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Safemedia's CEO Tells Congress He Can Stop P2P

palewook writes "Yesterday, Safwat Fahmy appeared in front of the House Science and Technology Committee. During Fahmy's testimony [PDF], he claimed Safemedia's "P2P Disaggregator" technology uses traffic-shaping systems and network-filtering systems that can destroy contaminated P2P networks. And their Clouseau product will make it impossible to send or receive any illegal P2P transmission on any installed network. However, Clouseau allows tunneling and SSH and never opens packets to determine file legality."

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  1. 'Bout time! by cowscows · · Score: 5, Funny

    Awesome! When he's finished with that, he can stop the AIDS epidemic in Africa, and stabilize Iraq. Then maybe next summer he can finally get that space elevator built using all the energy from the fusion power plant his company has just finished perfecting.

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    1. Re:'Bout time! by QuantumRiff · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cmon, This is just a software company.. they can't do all that.. but I heard they will ship Duke Nukem Forever by Christmas...

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    2. Re:'Bout time! by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Funny
      "I think while we're at it we should outlaw sporks since I might gouge my eyes out in a senseless act of violence. In fact, maybe we should just outlaw all computers, that'd stop copyright infringement right?"

      Not to worry. I'm immediately at work now, to invent a Cato program, that will periodically, and without warning...repeatedly attack his program.

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  2. Huh by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't lying to Congress illegal?

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    1. Re:Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Getting caught lying to congress is illegal.

    2. Re:Huh by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Isn't lying to Congress illegal?"

      I'm sorry but I dont recall.

    3. Re:Huh by stuntpope · · Score: 4, Funny

      Unless the President has full faith and confidence in you.

    4. Re:Huh by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Funny

      getting caught lying to Congress without paying requisite bribes and campaign contributions is illegal

    5. Re:Huh by miskatonic+alumnus · · Score: 5, Funny

      That depends on what the definition of "is" is.

    6. Re:Huh by Baddas · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pardon?

  3. Clouseau? What an odd choice for names. by smellsofbikes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Kato! Ze network is rrrrringing!" *thwack*
    Clouseau was a terrible detective: any success he had was purely by chance. I can't help but wonder if this is a joke, just based on the name.

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  4. Sounds like a perfect WMND (..network destruction) by SatireWolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How long after they conquer the internet with their traffic shaping devices until the company starts ransoming P2P media companies? What do you think will happen once they 'shape' a WoW patch and the entire world goes into catalytic convulsions pre-disposing a worldwide geek uprising?

  5. Hmmm. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the likely hood of this is about the same as the spam companies shutting down spam for good, or the virus companies ending viruses, or doctors ending illness.

    Basically, no chance in hell. The ingenuity of one little company pitted against every single person who wants them to fail? Look at AACS? Weren't they going to end movie piracy? How's that workin' for them?

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    1. Re:Hmmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Look at AACS? Weren't they going to end movie piracy? How's that workin' for them?

      AACS is an impenetrable fortress, standing against the efforts of our piratical enemies! Do not listen to reports that our encryption has been breached. Like golden armor, our DRM will never be broached, never tarnish, and never fail. These movie pirates will surrender or die. They will surrender, it is they who will surrender!

      - Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf,
      AACS Information Minister
  6. er, huh? by Hettch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    articulo dice: "..(it) will detect and prohibit illegal P2P traffic while allowing the passage of legal P2P such as BitTorrent."

    So wait, it blocks P2P sharing, but not BitTorrent, or it only allows legal torrents? If I'm reading this correctly, it assumes all bitTorrent is legal, so therefore allows it to pass. Isn't BitTorrent that majority of file-sharing anymore? I can't see this tool being extremely useful.

    1. Re:er, huh? by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What you have to remember is that even though bittorrent may be the most common peer-to-peer system, it's difficult to target because it IS being used for legal stuff (at least 0.5% of the time!).

      On the other hand (nearly?) every other p2p system is completely illegal, often sharing anything you happen to have on your pc, in some cases including stuff you don't want to share, and as most of them are stupid enough to use unencrypted packets and the same port every time, they are stupidly trivial to block.

      Add a little marketing spin (99% of illegal p2p = 99% of illegal p2p networks instead of 99% illegal p2p traffic for example), and a cool name and you have something you can sell to the government.

  7. Selling Congress snakeoil by grapeape · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What a crock. Even my mother knows that things can be distributed at different bitrates, different encoding and different formats. This has about as much of a chance of "solving" the vastly overstated p2p problem as I do of winning the lottery.

    1. Re:Selling Congress snakeoil by toleraen · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow, you're mother sounds kinda geeky. Does that mean she lives in her own basement?

  8. But it's not illegal per se... by jeffasselin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Peer to peer traffic isn't illegal, is it? File sharing isn't either.

    File sharing of copyrighted works is. But how does he know which P2P traffic to stop without examining the content? What stops us from just encrypting everything anyway? Or it's just going to stop all P2P traffic without caring about its legality? Wouldn't that actually be illegal?

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    1. Re:But it's not illegal per se... by radish · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Peer to peer traffic isn't illegal, is it? File sharing isn't either. File sharing of copyrighted works is.

      Pedantic correction: File sharing of copyrighted works without permission is illegal. The emphasis is important because pretty much everything is copyrighted but in many cases the public has permission to share (e.g. linux distros, game demos, CC licensed materials etc).

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  9. I haven't read TFA by niceone · · Score: 4, Informative

    But as the URL is www.zeropaid.com/news/8825/Anti-piracy+company+ testifies+before+Congress+that+it+can+eliminate+P2 P+at+Universities I think the summary might have left out some important information.

  10. P2P is not inherently illegal by kimvette · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don;'t even download TV shows (timeshifting, a legal use, albeit an untested/alternative form of timeshifting). I definitely don't download any music whatsoever - Instead of try-before-I-buy, i simply do not tempt myself any more, so I don't download music, I avoid listening to top-40 stations, and I don't and won't buy new music, aside from a select few acts I go out of my way to follow.

    However, I use P2P networks for downloading things such as Linux distributions, particularly opensuse and kubuntu. If P2P networks are broken up like this, they are interrupting totally legal activities and any ISP which engages in such traffic shaping should immediately lose their privileges/protections they enjoy as common carriers. By discriminating traffic they are no longer merely carriers deserving of protection against liability (for activities such as carrying terrorist communications, kiddie porn, and other illegal communications) because they are going out of their way to stop some illegal activities by blocking traffic, so they should immediately become responsible for blocking ALL illegal traffic. When a terrorist or pedophile or ebophile successfully sends illegal communications, the ISP should be held at the same level of responsibility as the purpetrators themselves.

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  11. Re:Congress? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doesn't Congress have other things they should be worrying about like the wars they allowed, Katrina,and the public infrastructure instead of worrying about business profits?


    Worrying about wars, Katrina or public infrastructure doesn't do nearly as much for the campaign war chest as worrying about business profits. I've said it once and I'll say it again (and again, and again...): if you want to know why things are the way they are in this country, follow the money.

    Aren't civil courts the ones set up to deal with things like this?

    Except that businesses don't like the civil courts. Civil courts cost them money. They are merely necessary evils. Criminal courts, OTOH, from the corporate perspective, are free. So why make laws like the DMCA, which, among other things, criminalizes some forms of copyright violation, within limits? Yup. Follow the money.

  12. Safe Media by Zironic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you go to the website of the people making the claim they can erase internet piracy you'll notice a few fun things.

    http://www.safemediacorp.com/Internet-Piracy/Dirty -Little-Secret.asp

    Basically it seems they are mostly targeting the mostly obsolete networks like Kaazaa, iMesh, Limewire and eMule. The fact that internet piracy has since moved on to the mostly legal bittorrent network seems to be lost on them.

    They also spout strange things like that the 2 billion songs sold on iTunes are being traded over P2P. I thought the point of iTunes was that it was heavily DRM'd?

    Read and enjoy :=)

  13. Re:Clouseau? What an odd choice for names. by sopuli · · Score: 5, Funny

    I heard that during his testimony Fahmy's left eye kept blinking uncontrollably and that at one point, while raving about Clouseau, he absentmindedly amputated his pinky while toying with his Leatherman.

  14. Re:Clouseau? What an odd choice for names. by Groovus · · Score: 5, Funny

    No kidding. I also find the irony of naming a tool for stopping copyright infringement after a fictional character from a movie/cartoon series which I'm surprised isn't trademarked in some way somewhat delicious.

    I guess it's a better name than Dreyfus though?

  15. Typo by Bob9113 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Typo in parent:

    Isn't lying to Congress illegal?

    It's a French word, easy to misspell. The correct spelling is, "de rigueur."

  16. Not intended to curtail intentional piracy by Chris+Daniel · · Score: 5, Informative

    The title is a little bit misleading; they're not talking about eliminating P2P altogether.

    The technology this fellow talks about in his testimony is pretty clearly intended to primarily protect users from doing things like sharing their entire hard drives (he names one example of a woman who shared a directory containing credit card information) and thereby becoming unwitting contributors to copyright infringement and identity theft. He comes right out to say that it doesn't target BitTorrent (even though everybody knows BitTorrent is used primarily for "piracy") at all, nor does it block tunnelling or encrypted traffic.

    Anybody who was trying to crack down on piracy in general would make a box that would effectively unplug the internet connection by blocking everything suspicious in the least. This is about curtailing inadvertent contributions to piracy and identity theft, to help better target the willing contributors (as he says, BitTorrent peers require identification and consent before participating in a network).

    Programs like Kazaa (I haven't used any of those for a while, so please forgive the lack of examples) often take users through a wizard to find things they want to share on the P2P network, or have a default of sharing all media files found, or worse, sharing the entire hard drive or user directory. Uninitiated users won't realise this, and might just want to download one or two songs -- they end up sharing their music collections with the world.

    This is about making it easier for the {RI,MP}AA and their government helpers to target the "problem users," and helping their image by cutting down on litigation against six-year-old kids, stay-at-home moms, and dead people.

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  17. Re:Sued merely for downloading? by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Catching the consumers is easier. Catching a producer takes a lot more effort because you're usually dealing with people that are adept at avoiding being caught. However, you can catch a few consumers, splash it on the front page, and people think you're actually solving the problem. See also: drugs, child pornography.

  18. Re:Clouseau? What an odd choice for names. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ed Felten wondered the same: see is Safemedia a parody?

  19. Yes, but that's what it's about. by twitter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I Can Stop Democracy

    If you can't have democracy without a free press, the above is correct. Destroying the internet won't stop "piracy", kiddie porn, or any of the other horsemen of the infopocolypse, it will only protect the corrupt from the truth. "traffic-shaping systems and network-filtering systems that can destroy contaminated P2P networks" are all the rage in China, and they could care less about music and movie sales. The free flow of information on the internet is starting to take it's toll on government and corporate propaganda. That free flow is the target of this and other attacks on the internet, because it makes corruption harder.

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