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First Ever Scramjet Reaches Mach 10

stjobe writes with the news that a group of US and Australian scientists successfully tested a supersonic scramjet engine in the Australian Outback on Friday. The Sydney Morning Herald reports that a rocket carrying the engine reached mach 10, and climbed to an altitude of 330 miles before the apparatus re-entered the Earth's atmosphere. "Australia's Defense Science and Technology Organization (DSTO) said it was believed to be the first time a scramjet had been ignited within the Earth's atmosphere ... Scramjets are supersonic combustion engines that use oxygen from the atmosphere for fuel, making them lighter and faster than fuel carrying rockets. Scientists hope that one day a scramjet aircraft fired into space could cut traveling time from Sydney to London to as little as two hours."

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  1. X-43A? by Chairboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    What about the X-43A? It also ignited successfully and flew under power.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-43

    This is cool, yes, but the emphasis on "first" seems a bit off.

    1. Re:X-43A? by evil_neanderthal · · Score: 5, Funny

      mach 10? not fast enough! i want one for my microwave! faster pizza bagles! faster ezmac! faster! can i mount one to my pelvis! can't wait to see what the missus thinks. miss. mistress! huh? i need a gun that shoots scramjets with knives on the end! can we start calling it warp 10 instead of mach 10? they should have taped a dvd to it to set a data transfer record! we need a new unit for that! dvd-mph! gigafoot-hertz! i want the 13 gfhz model for my toaster! butter the whole toaster so it doesn't get incinerated from air friction! does it come with internet? i want one with internet! it needs bluetooth! eeeeeeee

  2. Bzzzt. Wrong! by tritone · · Score: 5, Informative

    "scramjets are supersonic combustion engines that use oxygen from the atmosphere for fuel"

    Scamjets use oxygen from the atmosphere as an oxydizer unlike traditional rocket engines which need to carry their oxydizer. Scramjets still need to carry fuel.

    No. I am not a rocket scintist.

  3. Why was the altitude changed? by thesolo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This event took place in Australia, and was reported by an Australian paper; therefore, it was correctly reported in the metric altitude of 530 kilometres.

    So why was the summary changed by slashdot editors to the imperial unit?

    Firstly, not everyone who reads this site is American, and secondly, this is an audience of nerds. I think we can handle kilometres! Even the USA's NASA is all metric now.

    The scientists who developed this scramjet used metric, the country it was tested in used metric, the newspaper that reported it used metric, so how about we keep it that way?

    1. Re:Why was the altitude changed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      England invented proper rules of capitalization and punctuation, and they officially use the metric system now. Is there any country other than the US which doesn't? (According to Wikipedia two other countries actually do; Liberia and Myanmar. Great company.)
      Not to mention that the US has been butchering proper English spelling and grammar ever since Webster. Just switch to Metric measurements and the Celsius temperature scale already. The rest of the world is getting tired of having to convert measurements for the sole purposes of dealing with the US. [/troll]

  4. Suborbital trajectories? by caseih · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is very interesting to read as I just finished reading Ben Rich's book "Skunk Works" where he talks about the SR71. When president Reagan announced the administration's intention to build a hypersonic airplane, he just shook his head. It's simply not practical, with or without the scramjet engine. The SR71 flew at 85,000 feet at about Mach 3.2, and reaches skin temperatures of 2000-3000 degrees (F I presume) just from moving through the atmosphere. Accelerating to Mach 10 would burn up or otherwise compromise any current building material, except for the carbon-carbon and ceramic materials used on the space shuttle's heat shield, but aren't practical for airplanes. So what good is this scramjet, at least as far as a hypersonic airplane goes? Seems to me all this talk of Sydney to London in 12 hours is a bit fanciful. So the question is, how exactly will this engine be used to accomplish this? The only way to reach hypersonic speeds without burning up is to make the trajectory sub-orbital so that the aircraft is in the thinnest atmosphere possible when it's firing it's engines to go Mach 10. But of course there's not a lot of oxygen at that altitude. And to really achieve sub-orbital trajectory you need a rocket engine, not any kind of air-breathing engine. So my questions are: Is Ben Rich right that hypersonic travel is essentially impossible? Will the scramjet help with a suborbital trajectory? I understand that igniting the scramjet is a breakthrough. Jet turbines at supersonic velocity have always been problematic.

    Off-topic, Ben Rich says in his book that the codename Aurora that everyone likes to think refers to some hypersonic aircraft, was actually the codename placed on the B-2 project as Lockheed and Northrop were competing for the contract. It's funny to think that to this day, folks still hang onto this and imagine some mythical hypersonic airplane. Which never existed. Or does it?

    1. Re:Suborbital trajectories? by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All of his points are basically correct in the present day. However, the most critical one -- the expense of heat-resistant materials -- may only be temporary. It's hard to say. Carbon fiber was once the "we'd love to use it, but it'd be too expensive except for pricey custom luxury jobs" material for airplanes. Now look at the Dreamliner -- a mass-produced majority-carbon-fiber giant by Boeing, which despite delays, companies have been snapping up.

      I wouldn't rule out the concept of hypersonic travel just because heat resistant materials are expensive today. If the rest of the tech is there and is affordable, and there is sufficient demand... who knows? The airline industry is bloody huge and there is lots of money to be made by faster travel, so it could draw a lot of R&D money if the other tech looks good.

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  5. HyShot, HyCAUSE and HiFire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was the same fuel as HyShot, plain old hydrogen (plus oxygen gathered from the atmosphere). This scramjet project was named HyCAUSE and the engine was physically a fair bit larger than the successful HyShot flights by the same team a few years back. The team originated from the University of Queensland moved to the Defence Science and Technology Organisation about a year ago. The next flights are a series of ten over five years under the name "HiFire".

  6. 2 hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Including airport queues that's only about 5 or 6 hours.

  7. Scramjets need an atmosphere by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Scramjets need an atmosphere anyway, just like ramjets and turbojets. That's the whole idea. The air flows through it, fuel is injected into that air and ignited. Trying to operate a scramjet in a vacuum would make as much sense as trying to operate a turbojet there. Pretty much all 3 are the same jet engine, more or less. A turbojet uses a compressor in the front to push the air into the engine. A ramjet relies on the fact that if you fly fast enough to start with, you get air pushed into the engine anyway. (Plus some clever design of the intake so the flame doesn't go in both directions.) But the air is slowed down to a subsonic speed at the point where the fuel is injected and lit. A scramjet is a ramjet where the air does flow at supersonic speed through the engine, so basically it's choked. You can add the fuel past the choke point and, since waves can't move backwards in a supersonic flow, whatever pressure you generate there by burning fuel can only go towards the back engine. The front of the engine can't "notice" the higher pressure in the back half because a pressure wave would have to travel through that air faster than sound speed, which isn't possible. Another rough description would be that a scramjet is like a turbojet with an afterburner, only without the turbojet. (Sorta like the sound of one hand clapping, I guess;) Instead of having the turbojet push air through a nozzle and add extra fuel to it, the engine _is_ the nozzle and the airplane's existing speed is what pushes air to it. So you just add the fuel and light it. It's an afterburner without a turbojet. But in the end all 3 work by the same basic principle: air comes through the front, fuel is added, hot air comes out the back. No air, no flame, the engine stops. The plans to use a scramjet to get to a highe enough orbit or even leave the planet, involve getting enough speed while still having enough air for the scramjet, or as boosters in addition to the normal rocket engines, or both.

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    1. Re:Scramjets need an atmosphere by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 5, Informative

      A ramjet relies on the fact that if you fly fast enough to start with, you get air pushed into the engine anyway. (Plus some clever design of the intake so the flame doesn't go in both directions.) Not necessarily. The ramjet inlet's design is such that the air is compressed through ram compression, essentially the air is compressed as it is slowed down. There really isn't any clever design on the inlet. The pressure in the inlet area is greater than the that of the combustor and so long as that is true, no flame will come out. You're essentially correct but I just wanted to nitpick.

      Explaining the turbojet is easier after explaining the ramjet. Ramjet performance suffers below Mach 1 because you can't get enough compression for efficient combustion. The turbojet adds a compressor to add work to the flow so you can get the desired pressure ratio coming into the burner. Then you have to go through the turbine such that you can power the compressor.

      Engines with compressors are far more interesting as they can be pushed to the point (whether by power setting or flight condition) such that the compressor can stall and flame will shoot out the front of the engine. It's something pretty important in compressor design since they operate with an adverse pressure gradient (pressure out > pressure in). This is why you see compressors with 10+ stages powered by only 1-2 turbine stages. It's really quite interesting.

      You basic principle explanation isn't great for non-engineers. Try using "Suck, squeeze, bang, blow." I explained that to some friends of mine and they were way more interested. They not only laughed but they then wanted to hear more detail. But solid explanations on your part, I just wanted to nitpick a couple things since I'm a propulsion guy.
  8. Gah. Once more, with formatting by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Scramjets need an atmosphere anyway, just like ramjets and turbojets. That's the whole idea. The air flows through it, fuel is injected into that air and ignited. Trying to operate a scramjet in a vacuum would make as much sense as trying to operate a turbojet there.

    Pretty much all 3 are the same jet engine, more or less. A turbojet uses a compressor in the front to push the air into the engine. A ramjet relies on the fact that if you fly fast enough to start with, you get air pushed into the engine anyway. (Plus some clever design of the intake so the flame doesn't go in both directions.) But the air is slowed down to a subsonic speed at the point where the fuel is injected and lit. A scramjet is a ramjet where the air does flow at supersonic speed through the engine, so basically it's choked. You can add the fuel past the choke point and, since waves can't move backwards in a supersonic flow, whatever pressure you generate there by burning fuel can only go towards the back engine. The front of the engine can't "notice" the higher pressure in the back half because a pressure wave would have to travel through that air faster than sound speed, which isn't possible.

    Another rough description would be that a scramjet is like a turbojet with an afterburner, only without the turbojet. (Sorta like the sound of one hand clapping, I guess;) Instead of having the turbojet push air through a nozzle and add extra fuel to it, the engine _is_ the nozzle and the airplane's existing speed is what pushes air to it. So you just add the fuel and light it. It's an afterburner without a turbojet.

    Downside: a turbojet can start at zero speed, ramjets and scramjets need enough airspeed to start. Hence all these experiments involve booster rockets.

    But in the end all 3 engines work by the same basic principle: air comes through the front, fuel is added, hot air comes out the back. No air, no flame, the engine stops.

    The plans to use a scramjet to get to a highe enough orbit or even leave the planet, involve getting enough speed while still having enough air for the scramjet, or as boosters in addition to the normal rocket engines, or both.

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    1. Re:Gah. Once more, with formatting by 6Yankee · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, that's one way to get +10 Informative ;)