Eta Carinae, Soon To Be a Local Supernova
da4 writes "Phil Plait over at Bad Astronomy has a great article about Eta Car, a star approx 7,500 light years away from us that's ready to supernova sometime Real Soon Now." Larger versions of the Hubble-Chandra image of Eta Car are available at the Chandra site. Of course when astronomers say it's "about to explode," they really mean it probably exploded 6,500 to 7,500 years ago and we're awaiting the news.
If we never get the news, will it actually have exploded, or not?
Insightful and funny are really the same thing, except one has a punch line.
I don't know if we should take the word of someone who runs a site called 'Bad Astronomy'...
:-)
*checks TFA*
The blue part is an optical image from Hubble, and shows the bipolar lobes of gas ejected when Eta Car had a coughing fit back in the 1840s. That's 20 octillion tons of gas (20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) it ejected at about a million miles per hour, in case you're not getting enough awesome in your diet.
I withdraw the objection.
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
Of course when astronomers say it's "about to explode," they really mean it probably exploded 6,500 to 7,500 years ago and we're awaiting the news.
could you clear up that 'sun rise' and 'sun set' thing for me as well?
It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
We could be waiting to see this supernova theoretically about as long as the pyramids have been standing over the sands of Egypt.
No weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men.-Ronald Reagan
So, do I need to build a lead-lined concrete bunker in my garden?
Stick Men
Apparently da4 discovered some new non-relative timescale that's consistent throughout the universe without respect to position or velocity. That seems much more noteworthy than this supernova thing.
All I can say is, if you see Al Gore, Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky wearing robes and riding camels... run like hell.
Now.
Now?
Now.
I can't
Why?
We missed it.
When?
Just now.
When will then be now?
Soon!
-- Thou hast strayed far from the path of the Avatar.
A few nights of having a star in the night sky that is brighter than the moon, perhaps?
And lets not forget all the religious fanatics taking it as a sign, and panicking, and causing social unrest or upheaval around the globe.
- Spryguy
There are three kinds of people in this world: those that can count and those that can't
I just hope that any local civilizations had advanced far enough to escape that horrible fate.
At the rate we're going, what with news of Congress living up to their name (opposite of progress) with regard to exploration the exploration of Mars, we won't escape the fate of our solar system.
Resistance is futile. Your technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. You will become one with the morgue
You may be thinking of SN 1006, the brightest supernova in recorded history. It was significantly brighter than Venus, though not as bright as the moon. It was bright enough to be easily seen during the day, and was bright enough to read by at night. This event was documented in Chinese, Egyptian, Middle Eastern, Swiss, and even North Americans records, as one would expect of something so amazing. Yet it is conspicuously absent from any other European writings, and the common story (i.e. i can't coroborate at all, may be apocryphal) is that the Church and their "perfect unchanging universe" doctrine made it heresy to even acknowledge that the thing was even there.
Or, maybe you're thinking of SN 1054, which according to Wikipedia may have been described by Irish monastic monks, but was later corrupted into a story of the Antichrist.
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Let me introduce you to a thing called the Internet. You can use it to look up facts and dispel ignorance. Well, I can use it that way, anyhow. Evidently you can't. Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_radiation
In short, gamma radiation is light. Just very, very high frequency light.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
"You know, you blow up one sun and suddenly everyone expects you to walk on water."
Keep in mind that on a cosmolical scale, that could be within 10,000 years or so, a few nuclear wars and greenhouse disasters later. ;-)
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The southern hemisphere sky has lots of goodies that us northern types don't get to see, and the Eta Carinae region is one of them. The nebula is slightly larger than the Orion Nebula as seen from Earth, but slightly dimmer. To me it looks like a flower blooming in space. It is accompanied by zillions of other nebulae and star clusters.
The Milky Way through Centaurus and Carina is why astronomers often go to places like Australia for their vacations. I've taken a telescope to Costa Rica several times myself, and while the view isn't as good as it is in Australia, it's a lot less travel. The only thing we really miss out on from Costa Rica are the Magellanic Clouds, which look far better from New South Wales than they do from Guanacaste. The vague smudges down at the Tico horizon are detached pieces of the Milky Way in the Aussie country sky.
My first view of the Eta Carinae region was with binoculars from St. Kilda Beach in Melbourne. It's not something one quickly forgets.
...laura
There's something that doesn't quite follow with this article. The article states that we are only in danger when the bipolar configuration faces us. However, when the bipolar morphology faces us, it will look just like a sphere. The other lobe will be obstructed by the one closest to us. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but how often do we see spherical objects in space as being identified as a bipolar configuration pointing at us?
Couldn't a person make a pretty convincing argument that the bipolar configuration is in fact the primary configuration of all such objects, and that anything that looks like a sphere to us is in fact just the bipolar configuration pointing at us?
"A man cannot begin to learn that which he thinks he already knows." --Epictetus, 1st Century A.D.
You know, I've read your Electric Universe arguments here many times before, and I'm curious. What's your background? What drew you to the EU theory?
I'll tell you the problem I have with the theory, it's the whole, "There is no fusion in stars, it's all electric!" thing. Certainly we don't know everything there is to know about plasma, and certainly the mainstream theories do not have everything nailed down, but come on! The science behind star fusion is so interwoven with all of modern knowledge and technology that if something as major as EU were true, almost everything else we know would have to be false, and all our technology would be very different.
The thing is, the Electric Universe folks make an extraordinary claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. If anyone in the EU community had that proof, they would be world famous rather than the marginalized outcasts they are. It's not like there haven't been MAJOR scientific revolutions in the past, it's just that THOSE guys had incontrovertible hard data to back them up.
At first I thought you might just be a clever troll, but your tenacity on this subject goes far beyond the casual interests of a troll. I think you really believe all this, and rather than make me think you are an idiot, which you clearly are not, it makes me very curious about what makes you tick.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
No, even in that case Eta C has already gone supernova. It might only take you one day to get to Eta C in your frame of reference, but in the frame of reference of Eta C (or the frame of reference of the Earth, for that matter) it will take very close to 7,500 years. Since it already went nova at least 6,500 years ago, you will be at least 14,000 years too late if you wanted to see it up close.
So, you think that theories that are widely accepted by the experts in the field are less objective than those theories that are accepted by their creators alone? An interesting definition, I wonder what would you call a "subjective" theory...
Theories are not evaluated on the basis of their merit alone, but rather how well their creators can withstand a relentless series of withering attacks.
Psst, I have some bad news for you. The "merit" of a theory could be very well *defined* as how it can whitstand a relentless series of withering attacks. If it cannot do that, it has no merit. Any scientist pretty much expects to have every word he publishes put in doubt, tested, and re-tested. Every number he writes will be measured again and again by people all over the world who will refuse to accept his word for it.
In fact, the worst that can happen to a scientist is publishing a work about which no one expresses any doubt, because this would mean it's considered irrelevant. A relentless series of whithering attacks is what keeps any *true* scientist alive. Only crooks fear being put to test.
This is a trend that I believe was started back in the day of Carl Sagan
Ah, no, it's much older than that! This trend dates at least to Isaac Newton.
It's a very, very large gamma ray laser, created by a very patient race with an enemy living in a globular cluster whose orbit around the galaxy will take it into the path of the polar emission stream.
The other pole's stream will be redirected with a vibrating unobtanium mirror and used to paint advertising slogans in a gas cloud on the edge of the Lesser Magellanic Cloud.
After all, the speed of light is really just the speed of causality.
No, the speed of light is the MAXIMUM "speed of causality". A causal connection between events can happen at less than the speed of light. A simple example is hearing thunder sometime after seeing the lightning strike in a thunderstorm. The connection between the two events (lightning flash and the thunder) propagates at ~330 m/s (the speed of sound in air). All relativity tells you is that the connection between two events cannot propagate FASTER than light i.e. you cannot detect any effect of the lightning before it is visible.
You'd see that in this case, you need to use the future past perfect subjunctive, which would be:
"The star is about to will had haven been exploding."