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Exxon's Brute Squad Hacks the Yes Men

tom_evil notes a story up on Infoshop.org about a parody site and the lack of a sense of humor in a large multinational. "One day after the Yes Men made a joke announcement of ExxonMobil's plans to turn billions of climate-change victims into a brand-new fuel called Vivoleum, the Yes Men's upstream internet service provider shut down Vivoleum.com and cut off the Yes Men's email service, in reaction to a complaint whose source they will not identify. 'Since parody is protected under US law, Exxon must think that people seeing the site will think Vivoleum's a real Exxon product, not just a parody,' said Yes Man Mike Bonanno. Exxon's policies do already contribute to 150,000 climate-change related deaths each year,' added Yes Man Andy Bichlbaum. 'So maybe it really is credible. What a resource!'"

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  1. Blame game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not that anyone gives a damn, but is there any proof that Exxon actually was responsible?

  2. Cue all the apologists by rkcallaghan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember folks, its not censorship when big business does it!

    (Sarcasm-impaired mods: This post is a parody, much like the Yes Men's Vivoleum)

    ~Rebecca

  3. They Have A Right by mdsolar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Remember corporations have human rights too. ExxonMobile has an inherent free speech right to distort debate http://mdsolar.blogspot.com/2007/01/your-opinion-c ould-be-paid-for-by.html and threaten others with law suits to intimidate them.

    It is their right to have no sense of humor, especially if the joke is at their expense. Please be more sympathetic.
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    1. Re:They Have A Right by mikelieman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      These Artificial Legal Entities need to be re-enslaved.

      When the owners sign on the line, begging The People to permit their incorporation, they agree to go by the regulation The People impose.

      It is very much like your drivers' license.

      You OWN your car, and theoretically, in a Free Nation , that Property Right is absolute, and you may do with your property, your car, whatever you wish.

      UNTIL you sign your Drivers' license application. At that moment, when you AGREE to abide by the Regulations for Vehicles and Traffic, that you surrender your Rights.

      Exact same thing with the incorporation of ALEs. We *could* make them do whatever we want, and if they don't like it, they can just close up shop, and liquidate their assets back to the shareholders.

      But somehow, this idea of them being just as good as a Flesh-and-Blood came about.

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    2. Re:They Have A Right by mdsolar · · Score: 4, Funny

      But the poor things are only trying to do right by their shareholders. Shouldn't their high moral purpose trump mere individual rights?

  4. Nice headline, guys! by SEE · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, we don't actually know that Exxon complained to the ISP, because the ISP did the takedown "in reaction to a complaint whose source they will not identify." You can argue that it's likely to be Exxon, but the fact is nobody knows.

    Second, filing a complaint with an ISP is not the sort of action one implied by "Brute Squad".

    Third, there was no hacking involved.

    You know, the only way to improve this headline would have been to name a group other than the Yes Men as the ones who were cut off.

    1. Re:Nice headline, guys! by SEE · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, bad form replying to myself here. But!

      1) We know the Yes Men have previously masqueraded as ExxonMobil executives.
      2) This takedown has generated additional publicity for the Yes Men.

      Wouldn't it have been a master stroke by the Yes Men if they had faked their own ISP into taking them down by making the complaint themselves?

  5. because the retaliation was to disconnect them by putch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i dont like the yes men either. i tend to agree with their positions, but i feel like they ultimately hurt their cause because they wind up looking like idiots and don't change any minds but just serve as entertainment for the most die hard of leftists.

    nevertheless, their internet connection was turned off because exxon didnt like what they were saying. it's kind of disconcerting. had this been any group conservative, liberal or otherwise it is troubling that they can be wiped off the face of the internet.

    that's why it's news for nerds and why you're flamebait.

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    1. Re:because the retaliation was to disconnect them by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ok their internet connection was turned off at the request of unrevealed people, without a criminal charge or notification. There isn't even an attempt at establishing any kind of proper authority, just a command from someone powerful enough to make it happen. That's far worse than Exxon (or someone acting in Exxon's interests) being required to take this act publicly.

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  6. Re:*sigh* Corproations have too much power by Khaed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This shouldn't be moderated flamebait -- it's true enough. The US is *NOT* the only country where something someone else finds offensive will get shut down.

    Ask the people who dared publish cartoons depicting Mohammad. (Meanwhile, in the US, I don't recall violent protests of "Piss Christ" that ended with any buildings being set on fire...)

    Yes, there are many examples of freedom of expression being squashed in the US. But to imply "Only in America..." Wait, *seriously*? You *HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT*? C'mon!

  7. Re:*sigh* Corproations have too much power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are you going to out-vote Exxon with your wallet?

  8. Re:Where are the facts by canuck57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also if you are worried about the 150.000 deaths, don't use oil, except it's used in everything, even lubricant for windmills...

    And how many lives have been saved by oil, might I suggest many of millions each year that rely on the fuel to transport food and drugs...

  9. nature of satire by fermion · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I do believe that corporations in the US expect to be treated as a "person" under national and international law. The problem with this assumption is that if a person, even a head of state, murders 100 people, or even destroys massive property, such in the case Exxon Valdez, that person can be significantly inconvenienced, while corporation can evade punishment for ever. And if the corporation is given the ultimate punishment, as in the case of Arthur Anderson, the political reprecusions tend to much more significant than when the equivalent human thug is punished by state sponsored killing.

    On the other side of the argument there are persons who believe corporations should have no rights at all. These people believe that they can say the Microsoft sponsors the mass killing of anyone who disagrees with them. This is ok a the accusation is so extreme that no one would believe, so it is clearly satire. The problem, of course, is where to draw the line. Is it ok to say that MS regularly sanctions threats of any medium ranking figure who threatens their monopoly? Where does satire end and stock manipulation begin?

    Ultimately, I think we get into the nature of satire, and the death of the art form. Traditional satire abstracts some tyranical figure that is simply to dangerous to attack directly, and cleverly illustrates the tyranny and negative impact of the figure. Or satire highlights some social policy, and then proposes a ridiculous solution to it. Satire is useless when launched at figures that can be attacked directly or when is simply attributes characteristics that the figure probably does not possess.

    It saddens me that meaningless verbal attack is put forth as satire. In this case the article could have proposed that ExxonMobile convert the people into a product. Such a modest proposal would not be original, but at least would be an attempt at satire, rather than just the ranting of thugs. Or they could have attributed the action to Butthole Petrol Incompentated(BPI), or EXpat Oil Nation MOBlized , or whatever. Just make it interesting satire, not school house insults.

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    1. Re:nature of satire by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I do believe that corporations in the US expect to be treated as a "person" under national and international law. You start your argument with a wrong assumption.

      Corporations (in the US and elsewhere) employ entire squads of lawyers whose sole job it is to navigate the most profitable path through the jungle of laws. That includes demanding to be treated as a "person" whenever it is profitable to do so, and on the other hand demanding to be treated as a purely legal entity whenever that is more profitable.
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  10. Re:*sigh* Corproations have too much power by rbanffy · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, but if you make Exxon buy each and every ISP out there you can then use your very effective anti-monopoly legislation...

    No. wait...

  11. Re:News For Nerds How??!! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    They tricked someone into fronting the expenses for their stage and audience

    See, that's the funny part.
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  12. Conjecture My Ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's purely conjecture at this point.

    "Broadview did restore both IPs on Wednesday, after the Vivoleum.com
    website was completely disabled and all mention of Exxon was removed
    from TheYesMen.org."

  13. Re:Legal matters by LehiNephi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Bingo! It's important to keep in mind a few things on this very touchy subject:
    • Exxon (or whatever other oil company) are not the ones burning the hundreds of millions of barrels of oil/gasoline/natural gas every year.
    • Even if they were burning so much fossil fuel, Exxon only represents about 2% of the global oil production. They're the biggest private (i.e. not state-owned) oil company.
    • Who's burning all that gas? Well, as I drive to work (in my 35 MPG civic), I'm surrounded by people driving Tahoe's, F150's, Escalades, Explorers, Durangos, enormous Dodge Rams, Tundras, etc. By some divine decree, every building in Houston is kept at a temperature around 70F (which most people agree is too cool for the summer). That's who's causing the 150k deaths per year.
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  14. Re:*sigh* Corproations have too much power by LGagnon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Corporations have billions of dollars. We have nothing close to that. When you vote with your wallet, you always have less votes than a corporation, because your dollars determine your votes. Voting with your wallet isn't democracy, it's oligarchy.

  15. Re:*sigh* Corproations have too much power by LGagnon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This isn't about general censorship; it's about censorship for the sake of a corporation. The grandparent post was talking about the unfair power of corporations, which really is only that bad in America.