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Russia Claims IP Rights In Manufacture of AK-47

Daniel Dvorkin writes "In the latest example of over-the-top intellectual property demands, Russia wants licensing fees for the production of AK-47s. According to first deputy prime minister Sergei Ivanov, the unlicensed production of Kalashnikovs (which have been around in very nearly their current form for 60 years) in ex-Soviet Bloc countries is 'intellectual piracy.' A giant but declining power starts demanding royalties on commonly used methods and materials that are widely understood, well known, and by any reasonable standard have long been in the public domain — does this sound familiar?" Wikipedia notes that the Izhevsk Machine Tool Factory in Russia obtained a patent on the manufacture of the AK-47 in 1999.

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  1. Pay or Die! by Howitzer86 · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is interesting. Russia... demanding IP? Wow. What are they going to do if their demands are ignored? Invade?

    1. Re:Pay or Die! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, they will change the manufacturing process to stop those dastardly internet pirates.
      Every single bullet on the planet will be recoded to stop working in old unpatched guns.

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    2. Re:Pay or Die! by linuxmeltz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nahhh, invading is sooo old school-- they'll just point some ballistic weapons your way and cut off your gas supply..

    3. Re:Pay or Die! by aesdesdesdes · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ok now what idiot is gonna be the first to try enforce the patents on the A-bomb?

    4. Re:Pay or Die! by Zero_DgZ · · Score: 5, Informative

      I suggest you brush up on your firearm facts before you try to rent an AK at the range. The AK-47 is 7.62x39. 7.62x54R is a full sized, rimmed rifle round chambered in the likes of heavy war rifles like the Mosin-Nagant, Dragunov, some variants of Mauser rifle, and so forth. Not only is a x54R ludicrously overpowered for the AK's operating mechanism, the case of the x54R is longer than a complete 7.62x39 cartridge. The two calibers aren't even close in terms of powder charge, bullet mass, or ballistics. The only thing 'similar' about them is that both will fit bullets down a 7.62mm bore and both are used by Russians.

      It is of note that 7.62x51 NATO will not chamber and fire in an AK (x39) or any x54R chambered firearm - The former because the NATO round is way too long to even remotely safely chamber, and the latter because the NATO round is shorter and not rimmed and will swim around in the x54R chamber, probably rupturing the case on ignition if the firing pin reaches the primer at all.

      Long rant made short: Don't try to sound smart on topics about which you know nothing. Check your facts; Hollywood isn't a source.

    5. Re:Pay or Die! by technos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My apologies, and thank you for the correction. I actually looked, and I am not only 100% wrong but you are 100% right.

      In my defense, I was remembering a conversation eight years past with a neighbor fifty years my senior. And hosing it. That or Sully hosed it in the first place, I'm not sure.

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  2. What do you want them to do? by wumpus188 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Open source it?

  3. Sounds fair to me by dattaway · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They got a patent. Doesn't matter who they bribed to get it. Its the law. Pay up.

    This is what we get for playing IP games and "owning" ideas.

    1. Re:Sounds fair to me by Pode · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Mod parent up for being exactly correct, this is precisely what we get for playing IP games. Unfortunately I can't source this from memory, but I read not long ago in international news coverage of this issue that Russians have essentially admitted this stance is a direct result of US diplomats in the back pocket of the MPAA raising hell about AllOfMP3.com and resisting Russia's application for membership in some international trade organization on the basis of unpaid royalties. Russia countered by demanding the US, as a member of said organization, abide by its IP laws and pay Russia royalties for all the AK's the CIA has had manufactured and distributed over the years. Russia doesn't want to collect money from Outer Bungholistan, they'd have to pay in goats anyway. It's specifically tit for tat with the US. If Russia has to pay royalties for US IP copied and distributed to US customers, the US should have to pay Russia for Russian IP copied and distributed to US puppets.

  4. No one would listen by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Take a good look at the countries that commonly use AK-47s. You're not likely to find a whole of big fans of intellectual property rights there.

  5. Prior art, etc. by ktakki · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From what I understand, Mikhail Kalashnikov based parts of the AK-47 design on various other weapons. The trigger group and bolt resemble those of the M1 Garand, and the pistol grip and gas assembly resemble those of the German StG44 (widely considered to be the first true assault rifle). [Source: AK47, Duncan Long, Paladin Press 1988] How much original content must a design have before it can be patentable?

    During the Cold War, at least a dozen Warsaw Pact and non-aligned countries produced copies and variants of the AK47, with the Soviet Union's tacit, if not overt, blessing. Even now, new AKs are being built by blacksmiths in Pakistan and US gunsmiths (the latter do this to comply with ATF regulations that prohibit import of receivers and assembled rifles).

    Now that the Cold War is over, Russia wants to get paid? I'd think that with all their oil and gas income, licensing fees would be a pittence by comparison.

    k.

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  6. AK-47 patent violations by David20321 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm glad I'm not the debt collector.

  7. Re:AK's are varied and spread far & wide by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Many countries make an AK-47-based assault rifle. That's because, for an assault rifle, it's important that it's reliable in the crappiest imaginable conditions, and in the hands of the laziest of the fighters.

    The best AK-47 variant is produced in Finland:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rk_62
    http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rk_62
    http://www.ak-47.us/Finland.php

    This weapon (RK-62) is widely considered to be the best assault rifle in general.

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  8. Re:Russia? No, the company. by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not directly familiar with Russian politics... but it might be. ;)

  9. Doesn't matter to me by brogdon · · Score: 5, Funny

    I get my weapons from allofrifle.com

    They say it's totally legal

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  10. Re:Not quite true... Urban legend time by russotto · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually, he wasn't. The US was funding a different set of Afghans versus the Soviets at the time (there were multiple groups fighting them), and bin Laden was getting his support from the Saudis and other Islamists. That's part of the reason he dislikes the US so much - we were funding his competition.
    But, but, but, but... that would mean that there's something that's not the US's fault. That's non-possible.
  11. Re:Controlling the Russian Beast by HiThere · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...The Russians make a mockery of the G-8 and its principles. This demand for licensing fees on supposed patents of a 60-year-old technology is the latest in a string of non-Western activities...

    That doesn't sound non-Western to me. I wish it did, but wishes don't make truth.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  12. Re:Update. by Cyberax · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, Izhevsk Machine Tool Factory (IZHevsky MASHinostroitelny zavod in Russian) IS Izhmash. It is still alive and well.

    I know this because my parents live in Izhevsk and work at Izhevsk Mechanical Factory (Izhevsky Mechanichesky Zavod) which makes hunting and sport rifles.

  13. Re:Controlling the Russian Beast by sanman2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What crap. Same old Russia-baiting BS. The US has gone out of its way to damage relations with Russia. Look at how Yeltsin's concentration of powers and suppression of political opponents was vigorously supported by the US -- just as long as he was dismantling Russia, the US didn't care. But as soon as someone isn't playing ball with Uncle Sam, then the diatribes start. Sorry, but there's no credibility in that.

  14. AK-47, Prior art and GPL by steveoc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Firstly, the AK-47 itself is a derivative of the excellent German Sturmgewehr MP44, which came into mass production at the end of WW2. The Mp44 used the same 7.92mm calibre round as other German weapons, but with a much shorter cartridge, since it was reasoned that most small arms combat took place at ranges under 400m, and so a huge long range charge was not required. The benefits of this were many - cheaper to make, more ammo could be carried, and the sustained rate of fire could be higher due to the lower muzzle velocity.

    So there is a strong case for prior art, with patents (?) already held by the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany.

    After this point, the AK-47 used a different manufacturing technique to greatly simplify the build compared to the MP44. However, these simplified blueprints are very very closely related to the Tokarev SVT. If you have ever stripped down an SVT, and compared this to an AK, you will see they are pretty much the same construction techniques, just in a different scale.

    Secondly - I dont know if anyone can remember 'The Soviet Union', but it was a communist state based on the ideals of Marxism, geographically located to the East of Europe. Its a 20th Century thing - ancient history. The 'rights' to the AK47 lie entirely with the Soviet state. NOT Russia - but the Soviet Union, which is a different animal entirely. Unless of course Mr Putin wishes to disagree ...

    Thirdly, being a Soviet state, the 'intellectual property' produced by that state belongs to the workers, and not just the workers who form part of the collective of that state, but all the workers of the world. The AK47 was, if you like, GPL'ed to the point where all workers of the world were free (even encouraged) to make millions of copies of the people's machine gun, and use this tool to overthrow their Fascist, Capitalist, Monarchist oppressors.

    So don't pay attention to the lawyers good people - if you find yourself slaving away 60+ hours a week to make other people rich whilst you can barely put food on your table - then by all means, get together with your comrades and build yourselves some AK47's. Anyone that denies you that basic right is a Capitalist oppressor and a Fascist invader of the Motherland.