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ATM Turns 40

01100111 writes "The world's first ATM was installed in a branch of Barclays in Enfield, north London, 40 years ago this week. Inspiration had struck Mr Shepherd-Barron, now 82, while he was in the bath. The machine paid out a maximum of £10 a time." It struck me there must be a way I could get my own money, anywhere in the world or the UK. I hit upon the idea of a chocolate bar dispenser, but replacing chocolate with cash.""

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  1. Wrong - Not the "first" ATM. by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 4, Informative

    From Wikipedia: A mechanical cash dispenser was developed and built by Luther George Simjian and installed 1939 in New York City by the City Bank of New York, but removed after 6 months due to the lack of customer acceptance.

    1. Re:Wrong - Not the "first" ATM. by 228e2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_Teller_Mach ine A mechanical cash dispenser was developed and built by Luther George Simjian and installed 1939 in New York City by the City Bank of New York, but removed after 6 months due to the lack of customer acceptance.[1] Thereafter, the history of ATMs paused for over 25 years, until De La Rue developed the first electronic ATM, which was installed first in Enfield Town in North London on 27 June 1967 by Barclays Bank. This instance of the invention is credited to John Shepherd-Barron . . .

      so a "MCD" isnt the same as an ATM? why didnt Luther get credit for the first "ATM"?

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  2. Not quite the same as today's ATMs. by MROD · · Score: 4, Informative

    It should be noted that the ATM of that era wasn't quite what we have today.

    Instead of having a card with a magnetic stripe which you would get back after the transaction it was a small, plastic coated punched card which would be swallowed by the machine and then sent back to the account holder afterwards. In other words, it was an emergency "I need £10 of cash" card.

    I remember my Dad having one of these from the National Westminster Bank circa 1972. ATMs didn't really take off until the magnetic stripe cards came out in the late '70s/ early '80s.

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    1. Re:Not quite the same as today's ATMs. by johnw · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Barclays system wasn't quite the same. From Barclays you got six slips of slightly stiff paper - thinner than normal punched cards but thicker than a cheque. They were about the size of a cheque but with some holes in them. Each of them could be exchanged for £10, in a plastic clip.

      The process was as follows:

      You first typed in your six digit PIN. This caused the drawer in the centre of the machine to unlock and open a little.

      Then you pulled open the drawer fully and positioned your slip on some pins in the centre of the drawer.

      Then you closed the drawer and waited whilst the machine chugged and whirred a bit.

      Finally the drawer would unlock and open a little again. When you pulled the drawer fully open your slip would have disappeared and a plastic clip containing £10 in £1 notes would be sitting in its place.

      I can still remember my father's number - 08 75 86. I don't suppose there's much chance of identity theft by quoting it now.

      John

  3. Re:UK not part of World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    They are, however you mean the British ;) not the English (who are just a small insignificant part of the UK, they can't even rule themselves given the number of german monarches and welsh or scottish PM's we've had, pathetic people! ;)

  4. Re:Asynchronous Transfer Mode? by thejeffer · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's the first thing I thought as well. C'mon, this is slashdot. If it says ATM in the title, we sure as heck better be talking about the network protocol. It's news for NERDS.

  5. Re:You still have service fees? by RMH101 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Up until about 5 years ago, some major UK banks charged people to use their cash machines if they weren't a customer of that bank. This, predicatably, ended up with those banks charging right back at the first banks customers. After a few rounds of this, it was decided that it made more sense, and would be more publically acceptable, for *no-one* to charge for their use.

    The ATMs that charge now tend to be owned by 3rd party companies, rather than the banks themselves - they put them in convenience stores, petrol stations, etc. These hook up to a phone line and work in a similar way to the Switch terminals in shops - instead of buying products, you're buying cash.

    Incidentally, the major company that operates these in the UK makes a tidy profit from doing so: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4101075.stm...

  6. Re:Protocols? by wwmedia · · Score: 2, Informative

    believe it or not all bank of ireland atms use Windows, plenty of times u see the bootup screen or and odd blue screen of death

  7. Re:Mmmm, chocolate... by digitig · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not many people in England had phones at the time, so the namespace for phone numbers only required four digits. *please mod flamebait, please mod flamebait* Too close to the truth for flamebait. Although plenty of people had phones, Subscriber Trunk Dialling (STD -- another ambiguous TLA!) was very far from widespread, so most calls went through an operator and the "number" would consist of an exchange name and the number on that exchange (my parents' number was "Penketh 5425"; I assume that the "Pennsylvania 65000" system in the USA was similar, although if the Glen Miller Orchestra is to be trusted the USA had bigger exchanges). And yes, the system did put a limit on the phones available; there was a waiting list of months or even years in some places to be allocated a number.
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  8. Re:Protocols? by simong · · Score: 2, Informative

    A friend worked for Lloyds at the start of the 90s and ATMs were effectively terminals using SNA or X500 pads to mainframes. These days they all seem to use Windows so it's probably all over IP. ATMs in shops can still use ISDN or even good old fashioned modems - it's always a bit disconcerting to hear one dial up.

  9. Good reason not to cite Wikipedia as your source! by williamhb · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Wikipedia: A mechanical cash dispenser was developed and built by Luther George Simjian and installed 1939 in New York City by the City Bank of New York, but removed after 6 months due to the lack of customer acceptance

    A good example of why not to cite Wikipedia as your source -- I followed your link when I read your comment (1830BST 25June2007), and there was no sign of Simjian or the Bank of New York on the page. But the page did list the invention by John Shepherd-Barron, which is the one you are disputing! I suspect many other readers had a similar experience. So either you were making mischief, in which case you've been found out, or it's changed since you cited in, in which case that'll teach you not to cite a publically editable source!

  10. Re:Mmmm, chocolate... by Nexum · · Score: 2, Informative

    The key point you make here is that the PIN is encrypted. There are hardware failsafes too, that prevent people with sophisticated electronics gadgetry from trying to discern a PIN's location in memory on the chip, although people have tried to hack the cards using latent backchannels such as measuring tiny tiny power changes in consumption across the chip when it operates.

    In short - don't worry too much about the PIN number being on the card. You have other things to worry about if your card is in someone elses hands than them getting your PIN.

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