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Mozilla Sunbird 0.5 Released

linux pickle writes "Mozilla has released version 0.5 of Sunbird, its calendar app. New features in this release include numerous stability and usage improvements, Google Calendar synchronization support, and much improved printing support. Check out the release notes or grab a copy."

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  1. Lightning Is Released, Too by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lightning, which is the Sunbird plugin for the Thunderbird email client, was also released.

    Update as usual: Tools > Add-ons > Find Updates

    Great work, guys!

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  2. What would be cool ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is a combined / integrated application that incorporated Firefox, Thunderbird and this Sunbird... that each part could be run separately if you wished.

    It could save on the download because each part would share the UI code, networking code, etc, given that they're all built upon a custom platform layer, and each download replicates that.

    Ah well, I'm sure it will never happen.

    1. Re:What would be cool ... by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thank you - best laugh I've had all day. What should we call this all in one thing? I don't think anything like it has ever been done before. :)

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    2. Re:What would be cool ... by Aladrin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Maybe we could call it SeaMonkey or something... Hmm...

      http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/

      I know you know this exists, but it's polite to include a URL when you're sassing someone who doesn't. ;)

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  3. Question by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

    I'm looking for a way to give my Exchange server a toss (because I hate Exchange *and* because I'm stuck with running it on Windows SBS 2003). How close is Thunderbird/Sunbird to the point where I can go to my manager and make the pitch?

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    1. Re:Question by packetmon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You should consider SurgeMail. I did away with Exchange for 200+ users using it. To the users it was transparent. They weren't using some of the core functions of Exchange anyway so it was worthless to me. After showing them how things worked, give or take a month and a half of "teach the idjit/PEBKAC (l)users", all was well and it offered the same level of functionality of Exchange. Only a couple thousand dollars cheaper.

    2. Re:Question by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What you probably need for an Exchange replacement is something that supports CalDAV. iCal in Leopard will, and it's on the Sunbird roadmap, but I don't think it's in this release. Novell's Hula also supports CalDAV, and might be an option.

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  4. Can sync (sort of) with exchange by also-rr · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are dedicated it's possible to pull your appointments from an exchange server, covert to iCal, and then import them into Sunbird.

    I still prefer KOrganiser, not least because it has an exchange plug in. Integration with the mail client is also better in my opinion.

    In fact Kontact is overall a fantastic piece of software. My only gripe is the fact that it's handling of IMAP mailboxes is horrific, but I believe that is slated for a total revamp in KDE4.

    1. Re:Can sync (sort of) with exchange by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Funny

      you are obviously not dedicated. get back to us when you are.

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    2. Re:Can sync (sort of) with exchange by MajorBlunder · · Score: 3, Funny
      If you are dedicated it's possible to pull your appointments from an exchange server, covert to iCal, and then import them into Sunbird.

      Yes, but in order to be that dedicated you would first have to be committed... To a to a highly secure facility for the chronically insane

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    3. Re:Can sync (sort of) with exchange by WonderPhil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Re-posting under my login vs my first AC post:
      With this latest announcement of Google Calendar Sync ability this opens up the option of getting my Outlook at work to sync up with my Sunbird at home on my Mac OS X desktop via a couple of hops.

      1. Outlook PC at work to ScheduleWorld.com using a Funambol client to extract from Outlook.
      2. ScheduleWorld.com to Google Calendar via ScheduleWorld's Google sync ability. You can make step #2 automatic by enabling this in the preferences of your ScheduleWorld (free) account.
      3. Sync at home from Google Calendar to Sunbird.

      ScheduleWorld has a link to Thunderbird / Sunbird, but I have had limited success with it. If the sync ability is built in to Sunbird, this should be a way smoother approach.

      Let the calendar integration begin!

  5. I'm Sorry by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm sorry to report that Thunderbird/Sunbird is nowhere near ready to replace Exchange. Depending on your needs, it might be a good fit though.

    I'd say download it and try it out. If it's too basic for your needs, and it probably is, then look at some of the open source groupware packages.

    There's some neat open source groupware out there.

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    1. Re:I'm Sorry by DrXym · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm sorry to report that Thunderbird/Sunbird is nowhere near ready to replace Exchange. Depending on your needs, it might be a good fit though.

      They would be far closer to replacing exchange if they supported Exchange. The Evolution Exchange plugin has been open sourced for ages now, porting it the cross platform Thunderbird and Sunbird would make the suite hugely more attractive to enterprises locked into MS Office for their client software.

    2. Re:I'm Sorry by QuantumRiff · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've actually tested Zimbra in my environment.. Currently we use Eudora for Pop3 and Oracle Calendar. The biggest problem I have with much of the "open source" groupware is that it is Browser only. (zimbra has an offline client that is a resource PIG). For my traveling users, they are not always connected to a network. They still need to be able to lookup when/where their next appointment is. I am planning on moving everyone to Thunderbird/IMAP for email, and would absolutely love to use an opensource calendar app, but an offline client is a must, as well as the ability to control sharing of calendars (central management), delegation, check free/busy time, etc.. If I could find a good, open source calendar server that works with Sunbird/lightning, supported SyncML for PDA's and smartphones, I would be in heaven..

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    3. Re:I'm Sorry by flydpnkrtn · · Score: 2, Informative

      PHP doesn't scale well? Wha?

      "The PHP Scalability Myth"
      http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/10/15/php_ scalability.html

    4. Re:I'm Sorry by Zonk+(troll) · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nope, tried it at mine. Lightning (a must if you are going to be using Thunderbird in the work place) missing decent native shared calendaring support. This is big stopper. But if you have users that do not require it, go for it. I've rolled it out for our laptop users, i.e users not connected to the exchange server.. Lightning/Sunbird do support shared calendaring. Use either WebDAV or FTP to host it and install it on the client as a remote calendar (whatever it's called). Writing is supported.

      If you want to dump exchange, though, go with Scalix. The Community Edition is free for 25 users, though when you get above that it's not cheap. Still, it does everything Exchange does, runs on Linux, provides an excellent web client, full integration with Outlook via a plug-in, and full integration with Evolution via a plug-in.

      There are two ways to install it. With an easy to use graphical installer that even a Windows admin can handle, or manually.
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  6. Screenshots by crazyvas · · Score: 2, Informative
  7. Re:My god this is groundbreaking news by ElleyKitten · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hahaha thanks. I probably was a little harsh, but it just struck me that this probably is unnecessary. *shrug* Considering it was at .3 for about 2 years, learning that they finally got to a new version is actually surprising news.
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  8. Exchange Required by imag0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would *love* to use it- but without Exchange calendaring support, it will be effectively a non starter for me and for thousands of other geeks out there who would love to use Thunderbird as their primary mail client at work.

    1. Re:Exchange Required by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Screw Exchange. Exchange support is the last thing in the world that the Sunbird team should be working on. The whole point of this project should be to get people to *stop* using Exchange.

      Then you better bring to the table the features that Exchange has that folks want. There is no good central calendar sharing server software in the OSS world that can do what Exchange can and integrates everything together with email. It simply doesn't exist, so folks won't migrate for that reason.

      A good first step in moving would be to integrate your client so that it can use exchange until an OSS exchange server replacement is made. That's what the grandparent wanted, and it's a very reasonable request.

      The vast masses aren't going to migrate away from MS based on principle. They want things that work. You aren't going to break the hegemony until you provide them with something that works as well. Sunbird isn't there yet. Not by a long shot.

    2. Re:Exchange Required by Sebastopol · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Screw Exchange.

      Then Sunbird is doomed to a small niche.

      Apparently you've missed the last 10 "revolutions".

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  9. Re:My god this is groundbreaking news by Columcille · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...which has nothing to do with news for nerds.

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  10. Darwin Calendar Server Support? by amper · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This should be the number one priority for the Sunbird team, if it's not already working (anyone have info on this?). Apple will have iCal 2 out with Mac OS X v10.5 in October, and the iCal Server with Mac OS X Server v10.5. Darwin Calendar Server is available for testing on Mac OS X v10.4, and should also run on any UNIX-like system.

  11. Re:My god this is groundbreaking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dear Utopian,

    I'm a bit busy right now. Cheney asked me to come back home for a nooner, and thought I would love to discuss this proposition, I cannot sit down right now.
    Perhaps some other time?

    Love,
    *S

  12. Please Fix It by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Funny

    Please use your influence as a Microsoft customer to get them to add CalDAV support to Exchange, in the spirit of cooperation and interoperability. Does anybody know if the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is looking to standards for their calendering systems as well?

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  13. sounds like the XUL Runner idea by centinall · · Score: 2, Informative

    what you're describing sounds a lot like what they wanted to do with XUL Runner. Each mozilla app could be packaged as a plugin for XUL Runner. So, you would have XUL Runner installed and then you could just download and install the firefox plugin, the thunderbird plugin, the sunbird plugin, etc... They had scheduled this for firefox 3, but it looks like it's not going to happen at least for now.
    http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/mitchell/archives/2 007/05/xul_and_xulrunner_investment.html

    Getting off topic a little, but I'm surprised that during all the recent talk of Flash, Silverlight and JavaFX, no one brought up XUL or WebKit as an alternative to a rich application framework(don't know what else to call them...). Neither of these is that ready to compete (mainly because of multimedia issues) with flash and silverlight, but they're no less ready than JavaFX at the least.

  14. Congratulations to the team by addie+macgruer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I do love this programme, it ties together all the nonsense that I have / am forced to use so that I know what I'm doing...

    * my own iBook, running iCal

    * iPod sync'ed off of iCal

    * Novell Groupwise at work, on both company Dell laptop and desktop

    * Windows Mobile 2003 PIM thing as my work mobile phone

    And what runs on everything? The open source stuff, running on many platforms and generating files to import for everything. No agenda as to 'doesn't import / export files for other platforms'. Cracking interface too, simplicity itself. Perfection is when there's nothing extraneous left to remove.

    Keep up the good work!

  15. Re:Looks awesome! by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 2

    Bidirectional Pocket Pc Sync.

    I'd switch in an instant if it had support.

  16. Google Sync is the most important... by DTemp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Syncing with google calendar is the most profound new feature to me. Having a calendar stored on one computer is no good to someone who moves between several computers. This is the same reason I use IMAP email, store my sent emails on the IMAP server so I can read even them from whereever I am, and why I DONT use gmail: because it doesnt support IMAP.

    Off topic: anyone hear any rumors about gmail supporting IMAP?

    1. Re:Google Sync is the most important... by Bardsley · · Score: 2, Informative

      Should have looked before I posted. Bidirectional access to Google Calendar from Sunbird is possible with the Provider for Google Calendar extension...

  17. Can it now track events, listed by date and time? by SydShamino · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...because it couldn't when I last used it in March.

    Seriously, I tried to organize my SXSW schedule using Sunbird.
    1. I added all playings of all movies at SXSW Film that I wanted to see into the SXSW online calendar.
    2. Then, I sync'd Sunbird to the online calendar.
    3. So that I could make local edits, I exported/reimported the calendar data as a local calendar.
    4. I looked at conflicts, etc., and determined which movies I could see on first showing versus catching reruns.
    5. When I had it about half done, I saved it and closed Sunbird.
    6. The next time I opened Sunbird, I discovered that various events had been shifted by 1 or 4 hours ahead or behind. I could find no way to set the time zone for these events to correspond to my local time zone, and I could not find a pattern between the events that had problems and those that didn't time shift.
    7. I tried to manually fix the failures, manually deleting the entries and recreating them locally. It didn't help.
    8. ???
    9. I gave up and used the crappy SXSW online tool, since I didn't want to sign up for a Google account and those were the only options.

    (FYI all online stuff I could find about this related to the DST shift, and told me to install Microsoft patches. All of those patches were already in place before I installed Sunbird or found any of these problems.)

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