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CBC News Interprets GPL - Poorly

frankShook writes "The Canadian news service CBC has up an article entitled 'Linux distributors scorn Microsoft partnership'. Primarily, it looks to describe the ongoing licensing saga between Microsoft and Linux distributors. It also includes a highly unique interpretation of the GPL: 'Open-source software such as Linux, on the other hand, encourages individuals to add to or modify software without fear of legal repercussions, so long as they abide by the conditions of the general public license, which stipulates that the program must remain open and sharable.'"

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  1. Well, it may be inaccurate... by XnavxeMiyyep · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...but at least it's coverage. They say no publicity is bad publicity.

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    1. Re:Well, it may be inaccurate... by mqduck · · Score: 5, Funny

      They say no publicity is bad publicity.

      I think that only goes for show business. "Saturday June 24, Linux Users Eat More Babies" just ain't good for Linux no matter how you interpret the meaning of the title.
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    2. Re:Well, it may be inaccurate... by grcumb · · Score: 5, Funny

      They say no publicity is bad publicity.

      I think that only goes for show business. "Saturday June 24, Linux Users Eat More Babies" just ain't good for Linux no matter how you interpret the meaning of the title.

      Yeah, but if you do a follow-up on June 25 explaining that they're terrorist babies, it's okay again.

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    3. Re:Well, it may be inaccurate... by Enselic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed, and besides, they are not explaining it to lawyers, so it does not really need to be juridically accurate as long as their explanation captures the basic spirit of the GPL, which it did.

    4. Re:Well, it may be inaccurate... by ende_der_bescheidenh · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Saturday June 24, Linux Users Eat More Babies" just ain't good for Linux no matter how you interpret the meaning of the title. How could linux users manage to eat babies on Saturday June 24 when Saturday actually was 23rd? So there must be some kind of witchcraft or sorcery about linux, something wicked, and what's worse, it's even distributed open source. Sounds like bad news to me.
    5. Re:Well, it may be inaccurate... by alder · · Score: 5, Funny

      How could linux users manage to eat babies on Saturday June 24 when Saturday actually was 23rd?
      Well, you need to remember that news on Slashdot are often late, and sometimes they are really late (like several years). This is just another case - Saturday, June 24 was in 2006...
    6. Re:Well, it may be inaccurate... by aminorex · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Amen. Kudos to the CBC for the best damn 1-sentence explanation of Free Software in the history of journalism!

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  2. I'm not too sure I follow... by mr_mischief · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "encourages individuals to add to or modify software without fear of legal repercussions, so long as they abide by the conditions of the general public license, which stipulates that the program must remain open and sharable" sounds like a pretty reasonable shortened form of the intent of the GPL for lay people. I'm not sure one should expect a news article in the mainstream press to contain the text of the license or an entire treatise on how it came about and how it is applied.

    1. Re:I'm not too sure I follow... by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I thought the same thing, so I was confused. But then I realized that if you read it, it can be interpreted to mean *any* software. That is, someone reading that part could believe that "Linux software" encourages users to freely distribute/modify proprietary software.

    2. Re:I'm not too sure I follow... by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're missing the point of this headline, which is to generate page views, not to be accurate.

    3. Re:I'm not too sure I follow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One of the best neutral summarizations I've heard, actually.

    4. Re:I'm not too sure I follow... by lawpoop · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah really. Or maybe we should we have RMS do a half-hour rambling infomercial on the legal details of the GPL? That would help people understand the GPL better.

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    5. Re:I'm not too sure I follow... by fm6 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah, the old debate: is Zonk stupid or clever? Does he write lame headlines because he doesn't know any better or because it attracts attention? Is he Zippy the Pinhead or Bill O'Reilly?

      Personally, I happen to think that Bill O'Reilly is Zippy the Pinhead, so it's a moot point.

    6. Re:I'm not too sure I follow... by seaturnip · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually no, the original article contains the word "the" before the word "software". This is a transcription error on the part of the submitter (unless they went and corrected the article without changing the update time).

    7. Re:I'm not too sure I follow... by WarJolt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anyone who would actually understand and appreciate the words that the GPL uses have probably already read it. They did a good job at dumbing it down.

    8. Re:I'm not too sure I follow... by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah, the old debate: is Zonk stupid or clever? Does he write lame headlines because he doesn't know any better or because it attracts attention? Is he Zippy the Pinhead or Bill O'Reilly?

      Personally, I happen to think that Bill O'Reilly is Zippy the Pinhead, so it's a moot point.
      So you're saying "Zonk" is Bill O'Reilly's online pseudonym?

      That explains so much.
    9. Re:I'm not too sure I follow... by Belacgod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable from stupidity.

    10. Re:I'm not too sure I follow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      That is, someone reading that part could believe that "Linux software" encourages users to freely distribute/modify proprietary software.

      Yes, I agree. I see it from this angle as well. I should also point out that I am retarded.

    11. Re:I'm not too sure I follow... by grcumb · · Score: 5, Funny

      So Zonk's real name is Maurice?

      Some people call him Maurice.

      Some people call him the gangster of Love....

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    12. Re:I'm not too sure I follow... by quantaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually no, the original article contains the word "the" before the word "software". This is a transcription error on the part of the submitter (unless they went and corrected the article without changing the update time). How is leaving out "the" a transcription error? It's a 45 word exert, no one is going to type it you just copy+paste the text. If the "the" was in the original article at the time of citing there really aren't many plausible explanations other than trying to distort the meaning. Of course fact that the distortion isn't very misleading makes me believe there was no "the" in the original text.

      However, even if the "the" was missing my reading of the sentence still leaves the possibility that the software they're talking about is only software under the GPL. True the meaning is more ambiguous but that doesn't mean you get to assign the wrong meaning then blame the writer for the wrong meaning.

      Regardless it always bugs me how /. can have grossly misleading titles and summaries that stay on the front page forever. The comments often clear it up unanimously but the majority of readers will probably never read the comments and will come away with bad facts. I think there needs to be some kind of system whereby commenters can update headlines and summaries which are bad since the editors don't necessarily read the comments for every story. Any ideas how to do this effectively? (I think a wiki would be far too susceptible to vandalism).
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    13. Re:I'm not too sure I follow... by pairo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Secretly? His show is on Fox, that's not really 'secret'...

    14. Re:I'm not too sure I follow... by quantaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Regardless it always bugs me how /. can have grossly misleading titles and summaries that stay on the front page forever. The comments often clear it up unanimously but the majority of readers will probably never read the comments and will come away with bad facts. I think there needs to be some kind of system whereby commenters can update headlines and summaries which are bad since the editors don't necessarily read the comments for every story. Big surprise. Over 12 hours since the story was posted, the comments almost unanimously condemn the story, badsummary is one of the tags, and the title and summary are still as they were. I'm seriously considering quitting /. at this point.

      The fact is I simply can't read the links and/or comments for the majority of stories and the titles+summaries are getting so absurdly inaccurate that I need to consciously filter out information I glean from there since there's such a high probability of it being inaccurate. I love /. for the comments but the quality of articles is seriously going to have to change or they're going to start losing readers to people reading the blogs they care about directly via rss. Perhaps they could stop posting full submissions from readers, still credit them for the links but make the editors write the summaries themselves so they have to read the material and hopefully drive the story quality up.
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  3. uh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A comparison between this and what it really is would make this post make a lot of sense to a lot of people who are sketchy on the details of the GPL themselves.

  4. What interpretation? by bshellenberg · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article is hardly about interpreting the GPL as the title of this story claims. There was a one liner about an aspect of the GPL; no more.

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  5. Sounds reasonable to me by rmdir+-r+* · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Linux is under the GPL, and that is an excellent high level interpretation of it. Yes, there are details- lots of open source software IS NOT under the GPL, for instance, and has different requirements- but it's reasonable, and the topic is Linux, not BSD.


    What is so wrong, again? Why do we have editors?

    1. Re:Sounds reasonable to me by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Informative

      What is so wrong, again?

      Nothing really - it's not a completely accurate description of the GPL, but it was never intended to be. In fact, like you, i think it's a darn good layman explanation.

      Why do we have editors?

      Hey, someone has to dupe this story next Wednesday!

  6. Right idea by 4of11 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sounds like a good summary of the goals of the GPL to me. Why should the average person care exactly how it implements its goals?

  7. breaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    frankShook and Zonk Interpret CBC News Piece - Poorly

  8. right name by Laebshade · · Score: 4, Informative
  9. Re:wrong name, but pretty accurate as these things by ispeters · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the only nit I could pick in calling it the "general public license" is the capitalization. If you go read the GNU page on the GPL, you'll find they call it the GNU General Public License.

    Ian

  10. Huh? by Titoxd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is it "highly unique"? It sounds spot-on to me, as it captures the gist of it while being written in a lay language.

    1. Re:Huh? by fonik · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, it doesn't differentiate between different kinds of open-source. It makes it sound like all open-source licenses must conform to the GPL. Also, any license can be used without fear of legal repercussions related to the license as long as the abide by the license. It also doesn't mention that the software must be left open and shareable by placing it under the GPL. Has anyone mentioned that they called it the General Public License instead of the GNU Public License?

      It may be obvious to anyone who reads slashdot, but people who have never heard of the GPL could get some very incorrect assumptions from that one sentence.

    2. Re:Huh? by Tickletaint · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Holy shit. Your post embodies everything detestable about overpedantic geekery. The point is that nobody cares about all that shit you just mentioned; and in my opinion, the CBC did a great job focusing on the relevant, interesting aspects of all that shit without fifty thousand words of expository material (the entire contents of the GPL, say).

      You're also wrong about the "GNU Public License" bit. It is in fact the General Public License (plus or minus a GNU).

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  11. Sounds fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think what they wrote is just fine. It was meant to be a simple explanation of the license, not a verbatim copy. Besides, if they could 100% accurately describe the whole license in one or two sentences, then the GPL would only be one or two sentences long to begin with.

    1. Re:Sounds fine by fonik · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm still trying to figure out why BSD people and GPL people have flamewars. They're software licenses, not religions. Is there something I'm missing here?

  12. CBC News = Repeat Offender by fonik · · Score: 2, Funny

    Aww, not again. This is the same genius news source that posted the "SPEED OF LIGHT FINALLY EXCEEDED LOL" article a few months back. Old Slashdot Article.

    They still don't seem very worried about their articles being accurate.

    1. Re:CBC News = Repeat Offender by fonik · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Scientists have finally exceeded the speed of light, causing a light pulse to travel hundreds of times faster than normal. It raced so fast the pulse exited a specially-prepared chamber before it even finished entering it. The experiment is the first-ever evidence of faster-than-light motion."

      Scientists have "exceeded" the speed of light in this manner many times. Hell, you could do it yourself by quickly changing the direction of a laser pointer as you point it at the night sky. The pointer "dot" could conceivably arc across some distant object at much faster than the speed of light. Saying that the experiment was the first ever example of this kind of motion is inaccurate, and that was just the first three sentences.

      Now, I just finished reading this article and it actually does a passable job of explaining the GPL to everyday newsreaders. It's a bit ambiguous and vague, but anyone who becomes interested with GPL would be quickly set straight after looking it up. The focus was on the relationship between Microsoft and FOSS organizations anyway, not the GPL in particular. The old speed of light article was horrible because 1) most readers wouldn't look up group velocity 2) the speed of light was the focus of the article and they left out important information about their topic.

      After re-reading the old article, I'm pretty sure every paragraph has some kind of major physical misconception.

  13. Congradulations CBC! by John+Jamieson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't think I have seen the mainstream media do a better job of covering a topic in so few words. The fact that they even covered this topic, and it was on the main CBC page is AMAZING!

  14. Slashdot Article Criticises CBC - Poorly by cygonik · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Internet news service Slashdot has up an article entitled 'CBC News Interprets GPL - Poorly'. Primarily, it looks to describe the ongoing lack of capacity for Slashdot writers and editors to think outside of the IT world. It also includes a highly unique interpretation of summarization, and with great authority and sarcasm, classifies relatively succinct and accurate generalization as 'Unique'. ..which it seems to be, for the Slashdot crowd. :-p'

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  15. I think the problematic part is by rhendershot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    without fear of legal repercussions


    as if modifying software were somehow inherently illegal, immoral, wrong, dangerous, something our legal system must take an especial interest in... and so on.
  16. Inaccurate? Maybe if you misread it badly... by Xenographic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just how is it inaccurate? The General Public License exists to protect the four freedoms of the software it covers. It can't shield a person from all legal liability, of course, but I don't see any major inaccuracy. Are people reading that to say that the GPL shields one from all liability? That would be a horrible misreading of the article, not an inaccuracy. The GPL most certainly does shield people from legal liability for copyright infringement when modifying the software. You know, that whole clause in the GPL that says "You are not required to agree to anything to merely use software which is licensed under the GPL. You only have obligations if you modify or distribute" and the fact that the GPL works because modification and distribution would be copyright infringement without the permission granted by the GPL?

    That's right. The GPL shields you against copyright infringement claims by the GPL'd software's authors so long as you follow the rules of the GPL. It's the very source of the GPL's power; without it the GPL could not be enforced. Anyone who doesn't understand that that is how the GPL works doesn't know a damn thing about the GPL or copyright law. Which is probably why we're seeing this article here on Slashdot, huh?

  17. Slashdot's summary more misleading by jorghis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Come on, you are complaining about how they left out all the exceptions and nuances of it? Do you seriously expect them to just regurgitate the entire thing? The basic spirit of it is captured pretty well in that one sentence which is far better than the summary I just read here on Slashdot. I cant even begin to count the number of times I have read a summary on here which was horribly misleading or flat out false. I think this is a pretty classis case of the pot implying that the kettle could be a little less black.

  18. Oblig. Dr. Who quote by jd · · Score: 2, Funny

    Leela: "They say the Evil One eats babies!"

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    1. Re:Oblig. Dr. Who quote by Mercano · · Score: 2, Funny

      As opposed to Futurama's Leela, who eats the babies of the people of Omicron Persei VIII (who's parents aren't what you would call friendly).

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  19. Nit picking? by james_moriarty · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Meh, that's close enough. It conveys the spirit of GPL, even if it confuses a couple of things. The GPL is generally a difficult thing to explain to others.

  20. Re:Inaccurate? Maybe if you misread it badly... by Mistlefoot · · Score: 2, Funny

    If only there was a way to mod Zonks "article" -1 troll or - 1 flamebait...

  21. Re:Inaccurate? Maybe if you misread it badly... by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Informative

    The only thing out of whack is the remain sharable and the concept of shielding from liability. You don't have to share a program you changed as long as you don't distribute it.

    but the liability part, it captures the essence of free software and the principle of the GPL as you say. I think the "without fear of legal repercussions" was along the lines of , you take this program, add to it or change it, and you don't have to worry about Ubuntu taking you to court. Of course it seems a little broad in it's wording but the essence is there without getting too technical. It doesn't name the author of the article, I'm wondering it they needed the press in order to further their career. I mean, hits on the site to about the article to show to the news agency they deserve a job. It wouldn't be the first time slashdot has been used for something like this. But I'm just speculating. I didn't find the article to be too misleading. Especially when the GPLv3 comes into play.

  22. Re:Without fear of legal repurcussion? by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you take a microsoft program, extend it and then resell it, microsoft will likely come after you. If you take a GPled program, extend it and then resell it, Your not going to get the same problems if you distribute the source. You have do not have to fear legal repercussions in that aspect. I think that is what the article was trying to convey with the keep it sharable comment.

  23. I propose an article for CBC News: by zaydana · · Score: 4, Funny

    Slashdot summary interprets CBC - Poorly

  24. the submitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I read the article and can't see any glaringly obvious discrepancies with the basic nature of the gpl. I think the submitter read it wrong or something, and mr. zonk went along with it.

    Mucho weirdness.

  25. Side effects of cults by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is typical for cult-like psychology. You want to convince everyone that your technology/company/whatever is the best thing since sliced bread, eat you (consciously or not) attack any attempt from "the rest of the world" to adopt said technology.

    A big part of the value of being in a cult is that it's exclusive. We're the smart guys, the "guys who get it". The rest of the world doesn't get it, and their attempts to "get it" are laughable and worthy of mocking at.

    Except of course, the biggest fanatics usually know less on the matter than people with more objective opinions.

  26. CBC is generally open source friendly by codemachine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I remember a while back that they had tested and recommended mplayer for some of their streaming. Of course they still use Real in places too, but at least there is a Linux client for Real. And I've never had problems with their site in any browser, so I have to think they are making sure it is cross platform.

    I'm not sure it was very helpful to have some random contributor bash their explanation of the GPL, especially considering it wasn't all that bad of an explanation considering the intended audience. The fact that CBC is even reporting on the Linux distros that are resisting the shady MS patent deals is a pleasant surprise.

    So how about "Thank You CBC" instead of "lets publish an "article" which nitpicks and pokes fun of CBC".

  27. Re:Second Post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I PAPER, you LOSER!

  28. It is a perfect summary for a lay person by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I were to write a summary of GPL for the general public, I would write something very similar to that.

    The Slashdot summary, however, seems like a flame bait to me.

  29. Re:Inaccurate? Maybe if you misread it badly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You don't have to share a program you changed as long as you don't distribute it.
    That's always a dicey argument though and usually depends on the scale of its implementation. If Joe Shmoe's Inc. took some GPL'd software and modified a few lines for use in their back office I'm sure nobody would care because nobody ever heard of them, but if Ford heavily modified some piece of GPL'd software to use as a VPN client or something for 100,000 workers someone would argue that they're "distributing" it even though the software is only intended for internal employees.
  30. Re:Inaccurate? Maybe if you misread it badly... by jj421 · · Score: 2, Funny

    If only there was a way to mod Zonks "article" -1 troll or - 1 flamebait... Ah ... That would be Digg.
  31. Re:Inaccurate? Maybe if you misread it badly... by Shano · · Score: 3, Informative

    If the 100,000 workers are genuine employees, and Ford is considered a single organisation, then that isn't distribution. If some of them are contractors, or Ford want to be seen as a number of distinct legal entities (for some reason), then it probably counts as distributing it.

  32. I think it's pretty accurate. by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it's perfect. They summarized the GPL into a single sentence. Anyone who is going to use / distribute GPL software will run into the GPL in more detail. What's more annoying is that it's actually a decent article discussing Microsoft / Linux patent deals and somehow everyone is blathering on about how unhappy they are with a single sentence halfway through the article instead of perhaps... discussing the article itself.

    The CBC is disucssing Microsoft and Linux in the same page and they sound like equals. This should be a Good Thing.