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Facebook Apps Facing Delays and Uncertainties

NewsCloud writes "After reading about the Facebook platform launch, I spent the next week learning the API and building my application. Facebook's platform has been pretty successful despite complaints of poor documentation, instability and outcries over its application approval process. I've been waiting two weeks for my application to be approved for their directory and had my account disabled (temporarily) after I invited a large number of colleagues. While I'm impressed with the potential of the platform, the experience has made me more concerned about the lack of transparency in privately held social networks and the risks we take as developers when we invest time in a company's platform. Facebook's home page advertises itself as "a social utility that connects you with the people around you." My concern with Facebook is that there's no one regulating the utility."

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  1. we are not having issues.. by joeldg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not sure what is going on with you, but we are not having issues with our facebook app, actually one of our guys was invited to speak a facebook meetup here in the city.
    It sounds like they had concerns about your app being used as a/by a spam-harvester to abuse their network, and frankly I would be also cautious.

    1. Re:we are not having issues.. by PCheese · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We really haven't had much trouble with our app either. We anticipated Facebook making lots of changes and built our app to respond accordingly. If something breaks, our app saves as much information about the event as possible so that we can fix it ASAP. Isn't that a pretty standard way of doing things? We keep a close eye on what happens and are able to make minor tweaks to keep the app running smoothly. We haven't seen major breakage; everything has been fixable in 20 minutes max. Our app ( http://apps.facebook.com/graffiti/ for the curious) was recently approved into the directory. We had a significant number of users already through the viral aspect of it all, but we're seeing a rather significant spike now that we're reaching out to even more networks through the directory. We had some hiccups getting in (partly our fault, partly Facebook), but now all it takes it to make sure everything is filled out completely. In my experience, they're really trying to seek out the trouble spots. Do we need the directory? No, but we're grateful for it! I agree that the documentation is lacking, but there's an IRC channel, discussion board, mailing list, and developer email support that make up for it. And yes, the Facebook guys do respond through all those channels!

  2. Not just facebook by yohanes · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You said:

    the lack of transparency in privately held social networks and the risks we take as developers when we invest time in a company's platform.
    Isn't the situation just the same if you depend to any 3rd party technology (operating systems, languages, platforms, etc) where you don't have a control?
    1. Re:Not just facebook by beckerist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...and the simple fact his application hasn't been approved yet means there's no regulation?

  3. Missing the point entirely by agent+dero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The author of the "article" doesn't seem to get "it" with regards to the platform.

    Firstly, the documentation isn't fantastic, I agree, it's a relatively straight-forward REST api, and wouldn't you know it, the community of developers has been filling in the documentation gaps

    As for instability, it's been there for the most part, you have to understand that Facebook might lack of the 100% reliability you may think your own code has. Facebook developers aren't perfect, nor is it unusual for things to break when near 25 million active users a day pound on it (at the very least, tiny bugs, image caching collisions i'm looking at you, become big bugs. As a side note, that has to have been the most famous end-table on the planet before they fixed that bug).

    Finally, I've seen the "outcries over its application approval process" and those are silly as well. A very tiny percent of users actually install the application from the directory. My applications have blown up because of making use of the viral tools provided by the platform, invites, news feed postings, etc. Applications like X-Me exploded to well over 100k users before it was even listed (congrats chips), the same went for Graffiti

    No system, especially a third-party system you rely on as a developer is ever perfect, but it's barely been a month since the Facebook Platform, so crying foul is extremely premature. If your only concern is that there's no one regulating the utility, then you should go ask some of those Windows developers how much fun the Longhorn-Vista moving target of a platform has been. It's their API, their platform, their social network, they get to choose what goes on with their "utility."

    I'm sure i'll be marked as a troll, but this just reads like the same gripes at the bottom of the barrel in the FB Developers discussion board for some time now.
    Disclaimer: I was one of the F8 attendees, and have been developing for the platform for almost 2 months now

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    1. Re:Missing the point entirely by GreenHead · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Has anybody actually taken a look at what these applications are doing to facebook in general? The nice thing about facebook, everybody had a simple looking page that was consistently the same. Since the applications have been coming out, everybody pages started looking like utter crap. Gone is the static page that was easy to read, and simple to load. With the ability to add all the apps, facebook is turning into myspace. We all know how giving the ability to do whatever to their space makes the server go nuts, pages are a pain in the ass to look at, not to mention what does to the server. facebook used to be nice. now it's starting to become more like myspace, which makes me cry.

    2. Re:Missing the point entirely by cyphgenic · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've seen what these applications have been doing. They add a little more joy to the users that use them. That's not a bad thing.

      Also, if you want static facebook pages, you are welcome to create those pages using their API: http://developers.facebook.com/documentation.php

      Their API allows you to re-create in total the facebook of 3 months ago. :-D

      Now, what these applications have been doing, the sheer number of them, is degrading facebook's performance. But that's true of a lot of sites that growing exponentially like facebook is.

      Also, I've been pretty frustrated with bug fixes. They've been pretty slow and coming but that's part of the aggressive schedule they set for themselves. A developer in Facebook, Ari Steinberg, wished he had another month at launch.

      Disclaimer: I've been making facebook applications on their platform since May.

  4. I'm stupid by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really am. It took me a lot of kicks in the head to realize what I was doing was stupid.

    In term of failed platforms, I think I have a long list. I invested time in:

    mIRC script
    NWN1 scripting engine
    Win 95 era Visual Basic
    Access 97 era VBA

    Notice anything in common about these platforms?

    The final kick was Labview. It was a fun language and, as a student, I didn't have to pay for it. Now of course I'm not a student so to update and reuse some nifty things I wrote as a student I would need to pay hundreds for a run time. Not smart.

    Of course it's not useless. A lot of the things I learned have helped when programming in proper languages (C/perl/java/occam etc), and leaning for learning's sake is never a waste. But all of the things I wrote are now useless because someone else owns the platform they run on and I can't get or afford the environment.

    Older and smarter I would have to be getting a healthy wage to write anything in a closed tool. I might be interested in learning DirectX 10 to steal the best ideas, but if I decide I want to do some 3D visualisation I'll do it on openGL thank you. I will also write my tools in the UNIX style, with exposed APIs and designed in the most modular fashion possible, since it makes them far more valuable in the long run.

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  5. back in the day.... by Cheezlbub · · Score: 4, Insightful

    before all the craplets that people push on unsuspecting facebookers, I really enjoyed the site. It was an excellent work alternative(tm) Now, however, it's just becoming a more cluttered myspace. I'm expecting the facebook people to next open up the possibility to 'personalize' their profile with gaudy poorly written code that crashes web browsers (or maybe just safari, which - to be honest - isn't the most stable inmate in the asylum). So much for being elegant, simple, and unique.

  6. In a free market, the customer regulates by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My concern with Facebook is that there's no one regulating the utility.

    In a free market, the customer regulates. In fact, by raising your concerns, you are doing it right now.
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  7. Social Networking RFC Anyone? by yebb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To avoid situations like this, I wonder if anyone would be interested in proposing an RFC for a public, distributed social networking system. Much like IRC, that could be made redundant with multiple geographically diverse servers and more importantly couldn't be controlled by any one corporate entity.

    Advertising revenue could be made by the "application" writers themselves, and the framework (something like Facebook) would become a commodity just like IRC became.

    Facebook-like social networking without the corporate oversight could be a little more chaotic, but no more chaotic than every other distributed system on the Internet.

    1. Re:Social Networking RFC Anyone? by dominion · · Score: 3, Interesting


      My project, Appleseed, does just that. All the distributed functionality is in place, and it's at the point of rounding out the functionality, optimization, and then bug testing and cleanup.

      It's open source, and uses a custom protocol, which is also open, although I would be open to modifying up the protocol at this point to make it easier for other applications to use

    2. Re:Social Networking RFC Anyone? by nevali · · Score: 2

      Plug FOAF, Atom and OpenID together on a blogging platform, and a public distributed social networking system is precisely what you have.

      People use Facebook, MySpace, et al, because they require zero technical knowledge to use: the unfortunate downside is that people who do have technical smarts and still want to participate can't use open standards and their own hosting/platforms to do so.

    3. Re:Social Networking RFC Anyone? by DerCed · · Score: 2

      There are ideas around.. Check:
      http://www.foaf-project.org/
      http://openid.net/

  8. Developers.. by what2123 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's because of developers like this that are making Facebook junk. It was one of the best networking applications on the net, now your getting all these frills that are really making it lame.

  9. Right by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > My concern with Facebook is that there's no one regulating the utility.

    Because we certainly don't want people going around doing things without permission, do we? An unregulated activity? How shocking!

    Listen. It's a private company operating in an open market. If you don't like their rules take your business elsewhere. Want more "transparency"? Start your own "transparent" network.

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  10. This guy is a spammer. by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the article: I saw a real opportunity for my site to reach a large new audience without a big marketing expense.

    In other words, this guy had figured out a way to spam via Facebook. And he's complaining that they didn't process his application for a developer ID fast enough.

  11. OMG! Facebook apps not working? by MoxFulder · · Score: 4, Funny

    How will I be able to SuperPoke my friends? Or give them little puppy dog icon gifts? Noooooooooo!!!!