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Apple Confirms No (Default) ZFS In Leopard

javipas writes "Despite recent rumors about the possible inclusion of ZFS as the filesystem of choice for MacOS X 10.5 'Leopard', an Apple executive has denied this possibility. Brian Croll, senior director of product marketing for the Mac OS has as much as said 'ZFS is not happening ... Croll declined to comment on statements made last week by Sun Chief Executive Jonathan Schwartz, who said the use of ZFS would be announced at the Apple Worldwide Developers Conference in San Francisco. Upon further questioning, Croll would only confirm that Apple had never said ZFS would be a part of Leopard. A representative with Sun did not have any immediate comment.' Users of the future operating system will have to keep working with HFS+, a filesystem that is almost ten years old now." Update: 06/12 19:57 GMT by KD : An Apple spokesman contacted InformationWeek with a correction, which they ran as a comment on their original story: What Apple meant to say was, "ZFS would be available as a limited option, but not as the default file system."

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  1. Notes from a WWDC curmudgeon by hkb · · Score: 5, Informative

    ZFS is in the WWDC Leopard build. It's currently configured for read-only, although full functionality is in there. Write ability is disabled for stability/integrity issues. /System/Library/Extensions:

    drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 102 Jun 4 20:48 zfs.readonly.kext

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  2. Re:Err...no he didn't. by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 3, Informative
    From the article:

    During an interview with InformationWeek, Brian Croll, senior director of product marketing for the Mac OS, said, "ZFS is not happening," when asked whether Sun's Zettabyte File System would be in Leopard. Instead, Leopard would use Apple's current hierarchical file system, called HFS+. The Apple file system was first introduced in 1998 in Mac OS 8.0.


    What he declined to comment on was the comment made by the Sun executive, but he did comment on ZFS itself.
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  3. Re:reminds me of something by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 3, Informative

    It was in the Leapord beta. I think that's a fairly good reason to make that assumption.

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  4. Re:A new iChat?? by aftk2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    First off, screen sharing appears to still be supported in the OS:

    Image here

    Additionally, the button for screen sharing is still present in the ichat screenshots:

    Image here
    (bottom right in the buddy list window)

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  5. Re:Wow, 10 years old?! by Megane · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...and HFS+ is just an incremental update from HFS - adding stuff like journaling and support for larger drives, long unicode file names, and some unixisms like inodes and /dev and hard links and case sensitivity.

    So you can really say that HFS+ is almost 22 years old now.

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  6. Still there by smurfsurf · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its description has been moved to the "Finder" page at http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/features/finde r.html in the "Closer connections" paragraph.

    "By clicking on a connected Mac, you can see and control that computer (if authorized, of course) as if you were sitting in front of it. "

  7. The story is not accurate. by Kristoph · · Score: 3, Informative

    The InformationWeek editor has posted this ...

    As to the news, it seems that Croll mispoke a couple of times when asked about ZFS in Leopard. Despite direct questions about Sun CEO Schwartz's claims that ZFS is there, Croll flatly denied the reports to two of our reporters in a 1:1 interview.

    An Apple spokesperson called us Tuesday seeking to clarify Croll's statement. Croll was apparently supposed to indicate that ZFS would be available as a limited option, but not as the default file system."

    We are now writing a separate story to note Apple's mis-statement and hopefully to reveal more about how ZFS would work in Leopard.

    We'll update you here when that story is live.

    Michael Singer

    InformationWeek - West Coast Editor

  8. Jives with editorial comments on TFA by LionMage · · Score: 3, Informative
    Apparently, one of the editors at InformationWeek (Michael Singer, West Coast Editor) saw several perplexed comments left by readers and added similar commentary to yours, which I thought would be germane:

    As to the news, it seems that Croll mispoke [sic] a couple of times when asked about ZFS in Leopard. Despite direct questions about Sun CEO Schwartz's claims that ZFS is there, Croll flatly denied the reports to two of our reporters in a 1:1 interview.

    An Apple spokesperson called us Tuesday seeking to clarify Croll's statement. Croll was apparently supposed to indicate that ZFS would be available as a limited option, but not as the default file system."

    We are now writing a separate story to note Apple's mis-statement and hopefully to reveal more about how ZFS would work in Leopard.

    We'll update you here when that story is live.
    Glad to see there's an effort underway to get the facts out to people.