rotating disk of star dust can bear intelligent life that colonizes space and thus ensures its survival. The reason why we don't see life everywhere around us is that one of these steps is so improbable or difficult that only very few, if any, aspiring colonizers of space make it past that crucial step and go extinct. The question is, are we, homo sapiens, already beyond this step? If we never find alien life, chances are we have passed this point. For every life form we do discover, the probability that we yet have to reach this point increases.

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  8. Re:Sand? by Joebert · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nude beach?

    I hope not, women are from Venus.
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  9. Re:Gee, what a consolation prize by Jerf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bah, stop parroting nonsense and think for a bit. If humanity does survive another thousand years and spread across the stars with full mastery of genetics, biology, and technology, in nothing flat cultures will be so mutually alien in every way that it'll make Star Trek look like parochial, small-minded garbage, what with 100 little humanity clones running around.

    If we do survive and thrive, diversity will be the least of our problems.

    The old "loneliness of the stars" bit is as out of date as, well, Star Trek, as out of date as the idea that "crossing the stars" will be done in tin cans carefully coddling our meat sacks. That may have made sense to 1950s science, but it's obvious nonsense to anyone who uses 21st century science. It's going to be way stranger than Star Trek. You will pine for the days when it was as simple as Star Trek.

  10. Why so surprised by TekPolitik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't get why people keep being surprised that there's water on other planets. I would be surprised if there wasn't. With hydrogen and oxygen being two of the three most common elements in the universe with only helium in the middle, you have a simple compound made up of the two most abundant reactive elements in the universe. Given that hydrogen is so abundant, oxygen stands a good chance of finding hydrogen to bond with, and if it finds hydrogen it doesn't take much to get them to bond. Earth really isn't as special as people seem to want to make it out to be.