Where Do You Go For Linux Training?

Spritzer writes "I work for a rather large corporation with multiple divisions around the world. Nearly all user computers in the company are Windows systems, and there is no plan to move to Linux in the future. However, a good many of our products are now designed to run on Linux systems for security and stability purposes. Obviously, the design/development teams are knowledgeable in the use of Linux operating systems. Unfortunately my field service teams are not, and their is no in-house training program. This has begun to affect our ability to provide efficient, quality service to customers when in the field. So, we need training and would prefer to stay away from online, self-paced courses and get our people some hands on training with an instructor. What training services have you used in the past to get people trained in the basics of using?"

Comments

Red Hat offers hands-on training

[Anonymous Coward]

At lots of locations in North America.

https://www.redhat.com/training/

SCALE in Feb!

[Anonymous Coward]

The Southern California Linux Expo is a great traing event for Linux and OSS platforms.

Google

[El-Wrongo]

Where else?

Re:Google

[vga_init]

That pretty much sums up the experience that 90% of use have had with Linux.

Empirically

[Eddi3]

If you really want to be proficient with an OS, the only way to really do it is through experience. In school, I took a class where I learned how to use MS Office (I've been to hell and back a few times), and after the semester, do you really think I understood how to use it?

Same goes for Linux. The only reason I know how to use it (fairly) well is because I've been using it for a few months.

I suggest you have your teams just start trying stuff and looking online (I know, I know) for reference.

Eddie

It's really quite simple

[Jazzer_Techie]

I suggest sending a large number of emails liberally sprinkled with the phrases "RTFM" and "n00b". It works wonders on my mailing list. I haven't listened to a single complaint.

(It's a joke. Laugh)

Re:It's really quite simple

[suv4x4]

(It's a joke. Laugh)

All right! Typical Linux user attitude. We need to laugh at it since it's an open source joke, not because it's funny, right.

(It's an OS. Use it.)

Now that's a joke too, but you may chose whether to laugh at it, or go sell yourself to the networks and watch some quality comedy :P

IBM

[Datamonstar]

IBM offers Linux and UNIX training, but it's pricey, like everything IBM carries.

Re:IBM

[donaldm]

There are many commercial organisations offering training in Linux and prices vary enormously, however from my personal experience I have found Redhat courses are excellent but pricey since you get both theory and hands on fault finding because the instructors do break your software and it is your job to fix it. It must be stressed that all the theory in world is not going to help you much unless you develop a comfortable attitude to faultfinding.

In my opinion the best way of learning Linux is to get a "dull bleeding edge" distribution like Fedora or even OpenSuSE and install it on a laptop. I will guarantee you are going to have issues however there are many forums that can help. In doing this you will either learn or just give up in disgust and if this is the case you can forget about the "bleeding edge" distributions which would be the next logical step after feeling comfortable with something like Fedora.

When picking a forum to subscribe to pick one that is about the same level or just a little higher (can be hard to judge) as your current expertise but please don't go to the advanced forums and bug the people there. In fairness to advanced users who will say "RTFM first" they are more interested in advanced or complex issues than trying to help a new user who wants to know how to "list files". Visualise yourself in the position of someone who has all the kids in the neighbourhood coming round to ask you how do you add 2 plus 2 and you can see why an advanced user is standoffish to new users.

Please note there are a huge number of Linux distributions, some easier and others harder to maintain. Just about all are almost boring to install. You do need to do some reading (ie RTFM before asking) and decide what path you wish to follow, keeping in mind that if one distribution does not work or is too hard for you there are many others that may be more suitable and the cost to you is minimal.

If you want to work on commercial Linux try CentOS which basically is Redhat. The latest version now has Xen setup to make virtualization much easier so you can play with more unstable distributions without having to blow away your base OS.

From what I have read and heard Ubuntu is the most stable Linux for the desktop. This is a excellent way of having a stable base OS and you can still use Xen to install and play around with other Linux distributions. I have heard that you can even install Open Solaris under Xen and this can be a very marketable skill in the future.

Oracle University Offers Linux Training

[stoolpigeon]

When I took my last Oracle class, the instructor told me they were finalizing a new set of Linux classes. I just hopped over to their web site and did a search on linux and it came up with a few classes they offer.

All the classes I have taken from them have been for the database, or Peoplesoft. They all were built around hands on labs with instruction. They are not cheap. My last RAC class cost $3700 for 5 days.

I can't recommend the Linux classes, as I have never taken them, but just thought I would mention that they are out there. I don't know about availability location wise either, but I would assume that eventually they will be available wherever Oracle training is available - which should mean choices in many countries.

Re:Oracle University Offers Linux Training

[CastrTroy]

Very believable. I took a 5 day VB course back when I was a student and it cost $2000 (paid by my coop employer). That's why I think it's best to just have the people sit down and read a book. I could have learned everything that I learned in that class by just sitting down and reading a book, with some free time to try out the stuff I was reading about. Give somebody a book ($100) and 5 days where you don't bug them at all, and you will be surprised how much they can learn. I don't see why companies would pay $3700 + the person's salary for them to learn something when they can buy a book and spend $100 plus the person's salary to have them learn the same thing. Plus they can reuse the book when someone else needs to learn the same thing.

man(1)

[dos]

man(1) and their sister organizations apropos(1) and whatis(1) meet most of my training needs. Sometimes I have to go to their less organized competitor /usr/share/doc, or the overly bureaucratic info(1), but most of the time all I need is man(1), man.

Re:man(1)

[Beolach]

For actual learning purposes, I very much agree w/ you. The problem is though, training is as much or more (IMO MUCH more) for the gaining of credentials as for learning. I've been running Linux exclusively on all my personal boxen for several years now, and pretty much everything I've wanted to do I've been able to learn how to do. But I haven't had any "official" training, and I have no certification or credentials, so whenever I look at postings for jobs that really interest me, I feel like I'm under-certified. I might actually have a shot at acceptance to some of them, but between my feeling of being unqualified & my innate laziness, I haven't yet bothered to really go for any of them. Various things (mostly low pay & my current job being in MS Windows shop) are currently prompting me to reconsider doing some active job hunting, so I might put whether or not I'm qualified to the test.

On the other hand, part of me thinks I really should do some official training to get certifications before starting a serious job-hunt. I really ought to go back to school and get a bachelor's degree, but there's so much time & money required for it that I don't want to. There are of course simpler test-certifications, some of which I could pass w/out needing any additional training, but while they don't require as much time, I'm still too much of a cheapskate to be comfortable paying for them, especially as they aren't worth as much as a B.S.

This has gotten a bit longer than I intended, really all I intended was to agree that for learning, reading easily obtained free documentation is usually enough; but for useful employment-wise credentials, I get the feeling they're almost worthless.

I go to the man

[markov_chain]

...pages, of course!

Re:I go to the man

[WebCrapper]

This comment may sound funny/stupid, but it's true.

I personally bought 1 book, used Google a lot and dug through man pages to learn. Figuring out things for themselves is the key.

A training company will teach them a few things and they'll come out knowing enough to be dangerous. Give them a virtual server on their computer of what they'll be working with (show them how to backup the image and restore it on their own) and then give them a few scenarios that you all get on a normal basis. After they break the machine within 20 minutes (rm -r *...SHIT!), restore it and they'll start learning to be more careful.

Re:IBM for Free

[felixdzerzhinsky]

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/lpi/101.ht ml?S_TACT=105AGX45&S_CMP=LPLINUX and www.lpi.org

Get to like rice

[extrasupermario]

I thought I was pretty good with dozens of system installs of Redhat 6 through 9 but it wasn't until I got through a couple of Gentoo installs that I felt my linux skill set was worth a damn. Say what you want about Gentoo but as a Linux learning tool, there is nothing better. Their documentation is first rate and much of what you learn by installing Gentoo carries over to every other Linux flavour.

You must be kidding!

[xtracto]

How can you suggest that a company which might have thousands of employees should let them train for such skill as Linux admin/setup "Empirically"? Empirical learning is OK for the mom-basement geeks which might just put their web server online. What are they going to do? are they going to give the guys 2 daily hours to mess around with some computers? uh, *great* use of time (and money).

I would definitely suggest getting some formal (read *real*) training. As others have stated in the thread, there are lots of Linux certification programs. What companies usually do (at least the ones I have been which does not have a lot of money to send 100 monkeys to learn about X or Y technology) is to choose 2 or 3 people and send them to take a course and certificate on the technology (some kind of Linux administrator cert. on http://www.lpi.org/ for example) and then arrange some time to let these guys teach the other people in your place. That way you will have a structured plan of learning.

Of course you may want to have practical sessions (to "try stuff and look online") but you will know what to try and look. I can just imagine a chemist going to the laboratory to "try stuff" in order to learn about the effects of nitroglycerin when combined with different reactants...

If you are a lone consultant, sure just google your way to get this new set of knowledge (of course do not get pissed of when the guy who has the Red Hat Certified Engineer cert. gets your job...). But for big companies, you'd better get real training (to justify the time/money you will be spending).

Re:You must be kidding!

[jguthrie]

What you're supposed to get in college is education, not training. The difference being that an education is not directed toward a specific purpose, while training is all about learning a particular set of skills. Education is supposed to increase your broad knowledge level while training is supposed to make you able to do some specific thing. My opinion is that education is important, but most training is pretty useless for me. Although other people find formal training to be quite useful, the utility I get from it lies mostly in the training materials, which I can refer to when I actually get to the point of doing real work.

LinuxZoo

[4D6963]

Well, I don't know if it's pertinent, but LinuxZoo can be helpful when you wanna learn..

Linux Professional Institute

[TuxThePenguin2205]

http://www.lpi.org/

TIC

[SimonTheSoundMan]

I go to http://www.tic.ac.uk/ (Technology Innovation Centre) in Birmingham, UK. They have a RedHat an Sun Academy for Linux training. It's also the central training centre for CISCO for the world apart except the Americas.

Re:One Place to Go

[Heir Of The Mess]

Why is this modded funny? This is damn straight advice. 5 years ago I had a short term contract to write some QT stuff on Linux. I think it was redhat. I hadn't used Linux before but I read the manual that was in a PDF file and away I went. Most of the stuff you need to know to get around Linux is in the manual. It's not that hard. Like what did people do when the first got their hands on a C64 or Amstrad 6128 or an Amiga 500? They read the manual. How did people learn to use Lotus 123? They read the manual. What is it these days that people can't read instructions? Goddam if everytime I needed to learn something on my job I had to go to a course I would forever be in training. What do I do most of the time? I RTFM. Why is RTFM such a common expression? Because it's good advice. Of course adding a bloody link would help.

Hey I just found a useful link here http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux now go RTFMs....n00bs! :-P

Starnix in Canada and the North-East

[davecb]

http://www.starnix.com/ who are one of the sponsors of Linux Professional Institute (LPI)

--dave