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Boys with Longer Ring Fingers are Better at Math

slashthedot writes "While it is well known that boys have longer ring fingers as compared to index fingers, now some researchers say that the longer the ring finger ratio to index finger, the better boys are at math. In girls, the shorter the ring finger to index finger ratio, the better is their verbal skills. 'The link, according to the researchers, is that testosterone levels in the womb influence both finger length and brain development.'"

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  1. 2 girls for every boy by SPickett · · Score: 5, Funny

    The beach boys gave boys all the math they'll ever need. And, it isn't related to the index finger or ring finger, but rather to the finger in between.

    1. Re:2 girls for every boy by paleo2002 · · Score: 2, Funny

      My middle finger is an inch longer than my index finger. What does that mean?

    2. Re:2 girls for every boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      My middle finger is an inch longer than my index finger. What does that mean?
      That you're very bad with a fillet knife.
  2. Fantastic! by codesurfer · · Score: 5, Funny

    A little different that my usual pickup line, but what the heck!

  3. ATT: Mathbots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have a huge cock.

    Nature saw fit to bless some of us more than others, enjoy your prime numbers nerds!

    1. Re:ATT: Mathbots by suv4x4 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have a huge cock.
      Nature saw fit to bless some of us more than others, enjoy your prime numbers nerds!


      Hi, I'm a prime number nerd [adjusts glasses]. Actually having a huge male sex organs could lead to great difficulty making sex with most women. It may not enter fully, and requires significantly more foreplay than average to average-big organs. Also statistics show that girls normally don't enjoy pushing their ovaries in their throat during sex.

      Therefore, I must conclude it's better to have long fingers, as they not only make you better at math, but better at playing piano. Both of which could lead to a better financial situation, and every nerd knows it's easy to score if you're rich, while it's much harder to score waving your wang around and pointing out how big it is.

    2. Re:ATT: Mathbots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      my prime: 611111111113
      your prime: 6113

    3. Re:ATT: Mathbots by y86 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Therefore, I must conclude it's better to have long fingers, as they not only make you better at math, but better at playing piano. Both of which could lead to a better financial situation, and every nerd knows it's easy to score if you're rich, while it's much harder to score waving your wang around and pointing out how big it is.

      It depends where you go and the womans objectives...

    4. Re:ATT: Mathbots by BakaHoushi · · Score: 4, Funny

      In the GP's defense, a woman won't try to kill you and take your wang afterwards... ...At least, not that I've ever heard of.

    5. Re:ATT: Mathbots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Prime enlargement pills.

    6. Re:ATT: Mathbots by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hear that taking v1111111agra will do that.

    7. Re:ATT: Mathbots by anagama · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If rich wives don't really love their husband why is that?
      She's a dishonest prostitute. The man who wins is the one who doesn't marry and visits with honest prostitutes. Probably cheaper and more fun in the long run.
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    8. Re:ATT: Mathbots by BeanThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The type of men women want to fsck and the type of men they want to "settle down with" tend to be two different types of men. The type of man who can provide the mansion with the pool is probably working damn hard, so is hardly ever around, and will almost certainly have far less (sexual) energy than her especially if she is not working but hanging around at home bored (with the pool guy conveniently nearby). A pool guy on the other hand will never make enough money to be the one she wants to "settle down with". Different needs ... she 'settles for' the [possibly nice] guy with cash for financial security but still wants the hunky bad-boy's genes for her offspring and to have fun with. Some women will try to get the best of both worlds and hope not to get caught. Society pretends otherwise but woman also often have polygamy desires like men, they just exhibit them differently and more selectively. I wonder how many families would be broken up if everyone's children were suddenly forced to do paternity testing. Men, whether you're the pool guy or the rich guy, just make sure you know the score and are getting what you need out of the situation you're in. OTOH if you're happily hooked up with a decent woman, all the better.

    9. Re:ATT: Mathbots by value_added · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hi, I'm a prime number nerd [adjusts glasses]. Actually having a huge male sex organs could lead to great difficulty making sex with most women. It may not enter fully, and requires significantly more foreplay than average to average-big organs.

      There is no difficulty, and they really don't mind. ;-) Trust me. I'm over 6' tall and have ... big hands.

      My ring finger, by contrast, suffers from being in the short category. The news of this study (or one identical to it) came out 6 months to a year ago, so I'm surprised to read about it here now. It caught my attention because I've studied and played classical guitar (that finger-picking style for those unfamiliar with it) for most of my life. When you play with "10 fingers", the ring finger is in the unenviable position of having to reach the string that's farthest away. The longer the ring finger, I assumed, the easier it was to play and by extension, the better the guitarist.

      It turns it out it's not much of an indicator of anything. Since first hearing about the study, I embarked on a study of my own, starting with guitarists, and then extending to just about everyone I met or saw. It's easy to examine someone's hands without being obtrusive, so don't get the idea that I carried around a notebook and measuring instruments. My own observations from a sample set of what I guess would be at least a thousand individuals (most in person, but some on TV, video, pictures, etc.) was the following.

      Guitarists, even wickedly fast flamenco guitarists, don't typically have longer index fingers. I was surprised to note that many have hands that appear better suited to construction. The abilities we tend to associated with the male side of the brain (math, logical thinking, spatial perception) don't correspond either. Women that I know to have close to zero of those skills, often have longer ringer fingers. In fact, I've seen more women with longer ring fingers than than men. Men trained in computer science, engineering, or in the architectural fields likewise don't exhibit any similarities, aside from a frequent and obvious unfamiliarity with physical labour.

      There's been similar studies that suggest that too much or too little testosterone in the womb is related to sexuality, not enough testorone being associated with an exaggerated interest the performing arts, particularly Broadway show tunes. If that's the case, the athletes I know or have met must all be closet cases because I found few cases where any one of them had a longer ringer finger. Flaming queers, by contrast, typically don't have shorter ones. Go figure.

      I would like to believe there is a relationship; that would allow me play victim and say that I never became a concert guitarist because my hands were the wrong shape or size. My opinion is that this kind of "science" can be fun to read about and sometimes helps to make sense of the world around us, but in the end, it's a distraction and has no value at all.

    10. Re:ATT: Mathbots by BrokenHalo · · Score: 5, Funny

      The type of men women want to fsck and the...

      Hold it right there. I have met a few women in the course of my (relatively long in terms of Slashdot readership) lifetime who are happy and generous enough to go in for a jolly fuck here and there.

      But I have never, NOT EVEN ONCE, found a lady whose ulterior motive was to check my filesystems.

      Which, I might add, suits me just fine.

    11. Re:ATT: Mathbots by Nosferatu+Alucard · · Score: 2

      holy crap, mod parent up, I haven't laughed that hard in ages. Also, this one girl I'm courting is sexually active, but finds me to be better than any boyfriend she's ever had. I'm not well endowed, I just pay more attention to details. When we get to fooling around, I watch her reactions, I remember what sets her off, and I use that to my advantage. I don't have to be a sex god to please her, and she likes that. It's more foreplay, it's a lot of fun, and I'm not ripping her open just trying to get it in. Plus I make sure to move the niceties beyond the bedroom, and try to make her smile as much as possible. Even I'm proud of the compliments I get for my hard work, and it helps a LOT in the long run.

  4. Obligatory innuendo by BakaHoushi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Somehow, I doubt Freud's work would be as widely known if he had come up with "ring finger envy."

    In other news, men around the world replied to the findings with a cry of "Oh yeah? You should see my OTHER ratio." Women world around responded by placing their foreheads in their palms and sighing.

    1. Re:Obligatory innuendo by siriuskase · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not everybody starts counting with the number zero

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    2. Re:Obligatory innuendo by UncleTogie · · Score: 2, Informative

      The second finger is not the index finger (unless it is indicating displeasure like "Stone Cold" Steve Austin) and the fourth is not the ring finger but the pinkie.
      Depends if you're counting it by metacarpal bones. The numbering starts at 1, on the thumb, and the 5th is the pinky.... or that's what they teach in medical schools, anyway...
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    3. Re:Obligatory innuendo by Poromenos1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually Freud's "penis envy" doesn't mean what you think it means, but we managed to attach the label to something else! Bonus points to Freud for a catchy name.

      It originally meant the supposed reaction of a girl when she finds out she does not have a penis. I don't see what the big fuss is, though, most girls get penises later on in their lives, if only part-time. Mod me interesting for starting this post with psychology and ending with porn!

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  5. but by Butisol · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The ratio of men to women in mathematically intensive disciplines is purely the result of patriarchy, glass ceilings, canes as thick as thumbs, the porn industry, and enculturation via pink dresses and My Little Pony dolls.

    Clearly, government must start an expensive program of Grrl Computer Camps to lower this ratio.

  6. that's great by flynt · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let's just say that's not all we're better at.

  7. A longer middle finger by dattaway · · Score: 2, Funny

    adds up quickly to most people.

  8. Flaky? by timeOday · · Score: 4, Interesting

    OK, so they found a correlation. But it was a correlation they weren't looking for, correct? If I check for the existence of 20 different correlations with a 95% confidence interval, wouldn't I be likely to find one even if none exist? Somebody else would have to confirm this finding for me to give it any credence.

    1. Re:Flaky? by flynt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because the 95% confidence level means you are allowing a 5% chance of finding a correlation where one doesn't actually exist. This is called a Type I error in hypothesis testing. If you do 20 tests, each with a 5% chance of a type I error, the expected number of times that you incorrectly reject the null hypothesis is 1.

  9. F1nger en1argemnt by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dissatisfied with your r1ng f1nger? We can help you...

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    1. Re:F1nger en1argemnt by StarfishOne · · Score: 3, Funny

      R1ng? Where?!? My preciousssss!

  10. Testosterone levels? by Wicko · · Score: 4, Funny

    In which way does this affect brain development? If more testosterone = better brain development, well, then sexism just raised by 50%.

    1. Re:Testosterone levels? by Shados · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Different brain development, not better brain development.

  11. Meh by Jethro · · Score: 4, Funny

    The only way to truly know these things is through phrenology.

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  12. Verbal skills by uradu · · Score: 5, Funny

    > In girls, the shorter the ring finger to index finger ratio, the better is their verbal skills.

    Well, this obviously was written by a boy with an extremely long ring finger then.

  13. Finger length can predict ... by canUbeleiveIT · · Score: 3, Interesting
  14. Why do they still do these studies?? by Chineseyes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The only thing these studies ever seem to accomplish is to piss off certain groups of people.

    Black people get angry because there is a supposedly a correlation between being black and athletic prowess or being black and affinity for violent crime.
    Women get angry because there is supposedly a correlation between sex and mathematical skills.
    White males get angry because there is supposedly a correlation between being a white male and having an affinity for pedophilia. The list goes on and on and on.

    Do these studies have any purpose other than to get PHDs published and make people angry or are they actually useful? I'd love for someone to explain the usefulness of this study and others.

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  15. Re:ob. by 42Penguins · · Score: 2

    Hopefully, if there actually WAS a difference in intelligence based on skin, it wouldn't be hushed for fear of sounding racist/nazi/un-PC.

    But it probably would be: being diplomatic is more important today than finding the truth, right? I'm not saying that there is or isn't a difference, but any findings that support one WOULD be disregarded and/or attributed to the white supremacist agenda.

  16. Blast from the past by schnipschnap · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not only have we heard of this just last week (haven't we? My memory's really bad these days ;_;), but also in 2004. Unfortunately, that study claims almost the opposite of this one: researchers, programmers and men teaching mathematics and physics tend to have longer index fingers. So, WTF?

  17. I'd say by saibot834 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The more fingers you have, the farther you can count.

  18. And they call it "science"? by Anarchysoft · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...74 boys and girls aged 6 and 7....These differences are small but significant... That sample is not even close to large enough to take seriously. The test should have been done on adults, all of one gender and in a much larger pool with information on the genetic and racial history of the subjects. But even the starting premise that we're going to pin complex things like "depression, left-handedness, musical ability, and homosexuality" on slight differences in finger length ratio makes me hope that this psychologist doesn't have a lot of patients.
  19. Re:ob. by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But seriously. I'm not sure if this kind of research is ethically sound. Considering people could exploit this as a basic form of eugenics... how much more research like this should we be willing to tolerate? And what exactly was the goal of this study?

    Stopping research because people could conceivably use it for unethical purposes is a terrible idea. I'm no geneticist, but couldn't correlations we find like this help when we get deeper into genetic engineering by helping us isolate genes that produce a particular result?
  20. Re:ob. by Peyna · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The study itself can have merit. The problem is with people who take the study and seek to use it for other purposes.

    For example, a study like this could help explain why some people seem to be "better" at certain areas of study (not because they have longer ring fingers, or because they are a different skin color, but because of certain chemicals being present in certain amounts during development). In turn, such a discovery could potentially lead to a cure for dyslexia for example, or any other learning disabilities. At the same time, someone could try to take this research and say that it means we should not allow certain races to breed with each other.

    At what point does the power of a few idiots to use something for bad make it so that we ignore the potential benefits of research?

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  21. Re:Quick Question by Shados · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Humans are fairly interesting in how their social development probably has more impact on their abilities than their biological potential.

    In other words, the person with the best "brain" in the world could still end up as a druggy working at McD dropping out of school after failing, if they met the wrong people and made the wrong choices.

    In a similar way, I pick up maths lightyears faster than my girlfriend: except I gave up on applied maths after graduating, while she continued in that field: result, she's a lot better than me at it. My "body" is still better at maths than hers, but I'm not using it, thus the result. Simple as that.

  22. OTOH by ceeam · · Score: 4, Funny

    Boys extremely good in math tend to lack a ring on said finger.