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The Palm OS Ends With a Whimper

PetManimal writes "Computerworld reviews the Palm Treo 755p, the last Palm device with the Palm OS, and concludes that the OS is going out not with a bang but with a whimper. The article says there are some useful improvements (better integration with Exchange and IM, limited speech recognition, etc.) but 'nothing that will make you sit back and say "wow."' Palm already has at least one device with Windows Mobile (the 700w) and soon will make a big push to Linux devices, maybe by the end of the year. But the Palm OS, which was top dog for a while back in the 1990s, and is still used by many people who own Palm Pilots or Treos, is going to quickly fade, it seems."

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  1. palm interface on a linux kernel? by User+956 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Palm already has at least one device with Windows Mobile (the 700w) and soon will make a big push to Linux devices, maybe by the end of the year. But the Palm OS, which was top dog for a while back in the 1990s, and is still used by many people who own Palm Pilots or Treos, is going to quickly fade, it seems.

    Ok, but what will the interface for those Linux devices look like?

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    1. Re:palm interface on a linux kernel? by moosesocks · · Score: 5, Funny

      vi.

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    2. Re:palm interface on a linux kernel? by yog · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Palm Linux OS is going to be "compatible" with Palm Garnet (current OS); thus, it should look and feel like a present day Palm with a compatibility mode for current apps. In this sense, the Palm OS is not going away. In fact, it's being supercharged for multitasking so we can do handy things such as, for example, run both wifi and cell phone at the same time on a future Treo.

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    3. Re:palm interface on a linux kernel? by jayratch · · Score: 5, Informative

      Had a nice bit of face time with a Palm product rep not long ago, got stuck at a table with him for six hours of a trade show. Bits of handy info:

      -The new Linux based system will be promoted as the next generation of Palm OS, as opposed to something completely different
      -Full backward compatibility will be retained for legacy palm apps, which accounts for 90% of Palm's loyal userbase
      -Multithreaded preemptive multitasking will fix the stability issues that arose from cramming phone and email push functionality into a single task 68k-based OS

      One could suggest that this is similar to the Mac OS X upgrade from 9.x.

      They are talking Intel for the platform, same as the latest generation of, well, everything. Processor should be in the 400mhz neighborhood.

      The direct goal is to maintain classic Palm "look and feel" plus compatibility, but with... well, stability. And Power.

      Once this platform rolls, Windows Mobile will, by my reckoning, be the only remaining platform NOT based on some flavor of *nix, unless you actually count Symbian and Blackberry as platforms...

      (yes, at least in a distant, hypothetical, degrees of separation NT derived sorta way, even Vista has *nix roots)

    4. Re:palm interface on a linux kernel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Once this platform rolls, Windows Mobile will, by my reckoning, be the only remaining platform NOT based on some flavor of *nix, unless you actually count Symbian and Blackberry as platforms..." Sorry but not only is Symbian a platform, it is, in the mobile realm, "the" platform, accounting for about two-third of the sales of all things smartphones worldwide.
      It is open, i.e. it has a standard, public SDK. Hence it is a "platform" (as opposed to mobile Linux phones whose SDK are usually neither public nor standard).

      So if you were talking specifically about mobile platforms, I could say that, once this platform rolls, by my reckoning, the new PalmOS will be the only major open platform based on some flavor of *nix, unless you count Linux feature-phones as platforms... (-:

      -Smiley
    5. Re:palm interface on a linux kernel? by DMoylan · · Score: 5, Informative

      mod parent up.

      symbian has recently announced the sale of 100 million series 60 devices.
      http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/5198_One_ Hundred_Million_S60s.php

      that does not count series 40 or series 80 devices which make up a huge market in them selves.

      last year 2006, 80 million smart phones were sold. symbian had 38 million of those. they are the market.
      http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/4969_Ever y_other_smartphone_sold_ac.php

      now if i could only learn python on my nokia e61.

  2. Re:Out with a bang? by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

    I take it your development team never went on a 7-day cocaine/hooker orgy and deleted all the source code?

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  3. What's the status of handwritting recognition? by oni · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To anyone who owns a modern PDA, how fast can you write? I've went through two Palms (no pun intended) and two handspring visors back in the late 90's and I loved them - but more importantly, I could enter text at least twice as fast as anyone I knew who had a WinCE device.

    Has that changed?

    1. Re:What's the status of handwritting recognition? by Kamokazi · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes. Windows had a Transcriber, Letter Recognizer, and Block Recognizer. You can get it to behave just like Palm Grafiti if you would like it to...the transcriber is very customizable...it will recognize words and phrases, but you can set it to reconize single letters if you would like. There is also a great 3rd party app called Caligrapher you could try too.

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    2. Re:What's the status of handwritting recognition? by 5pp000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Forget handwriting recognition. Fitaly, a tap-optimized virtual keyboard, is much faster -- in my experience, at least twice the speed of pen and paper. And while it's neither as fast nor as accurate as touch-typing, it's plenty good enough to make it unnecessary to carry around one of those folding keyboards.

      I've used Fitaly on a Tungsten T3 to take voluminous notes at multi-hour seminars. It's that good. I wouldn't even think of going back to Graffiti.

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  4. Why Does It Have to Go Out With A Bang? by okmijnuhb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole point of palm OS was that it delivered what was needed with simplicity, and no bloat, like it's rival at the time Windows CE.
    A simple to do list, contacts, calendar, a memo pad was the core of the experience, and allthat you needed a PDA to do.

  5. The OS doesn't matter... by rdean400 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly, should anyone really care? If the next-generation Palm operating system is based on a Linux kernel but has the capability of running Palm OS apps in an emulation mode, should we care about what code base it runs on?

    OS's aren't like people or pets. They're tools. When you've outgrown them, you can either upgrade them or find a new one. Obviously Access has no interest in updating the PalmOS, so Palm has to go its own way. I personally hope that they deliver new capabilities on Linux while retaining the simplicity of the Palm interface.

  6. Re:Sad by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Funny

    I recently had my Zaire die and tried to find a replacement but nothing availible came close.

    No worries; just replace it with a Congo!

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  7. May It Rest in Agony! by jinxidoru · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have found that many people do not share my point-of-view with regards to Palm OS, but I must personally say that I hated it. The interface was easy enough to deal with as a user, but as a developer, it was a nightmare. I am so glad to see Palm OS go and be replaced with Linux.

    There were so many problems with the OS design. I could not understand why you would build an OS that lacked any sort of filesystem. Instead, they had a very crappy database-esque system from which you could retrieve data. You couldn't simply load a file onto the system, it had to be loaded into the database and accessed using their bass-akwards method of database access. Be aware, we're not talking SQL here.

    Another thing that was horrible was their lack of long-jumps. I had previously never had to specifically arrange the order of my object files in a link statement to avoid jumps further than 64k. There were times where I actually had to create functions that did nothing but call a later function so that I could make code jumps to functions further than 64k away. That made using the STL basically impossible (some would not consider this a loss, I do).

    Then you add in the ridiculousness of having to define UUIDs for programs. So, anytime you wanted to write any sort of small application, you had to register a 32-bit number (less actually) with Palm. There are better ways to do this. We don't live in the 70s anymore.

    Ugh! There are so many other problems. I just had to get this off my chest. Once they do this, maybe I'll go get a new Palm. I was never able to bring myself to buy a Windows CE device, but I have longed to have another PDA. Hopefully, these new Linux systems will be what I am looking for.

    Of course, it has been years since I programmed anything on Palm OS (version 5, I believe). So, for all I know, they fixed all of these problems and I will be the recipient of a massive amount of flame.

  8. Dear Palm: Want to go out with a bang? by merc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Open source PalmOS.

    Seriously.

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  9. Windows Mobile would also have died... by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    if it had to make a profit to stay alive like Palm did.

    Windows CE/Windows Mobile was running at a huge loss, but has now broken even. Tactics like that do tend to allow you to destroy traditional competition in the long run. Linux-kerneled devices are growing faster than ever and MS does not have a recipe to destroy them.

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