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Digital Camera Memory Card With Wi-Fi

thefickler writes "A Secure Digital memory card with built-in Wi-Fi networking will allow digital cameras to upload images automatically to home computers and photo-sharing web sites. This product of California-based company Eye-Fi is currently in beta and should be launched later this year. Would you pay $100 for a 2-GB memory card in order to save the hassle of plugging in a USB cable?"

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  1. $1.84 per month by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Assuming that my memory card or my current wi-fi or some other component will be obsolete in 5 years...$100 dollars amortized over 5 years at 4% comes to $1.84 per month. Heck, I tip more than that to have two burgers delivered to the table rather than get up and walk to over to the counter and get them myself.
    This is a no-brainer.

    1. Re:$1.84 per month by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, but what value does that $1.84/month give you over a regular 2GB SD card?

      A regular 2GB SD card costs between $15 and $34 (5 year amortized at 4% blah blah blah is $0.28 to $0.63 per month). Essentially the advantage this card adds is not having to get up off your ass and walk 10 feet across the room to get your camera if it's not next to the computer. To me, that's of very little value -- far less than $66-85, especially given how prone SD cards are to getting lost. Then again, this is just me, I'm sure to some people with fatter asses than myself this is a value worth far more than the price difference.

    2. Re:$1.84 per month by Linagee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you really think technology lasts 5 years?

    3. Re:$1.84 per month by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yes, but what value does that $1.84/month give you over a regular 2GB SD card?

      It could save wear and tear on the USB connection. My Olympus E20, a 5 MP DSLR, has a tiny USB connection which I sometimes use several times a day. Plug it in, grab the photos, eject the volume, unplug it, go back to what I was doing, do it again. Photography is a hobby; if I were serious about it, I'd use it more.

      The E20 is a few years old, and the jack is definitely getting loose, though it hasn't actually had a connection problem yet. It'd be nice to not have to worry about it, and use the jack for less common situations. Same thing goes for card readers. Pull the card, insert the card in the reader, read it, pull the card, insert in camera... wear. Wear and more wear. Plus a remote, but real, risk of ESD problems (High plains Montana.. dry as death during the winter, and even some parts of the summer.)

      My E20 has an infrared remote to fire the shutter. When I got it, I thought... I'll never use it. Ooops. I use it all the time. Not only does it allow rock-steady shots off a tripod (no physical contact), it saves wear on the shutter button, allows me the freedom to work more directly with the subject...

      I suspect that a wifi enabled camera might be more convenient than we might think. Wifi has a decent range, too, it isn't choked into 30 feet like bluetooth is. So I'd buy this, and I wouldn't doubt for a minute that it would improve my camera experience. Wouldn't it be cool if the camera could just be set to send the images back to your laptop on a continuous basis? By the time you got to it, it'd already have your stuff ready to look at. While you shoot, it uploads. Yummy! Now that I'd definitely pay for. And it's almost time for a new camera anyway. 5 megapixels isn't exactly top of the line anymore...

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    4. Re:$1.84 per month by mlush · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Essentially the advantage this card adds is not having to get up off your ass and walk 10 feet across the room to get your camera if it's not next to the computer. . You take all your photos within 10 feet of your computer? I'd suggest your working practices are somewhat atypical...

      especially given how prone SD cards are to getting lost. Then again, this is just me, I'm sure to some people with fatter asses than myself this is a value worth far more than the price difference. A WiFi SD card would not get lost because it would never leave the camera! If you leave the confines of your house you may find the notion of all your photos being automatically downloaded to a 100Gb protable media player in your bag very attractive indeed. With that sort of setup the main limit on shooting is the number of batterys you can carry.
    5. Re:$1.84 per month by curmudgeous · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A multi format memory card reader can be had for $20 to $30 dollars. Heck, you can even buy them as a direct replacement for that aging floppy drive for just a little more. Eject the card and read it directly to save wear and tear on the camera's USB port.

    6. Re:$1.84 per month by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful
      2GB will still be a fine size for camera memory cards 5 years from now. The mexapixel race has really slowed down, having achieved ample resolution for normal-sized viewing and also approaching physical limits for both sensors and lenses. And once you can store several hundred photos (even approximately 200 RAW files), that's plenty for most people most of the time.

      I think there are bigger threats to this product: first, built-in wireless (be it WiFi, bluetooth, or wireless usb) will become standard and practically free; and second, a fixed-size built-in memory might become the norm as the price of the memory falls below what justifies modularity.

  2. WiFi on Cellphones by FromTheHorizon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Could this be used to add WiFi to a cellphone with an SD slot? That would be cool...

    1. Re:WiFi on Cellphones by hamoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You could download images and upload ring tones I suppose...

  3. Security? by uolamer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course this product seems to provide convenience and has many applications. I just dont see it being that secure, once you take in account of how 'ignorant' the average person is about security. actually it sounds just fine, please start selling them asap, im bored.

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    1. Re:Security? by ettlz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is a very reasonable gripe. I've secured my network with WPA-Enterprise, and as far as I know none of those fancy wireless-enabled devices (cameras, games consoles, print servers, etc.) support EAP-TLS authentication (where do I store the certificate?). It's a nuisance.

  4. My Wi-Fi by dotslashdot · · Score: 5, Funny

    My Wi-Fi is much better with memory than me; that's why I married her.

    1. Re:My Wi-Fi by JonathanR · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hope she's got her MAC filter active, else she'll allow connections you might not be so keen on.

  5. Privacy Risk by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My immediate thought was relabling one of these so it appeared to be a non-WiFi card. Then, if one could handle the software/virus end of it to force the device to transmit stuff without the owner's knowledge, you would be able to observe and/or steal any and all images from a camera or hijack a cellphone that used it, etc.

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  6. $100 for 2GB --- absolutely by inflex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Biggest hate I have with cameras is having to move that card in/out, not to mention stupid events like racing off with the camera without remembering to put the card back into the cam *sigh*, or forgetting to umount the 'drive' etc etc, so yes, a tiny $100 for 2GB is well and truly worth the gains (for me).

  7. Better Security Cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It there is an easy way to trigger the camera into taking a picture, then maybe you could make a security camera system that had better resolution, auto-focus and etc, than the incredibly crappy cameras used in most systems.

    1. Re:Better Security Cameras by Cancel-Or-Allow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A cheap 3.1MP consumer digital camera for under $100 can do 2048x1536.
      Now, I agree the real purpose-built security cameras have their place in their 0.6MP glory, but having a 3-7MP camera snap a photo every time something moves could yield a whole heck of a lot more in detail. Might actually get the bad guys caught. Hook it up to a motion sensor, enable the flash, cue up some swanky techno mp3s, then let the burglars have a disco or rave while they rob your place. The more cheap camera's the better!

      Do your cameras do this? And can I do it for less than $500 and yield twenty-seven 8 by 10 colored glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explainin' what each one was?
      I would like to see some links, cause google isn't turning them up.

  8. Selective market by Devil's+BSD · · Score: 3, Informative
    Assuming I'm reading this correctly... there already is a market for cameras with built-in wifi. Canon has a few models; one that comes to mind is the SD430. Nikon also has a few models. Even Kodak has an SD-sized Wifi adapter. I am also aware of adapters for professional high-end cameras, i.e. the Canon WTF-E1.

    It's a selective market because not everyone will be able to take advantage of the full benefit. If you are a corporate photographer, for example, it might be nice to be able to have your photos automatically uploaded to your network share as you snap photos at board meetings and whatnot. On the other hand, I don't think Wifi will do you much good on your African Safari trip.

    All in all, this article is just another slashvertisement. Just another company probably trying to get the word out about their new product - hardly anything revolutionary. The market already exists, it is a niche market, and no, I will not be paying a hundred f**king dollars for it.

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  9. Bah, I don't need no USB cable by MelloDawg · · Score: 2, Informative

    My SD card has USB built-in:

    http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Item(1853)-SDSDPH- 2048-SanDisk_Ultra_II_SD_Plus_USB_2GB.aspx

    This solution seems alot simpiler than Wi-Fi: no SSID/WEP/WPA/etc stuff to configure.

    Funny, people are usually more impressed by my SD card than my new Nikon DSLR.

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  10. Wifi is highly overrated... I'd rather bt+3g by dfn_deux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd much prefer an SD card with a bluetooth adaptor built in that could leverage the 3G wireless internet connection which is the true core of the PAN (Personal Area Network) that is always touted as being the logical goal of the bluetooth architecture. I mean really, BT chipsets are far more optimized for power than wifi and comes with far fewer limitation as to the connections it can make. Let the devices choose the path of least resistance to the internet, be it tunnel over a phone, pda, laptop, or whatever the marketplace has in store next.

    honestly I think that the working group that came up with BT designed it for exactly this sort of purpose. It'd be stupid not to also use this type of integration between PAN components to further enhance the meta data richness of the content created by the camera. GPS, PDA, camera, 3gphone, and headset sounds like a pretty good recipe for being your own gargoyle. I for one wouldn't mind being able to publish video, photo, sound, and location data at a moment's notice directly to the internet. If we are bound to live in surveillance state I'd sure like to get a good grip on the technology before Big Brother does.

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    1. Re:Wifi is highly overrated... I'd rather bt+3g by amorsen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bluetooth is so slow it's useless. Headsets need more bandwidth, so you can't get decent bluetooth headsets. File transfer, forget it. Internet access -- even 3G is faster than bluetooth, so forget that too.

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    2. Re:Wifi is highly overrated... I'd rather bt+3g by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I get about 64KB/s from Bluetooth. I'm transferring a load of pictures from my phone camera with it now. They're only about 3-500KB each, so about a tenth the size of a modern stand-alone camera. It takes a few seconds for each one, but it's very low power and is much more convenient that removing the memory card. I wouldn't call Bluetooth completely useless.

      The main advantage of Bluetooth is that it defines a complete protocol stack. I can transfer files from my phone to my computer because they both support Bluetooth; in this case the object exchange profile, although the file transfer protocol is better if I wanted to pull them, rather than push them, from the phone. With WiFi, you need to additionally define a load of protocols on top. Do you use IP (v4 or v6) on top of the ethernet? What do you use at the application layer? SMB? HTTP PUT? WebDav? NFS?

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  11. Not the memory card... The device! by FredDC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it is a great idea to be able to wirelessly transfer data from devices such as cameras. But I think it's the wrong approach to equip the memeory cards they use with wifi. The devices themselves should have wifi capabilities, and I do see this coming in the near future. Equipping memory cards with wifi is a nice way of making existing devices wifi capable but it's not something which will be usefull in the future as more devices become wifi enabled.

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  12. I was a beta tester by evw · · Score: 5, Informative

    I used a beta version of the product and really enjoyed it. I thought it was at its best in a "digital party" social scene. It's a lot of fun snapping pictures at a party and having them immediately uploaded where they can be displayed on a big screen and shared with everyone.

    The version I tested could be configured (using a computer app while the SD is mounted) to automatically upload to Flickr, Phanfare or a long list of other photo sharing sites. I believe they also had a version that would upload to your PC but I wasn't testing that.

    Setup for the card was done using a PC. The camera is oblivious to the WiFi capabilities. On the plus side the card can be configured to connect to any of the networks that your computer knows about. On the negative side, I think you need the computer to add new networks.

    1. Re:I was a beta tester by garcia · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's a lot of fun snapping pictures at a party and having them immediately uploaded where they can be displayed on a big screen and shared with everyone.

      I use a mobile device and am uploading pictures almost immediately to my own gallery where ever I am. I need to have E/GPRS and the camera's image quality sucks. For me to be able to upload the same photos to my gallery from nearly wherever I am (with wireless available -- which in this day and age is fairly frequently) would be sweet.

      That is EXACTLY what I'm looking for. For the commenter that it's a "selective market", I can't disagree more. It's just that people aren't accustomed to that kind of ability and obviously aren't aware of the advantages.

  13. Or... by BooleanLobster · · Score: 4, Funny
    ... surf the net with your camera!

    I can't wait until they make an eggbeater with a built in webcam. Or a BlueTooth-enabled flashlight.

    This reminds me of the marketing guy talking to Dilbert: "It has to have a 47'' screen and still fit in a purse or wallet. It has to act as a communications satellite as well as an air freshener. It must cure deadly diseases and whiten your teeth while you sleep! AND IT HAS TO BE CAPABLE OF TIME TRAVEL! AND HAVE A TELEPATHIC USER INTERFACE!"

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  14. Re:Not the first by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is not just a Wi-Fi SD card. It is an SD memory card that transparently and asynchronously uploads all files stored on it to a designated IP endpoint.

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  15. About the market by Yvanhoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    French cops have a new tactic in protests : when they label someone "troublemaker" they ask him to delete his camera's memory. Wifi could be a way to get around that.

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    1. Re:About the market by Eric+in+SF · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ding!Ding!Ding! This is exactly what I was excited about. For street photographers or photographers who happen to be shooting the police beating someone, this is an excellent first step.

      Unfortunately, it sounds like you have to scope out your area FIRST, to find and configure any public wifi networks onto the card, but it's only a matter of time before they will auto-connect to any open wifi connection.

      Once you've got the connection, it's a lot harder for the cops, (or worse - private security guards) to take your gear away and delete your pictures (or have an evidence technician "destroy" the card while "investigating" it). They've all been automatically uploaded to a server outside the reach of your local legal system!

      If they come out with a Compact Flash version AND drop the price, Nikon is going to crap their pants. Nikon sells a pricey wifi add-on for their pro cameras that was just rendered obsolete.

      Yeah, I'd get one for parties - my D80 takes SD.

  16. Compact Flash? by redwoodtree · · Score: 2, Insightful

    God, if they can do this in an SD card, why not a compact flash? Is it just that there's a much bigger market for SD cards?

    I have a Nikon D70 and this sure would be nice....

  17. pfft... by djupedal · · Score: 3, Informative

    My Nikon S6 has done this for this last year... SD & WiFi & 3" LCD - I can even control it from the computer.

  18. Re:Not the first by jrumney · · Score: 5, Informative

    What you posted a link to was an SDIO WiFi card. Such cards are commonly used in PDAs and in this case printers to give them Wifi capabilities. They require SDIO support in the device and drivers. TFA is about a 2Gb memory card, which has onboard Wifi and the software to use it to transparently upload files to a server. To the device it appears as a 2Gb memory card, not as an SDIO Wifi card.

  19. Worthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So instead of plugging in your camera every time you want to get the photos off, you get up an plug it into the charger because the WiFi SD card is sucking down the power faster.

    Either way you're not gaining anything.

  20. Re:Answer to market research question by Zebedeu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would pay for it.
    Hell, I would pay 100 just for adding the Wi-Fi functionality to my camera.

    One of the things I'm really lazy about is connecting the camera to the USB port on my PC. I don't like taking the CF card out because 1) it's basically the same amount of work, and 2) I've heard that sometimes the pins in the camera can be bent during insertion.

    In essence it's the same reason why I like to have bluetooth on my cellphone for synchronization: you're just sitting there and synchronize without having to reach for the device or the cables (ok, so maybe you would have to turn on the camera).

  21. HUGE value to pros by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't see this card being much more than a novelty to your casual point and shooter, but the value of something like this to a pro is enormous.

    Let's say you're a pro shooting on assignment (event, wedding, on-location, whatever). Do you know how much money it would cost you if your memory card gets corrupted, lost, damaged, etc.? If it happened at a wedding, your career might be over (most wedding photogs shoot on many small memory cards in case one card gets corrupted. It happens more than you think).

    But with a wi-fi SD card, you have instant backup. This is huge! Many pros have an on-site workflow that includes backing up the card the instant it's full. With a wi-fi setup, you can be backed up instantly to a notebook with RAID-1 or something. This insurance policy is worth way more than $100.

    I'd even argue for you this would be a great investment. You say that you are prone to losing SD cards. Imagine if the card never left your camera. How many $15-$34 SD cards do you need to lose before you wish you had just bought the wi-fi card?

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    1. Re:HUGE value to pros by DaveWick79 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's funny, I see more value in this for the casual shooting.

      The article didn't have alot of details, but despite what everyone is talking about here, it doesn't sound like the card has the capability of uploading content without initializing the transfer via software on a laptop or other computer. Unless cameras start being manufactured with support for wifi (and at that point, why not just integrate the wifi into the camera, not the SD card), I don't think you are going to see anything very automatic. I can sure see the value of uploading to the computer before removing the card, though.

      Another consideration is the speed. 802.11g isn't particularly fast. If a professional photographer is taking 20-30 shots per minute with a 10MP camera, the wifi might have a bit of trouble keeping up.

  22. Wear and tear? by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wear and tear?

    I've never heard anybody complain of wear and tear on a USB cable before. I guess there is a first time for everything.

    As for wear and tear on the shutter release button, I would think that your shutter itself would fail before the release button, but what do I know?

    Anyhow, if this card is ever released, I will buy one for sure. If anything, to solve the "I don't feel like waiting for 2 GB of images to download over USB" problem. With this, there would be no waiting. The images would already just be there.

    For pros, this would be a godsend. Totally eliminates the issue of taking 150 photos to a corrupt card.

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  23. Wireless Camera Memory-Driving by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is great. Now I don't need to confiscate cameras from people for taking unwanted pictures; I just hack their camera's wifi and erase the pictures without their knowledge! Bonus, I get to download whatever personal pictures they have stored on the camera. This will be great for surreptitiously profiling people by the contents of their cameras at airports, too! ("No guns, no toy guns, no pictures of guns or toy guns permitted beyond this point.")

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  24. Re:Now when the police yank your camera... by Craig+Davison · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mod up. That is the real benefit to this device. Now you can surrender your memory card without losing any of your photos.