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iPhone's "Mystery App" Is H.264 YouTube

Rebelgecko writes "It turns out the iPhone's mystery app is a custom YouTube viewer. The iPhone will play YouTube's videos using the H.264 codec(as will the AppleTV after an upgrade) for higher quality. From the look of it, it will take advantage of the iPhone's screen design and touch capabilities much more than watching videos in the iPhone's version of Safari would. The videos can be streamed via a Wi-Fi connection or the EDGE network."

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  1. Not if there's No Flash In Safari by weston · · Score: 1, Informative

    Shouldn't the inbuilt browser be able to view YouTube anyways?

    Rumor has it that the iPhone will not include Flash, and it's my understanding that YouTube relies on a Flash video player.

    1. Re:Not if there's No Flash In Safari by bakura121 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They are using H.264 instead of Flash for the iPhone and Apple TV.

    2. Re:Not if there's No Flash In Safari by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Looks like they're excellent at partnering with Google(YouTube). And pretty smart about it, too. That H.264 hardware decoder in the iPhone won't sap the battery like a crappy flash player would do.

    3. Re:Not if there's No Flash In Safari by profplump · · Score: 3, Informative

      First, "Flash Video" is commonly H.263, not some magically Adobe-only codec. You don't need flash to play the video.

      Second, the article title talks about YouTube providing H.264 content, which is a format the iPhone and iPod are already known to play.

  2. Good USA Today article by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Informative

    Also, there's a USA Today article on iPhone today with the first new information from AT&T on the launch (even though it's not much):

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2 007-06-20-at&t-iphone-push_N.htm

    AT&T girds for iPhone launch on June 29
    By Leslie Cauley, USA TODAY

    For consumers eager to get their hands on an Apple iPhone, here's the good news: It will be available in all 1,800 AT&T phone stores at 6 p.m. sharp on June 29.

    The bad news? "We fully expect one or more of our stores to run out of stock on the first or second day -- my guess is the first day," says Larry Carter, senior vice president of sales for AT&T, the iPhone's exclusive U.S. distributor.

    To help accommodate as much foot traffic as possible, AT&T phone stores will stay open an extra hour -- until 10 p.m. -- on the first day.

    To get "iReady" for the big day, Carter says AT&T added 2,000 extra sales people to stores. Half will be there just to help handle the expected early crush of buyers. The other half, he says, will stay long-term to help with extra customers the iPhone is expected to draw to AT&T's stores.

    Crowd control on launch day is a concern. In some markets -- Carter declined to name them -- AT&T is working with local law enforcement on crowd-control plans. It also has alerted landlords at shopping malls and other phone store locations to make sure nobody is caught off guard.

    Not all stores are equal

    Carter would not say which stores will have the biggest iPhone stockpiles, but allowed that iPod users are a "natural market" for the smart phone. As such, he says, stores in areas with big numbers of iPod users -- such as New York City, Chicago and much of California -- will be well stocked.

    Does that mean that those stores will have more iPhones than stores in, say, Richmond, Va., or Florida? "Yes," he says. "It's just common sense."

    If your local store sells out, Carter says sales people will take mail orders, and devices will be shipped in 3 to 5 days, inventory permitting. "Ultimately, we will meet every customer's desire to have one," Carter says.

    To discourage sCalpers, AT&T plans to limit how many phones each customer can buy. Carter declined to cite the number, saying only that AT&T would try to prevent "hoarding and reselling."

    New service plans for iPhone

    There are other surprises in the works for June 29. In addition to launching the iPhone that day, Carter says AT&T also will announce new service plans for it.

    He declined to be specific, but says plans will be customized for the iPhone. Translation: The iPhone may offer cool features such as unlimited Web browsing, but you'll have to pay for them.

    Carter says the additional fees shouldn't be a surprise. "Regardless of which device you're using today, you pay us a certain amount for (voice) minutes, and you also pay us for data units," he says. "That is also true on the iPhone."

    No amount of planning will help, however, if Apple is unable to supply enough phones. "That's what we stay awake at night thinking about," Carter says.

    It's also out of AT&T's control. Manufacturing is being overseen by Apple, which also maintains control of design, customer care (for the device, not monthly service), advertising and more.

    Apple, famously secretive about its products, has been mum about its Apple Store sales plans. So far, it has not allowed AT&T sales staff access to iPhones so they can get comfortable using them before the big day. "Apple wanted to launch it that way," Carter shrugs.

    Only as good as network

    One thing AT&T does control, however, is the network on which the iPhone will depend. While network reliability might not have the sex appeal of an iPhone, it could spell the difference between the device becoming a runaway success -- or a flop.

  3. Re:Thats a pretty stupid mystery app by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

    You don't get a copy of the content. You cant download and store the videos. If you suddenly CAN do this, like some sort of Apple/Google alliance to allow downloads only from Macs, that'd be news - big news.

    Yeah, that would be big news.

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  4. NOT the mystery app by objekt · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is just an iPhone-friendly version of youtube. IPhone users will view it with Safari. It's been public knowledge since the 16th of June.
    visit it here
    read old news articles about it here

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    1. Re:NOT the mystery app by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, it is the "mystery app." The "mystery app" was caused by the application icons being slid down one slot in a brief section of an iPhone ad. Well, they've updated the iPhone website and the new iPhone graphic shows all twelve application icons. They are, in order:

      • Text, Calendar, Photos, Contacts
      • YouTube, Stocks, Maps, Weather
      • Clock, Calculator, Notes, Settings

      YouTube is the app that's been added. It's the "mystery app" that was missing from before.

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    2. Re:NOT the mystery app by Mwongozi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you even click the link in the article? YouTube is an app, and will not be viewed in Safari.

      The site you link to is for other phones.

  5. Re:What about desktop Macs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    the new 10.5 will not have the old frontrow anymore it will be replaced by the appleTV application (just watch the demo on the 10.5 site) today youtube was added to appleTV so you take a guess 1+1=2.

    Daniel.

  6. Re:What about desktop Macs? by bkr1_2k · · Score: 3, Informative

    The summary says AppleTV will get it after an upgrade, so presumably any desktop mac will also have that as an option.

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  7. EDGE not totally unusable by Morky · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have my Blackberry Pearl set up as a bluetooth modem for my Macbook Pro and it is on AT&T's EDGE network in NYC. A two minute youtube video takes about four minutes to load, so you can start watching at about the halfway mark.

  8. Re:Thats a pretty stupid mystery app by BorgDrone · · Score: 2, Informative

    Everybody tries to do this. Apple isn't alone. You dont think PalmOne, Motorola, Erikson, Nokia want to be considered "hip"?

    If they want to be considered 'hip' maybe they should release some products for the 'hip' crowd.

    Have you ever tried using an N-Gage ? Have you ever used one of the high-end Nokia 'smart' phones, like e.g. the new N95 ? They suck. The user interface is a mess, the phones are slow and unresponsive, the casing feels really cheap and plastic. And these are expensive phones.

    Every high end phone on the market right now sucks ass. They are a pain to work with, they are slow, unstable and feel flimsy. The phone manufacturers are trying to beat the competition by rushing out new phones with all the newest features as soon as they can, with no regards to quality or user experience.

    It's no wonder people are exited, given Apple's reputation.

    But just imagine, it wasnt made by Apple - say it was a Motorola, or Erikson, or billy magoo. It's the exact same design, exact same features, exact same software. Would we be talking about it right now?

    Yes, we would. The sad fact is that other companies are not making an iPhone. Motorola's RAZR was 'hip' and 'cool' years ago, but they seem to have fired their design team because they keep coming up with variations of the same design. I don't want the gazillionth incarnation of the RAZR. I don't want a windows smartphone with the ugly and non-intuitive interface. Not to speak of the chaotic mess that is Series60 and UIQ.

    I work as a software developer and we build a lot of stuff for mobile phones, it's not uncommon for us developers to get puzzled by a phone. How would you think Joe User would react ?

    The sad fact is that the user experience for any modern phone is absolutely horrible.
  9. Re:Thats a pretty stupid mystery app by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wow, your 700w will sync your music, movies, address contacts, bookmarks, and other miscellany without user action? That's a huge improvement over the Palms I used in college :)

    Rather, the Palms synched at the push of a button, but I still had to set up the software and such on my desktop.

    ANyway, re: build quality. I don't know that build quality is better, but in 2001 when comparing a 5gb iPod to a 6gb Creative Nomad Jukebox, the iPod won based on:
    1) Size
    2) Form factor
    3) Usability
    4) UI
    5) Durability (stainless steel+acrylic vs injection molded plastic)

    Re: Hip. Why is the iPod, and Apple, hip? Because they targeted consumers with the iPod! All the other MP3 players, with their arcane use models, buttons, and software, self selected for geeks. Unfortunately geeks aren't hip.

    Re: n-gage. You had to remove the battery to change games... On a cell phone. Why not just download games over the network (which happens now). The n-gage was decimated because the competing GBA was half the price, with 10x as many games. In two years the n-gage only had 50 games; by the time it hit 50 games, Nintendo had the DS out, and that is killing everything right now.

    If Apple released the n-gage, besides the Apple logo, it would have had:
    1) Integrated storage instead of cartridges (see iPod, iPhone, vs memory cards/cartridges)
    2) Touch screen (see DS, iPhone, iPod's touch scroll wheel, vs buttons)
    3) Larger screen (The n-gage screen only takes up 1/3 of the device. The GBs take half, the iPhone takes 4/5s, and the iPods take 1/2)
    4) Apple would make the games downloadable (see iPod+iTunes store, for music, games, and movies)

    Of course... this describes the iPhone, doesn't it?

  10. Re:Why change the codec? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

    My assumption is that the use of H.264 is to reduce bandwidth requirements, making YouTube on iPhone a practical proposition, without compromising too much on quality, not to actually improve the quality.

    Actually, Sorenson Spark and TrueMotion VP6 are highly competitive with the H.264 codec. My guess is that the H.264 transition has less to do with bandwidth and more to do with the iPhone's design. Apple currently uses H.264 for all of its downloadable movies and videos. (Sans a few minor exceptions like the Aquaman pilot.) Thus the iPhone already has software/hardware to support high-quality playback of the H.264 codec. This allows the phone to provide more features with the video stream (e.g. live resizing, preview in place, fast-seek, etc.) than are possible with the Flash toolkit.
  11. Re:Woah... by wbren · · Score: 2, Informative

    He was mocking Steve Jobs' use of the word "sweet" over and over at WWDC...

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  12. H.264 - lower bandwidth and conferencing by billstewart · · Score: 4, Informative
    H.264 is a really interesting codec for video conferencing - compared to the fairly universal H.263, it gives you equivalent video quality with about half the bandwidth, somewhat like using AAC instead of MP3, and it's designed to be fairly loss-tolerant. For business conferencing, that typically means using 192kbps instead of 384, but if you're doing personal talking-heads conferencing that can also mean much better video at 128kbps. Just because they've got the codec player doesn't mean they've got the encoder, but it would surprise me if they're not working on it; phone-to-phone video conferencing is an obvious cool feature to implement.


    Obviously you can use it for streaming as well, though I don't know if you get the same bandwidth comparisons vs. the most popular streaming-video codecs, since there are so many of those out there. According to one of the Wikipedia pages, newer iPods support H.264 video formats, so they're capitalizing on those sales. And they're probably cutting down on the bandwidth required for YouTube, which is really important in a mobile data environment.

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  13. probably not by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, properly implemented H.264 hardware encoders shouldn't "zap batteries in their sleep" and should be much more efficient than Flash decoding on the CPU. I'm sure that it's also possible to design one poorly, but my guess is that Apple was aware of this potential. Incorporating a hardware decoder in the design also offloads work from the CPU, leaving it free to do other stuff while the video is playing, which probably also results in smoother video playback on a lower powered device like iPhone.

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  14. Re:What about the dock socket? by mr_matticus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, it is, in fact. It uses the same 30-pin dock connector as all current iPods and will physically fit in Made for iPod products. Whether or not they do some weird things with the software that prevent the iPhone from responding to these accessories is something no one outside of a very small number of people at Apple know, but I'd guess no.

    They're selling this thing as a full-featured iPod nano (with some new features, even). I'd imagine that the small reserve of people who still haven't bought an iPod (ignoring those who never, ever will, no matter what) would further translate into an accessory market. The thing is almost exactly the width of a current iPod, the dock connector is the same and in the same location, and it syncs with iTunes and not some new application just for the iPhone. All signs point to "yes, it will work with iHome and all of those other dock accessories."

  15. Zero dollars by melted · · Score: 2, Informative

    'cause it has wifi.