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YouTube Goes International

Bizzeh writes "YouTube has announced that they plan to go international. The video site, owned by Google, has launched nine country-specific versions across Brazil, France, Ireland, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain and the UK. The BBC reports: 'YouTube is now stressing its credentials as a platform not just for user-generated content but also for professional broadcaster and advertisers. The company says it has more than 1,000 global partners, with more than 150 deals signed in Europe since March. [Chad Hurley, YouTube co-founder] said: "We respect copyright and we want to create new revenue streams to create opportunities. "We have been working with rights holders to help them leverage new audiences."'"

78 comments

  1. No German version? by MavEtJu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Interesting that they left out a German version. After all, there way much more Germans than Dutchmen.

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    1. Re:No German version? by Eddi3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's also possible the Germans weren't interested.

    2. Re:No German version? by laejoh · · Score: 0, Troll

      Here in Europe (and everywhere else) people from Holland use to say: You ain't much if you ain't Dutch. So that explains why, even if there are more Germans than Dutchmen, there is a Dutch version and not a German one.

    3. Re:No German version? by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

      It's probably because they didn't sign any deals with German content providing companies.

    4. Re:No German version? by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Germans will take over the Polish and French versions.

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    5. Re:No German version? by MavEtJu · · Score: 2, Informative

      NL: 16.5 million people, 11 million internet eyeballs. Additional countries with the same language: Belgium, Suriname, Nederlandse Antillen.
      DE: 82 million people, 50 million internet eyeballs. Additional countries with the same language: Austria, Swiss.

      Your reasoning for including the Netherlands and excluding Germany is a very fragile one.

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    6. Re:No German version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They forgot Germany! But at least they didn't forget Poland. :)

    7. Re:No German version? by PinkyDead · · Score: 1

      ...and there's a damn good reason for that:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO10s_HK6d0

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    8. Re:No German version? by pazZz · · Score: 1, Interesting

      what a bullshit. No interesseted in a german youtube version. OF COURSE ^^ Its more about Copyright i think because in Germany Copy right seems to be really hard and other companies like pandora for example closed there services for Germany and other European Countrys. Maybe they were just to lazy to do a german version ;)

    9. Re:No German version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in Europe (and everywhere else) people from Holland use to say: You ain't much if you ain't Dutch. So that explains why, even if there are more Germans than Dutchmen, there is a Dutch version and not a German one.

      What do the people from the rest of the Netherlands say?
    10. Re:No German version? by laejoh · · Score: 0

      Well, they say it in dutch ofcourse: Je bent niet veel wanneer je geen Nederlander bent.

    11. Re:No German version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      They probably decided it would be too expensive to dub every clip into German.

    12. Re:No German version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fryslan Boppe?

    13. Re:No German version? by Simon+Donkers · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do note that Netherlands has a far higher broadband penetration. From the first result in Google Netherlands has 22.5 broadband connections per 100 inhabitants ranking #2, Germany ranks #18 with 10.2%. Belgium, partly Dutch ranks #8. Full stats.
      Also in the Netherlands online video is very popular, the public broadcast puts all self created shows on the internet, other providers also have online offerings. The VPRO already has a Youtube channel, so has the Public broadcasters in general and the institute for Beeld en Geluid.
      While population wise the Netherlands is small, with the high broadband we have many active internetusers. Microsoft Live mail for instance was launched in the Netherlands even before any other country because we have a high broadband penetration and a population eager to test new things.

    14. Re:No German version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Germany has youtube-like sites like http://myvideo.de/. Irish people just used youtube anyway. As google has an immense server farm in Dublin, probably makes sense to provide some videos more locally if they can.

    15. Re:No German version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is the +1 disturbing moderation when you need it?

    16. Re:No German version? by Nuskrad · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, but, Germany is a nation of industrious, hard working people. The Netherlands is a nation of stoners. Who's going to be watching more YouTube clips? :D

    17. Re:No German version? by Catil · · Score: 2, Informative

      The German newspaper "Ruhrnachrichten" reported today that Google is still in negotiations with the musicrights organisation GEMA (German RIAA eqivalent) about copyrighted music used in videoclips on Youtube without royalties getting paid.
      They quote an unnamed Google spokesman saying that a German Youtube site will hopefully follow in a few month.

      I really don't see how the GEMA could now demand their cut on behalf of a simple German translation of Youtube. It seems that the other already translated sites are still hosted in the USA and I guess de.youtube.com will be as well.

    18. Re:No German version? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      A Møøse once bit my sister ...

          No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse
          with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given
          her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and
          star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo
          Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst
          Nordfink".

    19. Re:No German version? by duguk · · Score: 1

      I just hope that the japanese youtube will mind it's own

    20. Re:No German version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, right, like in 1939 ?!

    21. Re:No German version? by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      The reason there's no German version is because most of the stuff on you tube is funny clips and jokes, and everyone the Germans have no sense of humour.

    22. Re:No German version? by Elektroschock · · Score: 1

      Indeed, an German is spoken in far more nations than dutch. It is arogant to say the least.

    23. Re:No German version? by Elektroschock · · Score: 1

      You mean the angry German childs? ;-> Hmm, after all the modern state of Poland is to a large percentage on German soil.

    24. Re:No German version? by ross.w · · Score: 1

      Surely whether it's German or Polish depends on the year?

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  2. Channels by interiot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well-known examples of producer-specific channels include BBC, NBA, and Al Jazeera.

    So major content providers are partnering with YouTube, but their YouTube videos are essentially DRM-free (they can still be downloaded like normal youtube videos can). So are content providers starting to care less about DRM now? Or since most of them are putting teaser promotional videos up, not full-length content, they don't worry so much if the short snippets are copied elsewhere?

    1. Re:Channels by BrookHarty · · Score: 1

      BBC blocks parts of its content, from outside its country.
      I hope google doesnt start that.

    2. Re:Channels by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      So are content providers starting to care less about DRM now? Or since most of them are putting teaser promotional videos up, not full-length content, they don't worry so much if the short snippets are copied elsewhere?

      Both, but mostly the latter. As for their DRM concerns: YouTube is just more convenient than bothering to download the videoa nd use a special FLV player to play it. Why do that when you're a click away. It's what RIAA doesn't understand about making business on the Internet, but I bet they will, in maybe 50-60 years.

    3. Re:Channels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Al Jazeera is a different case. First of all, they are not trying to make a profit(same goes for the BBC, to a lesser extent). Besides, it is impossible to get Al Jazeera english in the US anyway, so they aren't missing out on much. And people watch them for free anyway, in the Middle East you get Al Jazeera from a satellite dish with no monthly fees, or, depending on where you live, just over the air. There aren't many ads either. It is all funded by a prince in Bahrain and operates independently.

      So really it isn't about DRM in this case, they just genuinely want to make their content as accessible as possible. You can even watch the Arabic version online for free on one of those internet TV websites.

  3. If this is so, by Fengpost · · Score: 1

    can the PornoTube be far behind?

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    1. Re:If this is so, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  4. Thought provoking by jandersen · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It is noteworthy that they felt they had to stress the fact that they respect the law, in this case copyright law, isn't it?

    However, what it really means is 'We want to squeeze as much money out of this as we can' - they probably have a close partnership with the RIAA on this.

    1. Re:Thought provoking by MrManny · · Score: 1

      However, what it really means is 'We want to squeeze as much money out of this as we can' - they probably have a close partnership with the RIAA on this.

      Clarification please: A partnership to achieve what exactly? The RIAA has little to say outside of their borders - though we have similar, though less aggressive, organizations. Did you mean to refer to them? Otherwise I fail to see the connection and would appreciate details.

  5. What, no YuTube for China? by macraig · · Score: 1

    That's curious... considering China is a larger market than all of Europe, you'd think that a Chinese YuTube would be their first move. I wonder what the reason could be for ignoring the largest market of all?

    1. Re:What, no YuTube for China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      considering China is a larger market than all of Europe

      I think you need to reevaluate what the word market means. Europe is a far larger market than China. Add in the fact that the average European also has much more disposable income than the average Chinese person then you will realize why a site based on getting funding from advertising might target Europe before China.

    2. Re:What, no YuTube for China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      onsidering China is a larger market than all of Europe I think you need to reevaluate what the word market means. Europe is a far larger market than China. Add in the fact that the average European also has much more disposable income than the average Chinese person then you will realize why a site based on getting funding from advertising might target Europe before China. That plus the fact that YouTube might be unwilling to submit tho their censorship demands. Granted this is unlikely to happen because YouTube has moral scruples but it might have to do with the profit reducing effects of having to censor every single clip that gets uploaded which is what the Chinese would insist upon. Another reason might be that the Chinese Govt. might not want a site that allows freedom of expression on that level which into the bargain would be controlled by a foreign entity. Given China's track record one would expect them to prefer setting up their own YouTube knockoff that they have 100% control over and which from their point of view is the lesser of two evils.
    3. Re:What, no YuTube for China? by macraig · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Kinda my point in asking the question....

  6. Video.Google by Enderandrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can someone please explain to me why Google bought YouTube, merged the search results for the two sites, etc. but still hasn't ported over some of the nicer features of the video.google.com player?

    Doesn't it make sense to merge the best features of the two sites and the two players?

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    1. Re:Video.Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can someone please explain to me why Google bought YouTube, merged the search results for the two sites, etc. but still hasn't ported over some of the nicer features of the video.google.com player?


      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look_and_feel
    2. Re:Video.Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Merging different technologies can be very difficult. Both sites probably have large codebases and a massive amount of servers. The underlying technologies can be largely different. Also, it is possible that all videos at Youtube would have to be re-encoded to make use of Google Video tech.

      Merging search results is probably a relatively simple operation for a search giant.

      Of course, I don't know anything about the actual reasoning at Google.

    3. Re:Video.Google by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      Actually merging the search would have required large rewrites but the benefits are much greater than merging other parts.

    4. Re:Video.Google by tknd · · Score: 1

      What are the nicer features of google video? Are you talking about the fact that it always fills up the browser screen? I didn't really find that to be a nice feature since most videos were of low bitrate and on a big monitor that turns into giant pixel blocks. With google video I almost always found myself resizing the browser window smaller just to avoid the big pixel blocks but when I was done or I flipped to another tab, I had to resize the window larger again. I also found that youtube's "related videos" section is pretty good at not only finding related videos, but not-so related videos that also may match your interest. Now the comments section however...

    5. Re:Video.Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We hear you ;)

  7. What about subtitles? by phatvw · · Score: 1

    While the article states that the site text has been translated into various languages, the video itself remains unchanged. What is really needed is a viable multi-language subtitlng solution for online video.

    I'm too lazy to look up who owns the patents to see why Google/YouTube is NOT doing this... Anyone care to do a little research on that?

    1. Re:What about subtitles? by Simon+Donkers · · Score: 1

      Google has the technique to add subtitles available for Google Video. It likely won't take them to much work to apply this technique in Youtube as well. With all Google Video users being able to add subtitles there's a grand total of 27 videos with subtitles. Making subtitles is expensive, the audience for it is simply to small to actually make this affordable. Perhaps Google could give broadcasters easy means and an incentive to upload subtitles for shows which they already subtitled for TV distribution but practically no commercial company will spend time subtitling video's just for Youtube.

      I would like to have some Wikipedia like community based subtitling system though. There are some sites which offer it but they don't offer many interesting video's and there are plenty of people with to much spare time.

  8. maybe they heard about the flickr/censr debacle... by w4rl5ck · · Score: 1

    ... an dumped the idea of a german version.

    Next: the great german firewall, build by american companies unable to understand foreign rules and laws... ;)

  9. Oh wow... by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is amazing. At last the international world can explore the wonderful technology that has brought together so many, using an effective comment and rating system to ensure that each video posted is as high quality as the last (the infallible "5 star system").

    No but seriously, YouTube is like a cesspool. There is no quality control for comments. There are no moderators who bann idiots who do stuff like chain letters and spamvertising their own videos. People are now using videos of themselves talking for what the comment box was supposed to originally be. And this is not just the fault of the stupid users on youtube. The limited size of the comment box and the ease of posting comments is all their issues.

    Lets not ignore the fact that people are trying to make this like a second my-space. I'm tired of getting e-mails from people who just want to say "hi" to me over and over again for no god-damned reason. Its nice and all, but its not a "comment" or appropriate "message". Your not telling me what I can do to make better videos. Your not critiquing my videos or even asking me what the source of my video files are (to which I usually reply "it costs money" and never hear from you again).

    Furthermore, the lack of quality control of videos (I'll just say it: reposts) and lack of meta-tag control is absurd. I see people copying-and-pasting lists of every anime ever created (or at least most of them) followed by every number from 1 to 400 to ensure there SLIDE SHOW OF GOOGLED IMAGES can be found. 90% of the "anime music videos" on the bloody site are either slideshows that don't even match the beat of the music or use a single image size for consistency, or else videos copied and pasted from AMV.org.

    Lets not forget the flagging system. With this wonderful system, even the most innocent of videos can be tagged as inappropriate, nevermind that it was tagged simply because its a "rival video" of another creator...

    This isn't even looking at the fact every video uploaded on youtube ends up having lower quality then an AVI washed through windows-movie maker with the default render settings.

    I'll stick to Crunchy Roll and Stage6 for now, thank you very much.

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    1. Re:Oh wow... by BBird · · Score: 1

      youTube is accessible worldwide, just like most of the
      internet content, be it from the US or anywhere.

    2. Re:Oh wow... by revengebomber · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Your, You're.

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  10. Censorship by another name by jonnyj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article: "It's not just about translating, it also about creating content unique to certain countries."

    This is marketing double-speak for 'we want to restrict certain users from accessing certain content.' It'll start with pressure from commercial organisations (MPAA, TV networks, etc) and gradually move towards yielding to government pressure - as we've already seen with Google's search engine censorship antics. Anyone in China want to see footage of Tiananmen square? Forget it. It's not in Google's best commercial interests.

    In future you will see only what Google wants you to see. With its increasing dominance of both access to web content and content itself, Google is becoming the new global censor, answerable to no-one but its shareholders. This is very, very scary

    1. Re:Censorship by another name by siddesu · · Score: 1

      well, dunno about the censorship part, but at first sight the localization seems to suck somewhat. the damned thing seems to switch locales by looking up your IP address; and seems to ignore the locale headers sent by the browser, so now I am blessed with a US flag in the right top corner, and Japanese text interspersed all over the page. switching to the japan version removes most of the English labels though.

    2. Re:Censorship by another name by Sibko · · Score: 1

      Anyone in China want to see footage of Tiananmen square? Forget it. It's not in Google's best commercial interests. Because, as we all know, had Google not censored it, everyone in China would be able to view the footage.

      Oh wait, no. That's not what would have happened. China would've blacklisted Google, so that their citizens couldn't use it, ever. So Google had a choice: Pretend to be 'good' and lock themselves out of a potential multi-billion dollar market; or be evil, and restrict and censor certain things the Chinese government deemed inappropriate [While making lots of evil $$$].

      So was it the right decision? Well, it's not as if the Chinese government would let their citizens visit Google if Google wasn't censoring, in fact, they'd likely be just as much restricted in such a case as they are now. So your complaint essentially sums itself up as "Google shouldn't have gone into China, because China is the enemy!"

      I hear we've always been at war with East Asia.

      [In other words, take your complaints to the Chinese government, because there's Jack All that Google can do to change it.]
    3. Re:Censorship by another name by Bob-taro · · Score: 1

      In future you will see only what Google wants you to see. With its increasing dominance of both access to web content and content itself, Google is becoming the new global censor, answerable to no-one but its shareholders. This is very, very scary

      That assumes that Google is the only source of information, doesn't it? But there are many other players. None nearly as large, but there are many. And when you say "answerable only to shareholders" ... to whom do you think they should be answerable? Governments? They already are because governments have the power to block them or shut them down. The people? They already are because if no one uses google, they get no ad revenue.

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  11. International, huh? by $pearhead · · Score: 1, Redundant
    FTA

    Each site is translated into local languages and has country-specific video rankings and comments.
    Wouldn't national instead of international be more correct, then?
    1. Re:International, huh? by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      If you do business with several nations, you are international, even if you localize and cater your business to each nation.

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    2. Re:International, huh? by dbolger · · Score: 1

      Maybe they are being internationally intranational :)

    3. Re:International, huh? by Bob-taro · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't national instead of international be more correct, then?

      Sounds like you're a programmer. You must be thinking of the terms "localization" and "internationalization" (or l10n and i18n).

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  12. Isn't that national? by Bromskloss · · Score: 1

    Hmm, it seems to me that the current page is international, because it is intended for use in any country. A page made specifically for one country would then be national

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    1. Re:Isn't that national? by bursch-X · · Score: 1

      Considering that an English-only Youtube also means excluding many countries (whose people might not be fluent in English), adding languages usually makes a project an international one.

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  13. WHAT. THE. FUCK?! Where's Australia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Why the hell do totally nothing wog countries like Brazil and Poland get versions and an important country like Australia is snubbed? Fucking political correctness bollocks!

  14. Awwww. by nixkuroi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does this mean that the Japanese are going to start paying attention to all the copyrighted anime, game shows, talk shows and dramas people have put on there?

    Damn internationalization is going to ruin my interweb. :P

  15. Did you know... by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    YouTube accounts for 10% of Internet traffic. Imagine that. That's more than milions of other site do, combined.

    And they built that entirely on venture capital (until they got bought by google).

    I read all the time about competing video sites bragging about their high def videos - could they possibly sustain the video playback count of YouTube with such high bandwidth videos? I really doubt that. And no wonder YouTube stays low quality as well.

    1. Re:Did you know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YouTube accounts for 10% of Internet traffic.
      And 90% of all statistics are made up.
    2. Re:Did you know... by Tyir · · Score: 1
  16. "Country-Specific?" by Stanislav_J · · Score: 1

    I just checked out a couple of the new YouTube sites (Brazil and France). I tried a few searches on those plus the U.S. site, in English, Portuguese, and French, and it returned the exact same videos regardless of which site is used. Basically, it looks like the same exact damn site, only with instructions and links translated into the appropriate language. I guess that's the extent of "country-specific" content.

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    1. Re:"Country-Specific?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh. And they didn't even bother translating the Irish one into Irish! Cheek!

  17. All right! Japanese p0rn!!! by hoyeru · · Score: 1

    you know you want it

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  18. Video quality is awful by zero_offset · · Score: 1

    What amazes me is that they can successfully pitch this as a professional-quality product despite the fact that the quality of the video and audio is so bad it's almost unwatchable. It's a weird time in video -- on one hand everyone is up in arms about hi-def DVDs and HDTV, and on the other hand people are running around watching over-compressed clips on a 2" low-res cellphone screen.

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  19. Respect Copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only do we respect copyright, but we respectfully ignore them!

  20. Kiss of death by grikdog · · Score: 1

    Kids thirteen and under (or thereabouts) loved YouTube because of the awful, chopped-up anime episodes (and parts 1, 2, 3 and 4 thereof). Now, all that is gone the way of the dodo, leaving a generation of pre-teens surprised, fuming, narrow-eyed and political.

    YouTube's cachet has just evaporated among a few hundred thousand neo movers and shakers, making it the next mortally-wounded Napster. Maybe that was "We Do No Evil" Google's plan from the start? AWTTW: Kids are smarter than you think, and formative memories last forever.

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    1. Re:Kiss of death by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 1

      Most anime viewers I know who don't know how to use IRC or hate torrents still use Youtube...

      And all those viewers are in or graduating from college...

      But what do I know. Its only about 1/20th of the campus.

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    2. Re:Kiss of death by grikdog · · Score: 1

      I dunno. I'm 63 and I managed to watch the entire Hikaru no Go series (piece by piece) before My Tubes Not Your Tubes Dot Con started scrubbing it out of their system. I can't imagine the horrible quality posed much threat to DVD sales. It was more like free advertising, in a wonderful search and assemble game sort of way. I was speaking about actual, flesh-and-blood miffed microteens, however. And those kids hold everyone's future in their hands. It will be fun watching a few corporate attention spans suddenly expand backwards in "come to realize" moments about a decade from now.

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  21. Youtube.de works fine by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Maybe they haven't translated it yet, but it's there.

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