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Tangible Display Makes 3D Touchable
moon_monkey writes "Researchers in Japan have developed a display that makes 3D objects solid enough to grasp. The system, created by engineers at Japan's NTT, combines a 3D display with a haptic glove, making 3D items that look real but also feel solid to touch. Two cameras are used to image an object, to make the 3D image. A computer also uses this to render a solid representation. It could be used to inspect products remotely, or even to shake hands with someone on the other side of the world, the researchers say."
And by "McDonald's", I of course mean "teledildonics"?
Apology to Ubuntu forum.
I think porn manufacturers just popped a woody. Making it feel "real" is probably a long way off though, especially for home use.
I read the internet for the articles.
"It could be used to inspect products remotely, or even to shake hands with someone on the other side of the world, the researchers say."
Yeah! No more worrying about cooties.
Get money from pr0n kingpins. Bring them into the family and let them subsidize this tech/form their own group of researchers to specifically pursue porn related applications. It will get to market so much faster than if left to academics..
My interest would be to explore new human/computer interactions (not like that sickos). The 2d nature of monitor systems is only slightly less annoying with the new 3d super gee whiz flying through space multiple workspace navigation systems.
A haptic glove with sensitive feedback mechanisms and a graphical interface that allows organization of workspaces/workspace elements in an untethered 3d environment is something I have always wanted. Add in some good voice recognition and a chair designed so you can rest your arms while still retaining full range of motion with the gloved hand.
It would be the interface of my dreams.
c'mon you know that would attract more attention... what would Slashdot be without a iPhone title in every other story?
*runs out to buy lube*
"In America, all 3D objects are solid enough to grasp.
Darn, I'd hate to be flying in your fog!
BTW, how's breathing that 2D air thing going?
No SHIT!
That is SO INSIGHTFUL! I'm REELING at the POSSIBILITIES!
After all, I am strangely colored.
So does this mean that there is a possibility of realtime or "live" 3D encounters, no I do not think so. At this point it may be able to scan in one object and display it for feeling but doing it where new things can be scanned and created anywhere realtime would need processing power way beyond what we have so to all you sickos out there this probably wont be of much use if you like anything better then a plastic bag full of Vaseline.
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ummm... wrong thread amigo. You wanted the previous one.
Tits?
/mmmm. downloadable b00bies.
Wake me when there's tits and we'll talk.
Before we deploy this, could we make sure the safety systems work? Otherwise, I don't know how many crappy stories we'd hear about being trapped by them due to the commonly occurring alien weapon, energy burst, or 19th-century super-villain.
Where we're going, you won't need lube...
oops... still scratching my head oh how that happened... maybe the aliens didn't want this known... hehehe
I remember using a haptic glove like this at Comdex like 10 years ago. The display wasn't 3D, but other than that, it was essentially the same thing. The glove had force-feedback motors in each fingertip and when you grasped one of the objects on the screen, they provided tactile feedback representing mass, weight, and to a much lesser extent, texture. In the demonstration, you had to stack blocks of varying types. Very simplistic, but also very very cool. I always wondered where the tech went since I never saw it again after that.
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So, I'm the 14th person to comment, so I'm 14 people too late to point out the pr0n application. So here's a few nifty, but not dirty, uses:
Shoot, I'm sorry, I'm too excited about the pr0n application. Will these gloves be waterproof for easy cleaning?
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I would very much like to know how this relates to haptic glove technology.
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Last time I checked, the problem with haptic stuff was that the update interval was too slow - touch required something like 1 khz refresh times ... how has this been fixed?
(Im too lazy to log in so how the hell am I going to rtfa)
Mod parent insightful for shits sake!
Games, you momos! Yes, sex is fun, too, but games are fun... also... Yeah...
Imagine wielding a "REAL" sword and having it slice through "REAL" flesh. Or... or... Damn it all, just forget what I just said. Sex is far better.
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...shortly thereafter, the human era will be ended.
... well, I could, but the other posters in this thread already made all of them.
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I have the monitor that shows a control stick of an aircraft and when there are G's or damage taken it shakes and I feel it. Nothing new.
One more step towards a true cybersex experience!
...and I think this is how they have been handing me my paychecks.
You had me at, "Hello".
Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
In Soviet Russia, 3d tangible display touches you!
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It's really exciting to finally find a new brother, enlightenment. :)
This idea goes back a long way. I think it was first tried in the 1970s, using the input end of a remote manipulator arm intended for handling radioactive material. It's been done dozens of times since then. The problem is doing it well.
We have enough compute power now to get the lag down to a few milliseconds, which was a big problem ten years ago. Then it's mostly a mechanical design problem. Most of the devices so far were too clunky. Is this one better?
Sweet setup! Im buying one as soon as they finish programming "Three Stooges: The Game" on that puppy!
This has been done a long time ago: http://www.onzin.nl/fufme/index.shtml.htm
Who is this Jimmy character, and why was he cracking corn in the first place?
Did anyone else notice?
"... Makes 3D Touchable"
"...makes 3D objects solid enough to grasp."
And yet:
"... also feel solid to touch."
How exactly is feeling solid to the touch, i.e. having the illusion of being solid, that same as actually being solid, as both the title and first sentence rather clearly state? Sheesh.
Regardless, I'm kinda curious... given that it only creates the illusion of solidity, if as suggested one were to shake hands virtually using the device, what would happen if one were to do a Schwartzenegger and squeeze too tightly? Would the other person wince in agony?
A device which allows us to punch people in the face....OVER THE Internet!
Well what about panspermia?
;)
And more importantly perhaps, what does this have to do with tanglble 3D displays?
Yes! Finally! Everyone was laughing when I said VRML was the future, now who's got the last laugh? h0 h0 h0!
Hail the 3-touchable-red-cubes!
No, probably not. The usefulness of this kind of tech is actually quite low. First all, they don't specify what kind of 3D display they use, but from the picture it looks like they using a simple LCD, and presumably shutter glasses. Makes sense, because it's the cheapest 3D solution, but not ideal 3D display technology. It means for example, if you move your head, the 3D image will deform and the tactile feedback will no longer correspond with the image exactly.
So don't use this one for virtual surgery!
Still, it's cute they try to bring this kind of tech to hobbyists. I wonder what it costs.
assignment != equality != identity
Let's be realistic -- beat the crap out of him!
This is NOT what they are calling it.
How can it be a 'tangible 3D display" if you have to wear a special glove connected to a computer and a 2D monitor?
A DISPLAY is a device for VISUALLY interpreting something. A TANGIBLE DISPLAY is something that displays information that can be manipulated BY the hand directly, not manipulated by the hand THROUGH another data input system.
A real tangible display would be something that can display images or data 3-dimensionally, and would allow the displayed data or image to be directly manipulated or sensed as it is displayed. If you have to use a glove to sense the tactility of objects, then you are not using a 3D display, but are coupling a 2D display for visual information *AND* a tactile-feedback apparatus (in this case, a glove) for tactile sensations and feedback. A good example of a tangible 3D system would be something like the '3D Holographic Communicator' that is used in Star Wars, or the holographic Faberge Egg in Ocean's Twelve, except that you would be able to manipulate the displayed image directly with your hands, UNAIDED, as well as see it.
This is the same thing as playing music on a spectrogram, on your computer, while placing your hands on speakers, and then claiming to have invented something that lets you "see and feel sounds, rather than just hear them".
Another analogy would be to claim that you have x-ray vision, but need a fluoroscope to make use of it. "We invented a Tangible 3D Display, but you need to wear a special glove connected to a 2D display and a computer to use it.".
I wish scientists would stop giving names to things that they really aren't. It's getting *VERY* irritating, and they are losing credibility because of it.
Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
I think this is a load of crap that won't serve any useful purpose. How does that glove differentiate between holding the hand of a month old baby versus touching the statue of david ? The glove and all its sensors are physical i.e. that they would have to change their physical state in order to simulate different 'touches'. Otherwise some other form of feedback (e.g. electrodes in brain) may have to be thought of to simulate different 'touches'. The way its currently built, everything will feel the same. Thoughts?
Who says they're joking?
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I don't imagine any heavy processing requirements here. Collision detection on 3D objects is done in almost every 3D game. The nodes in the glove are equivalent to a few other moving game objects colliding with the 3d object in question. How many games have you seen that can handle that workload? Quite a few, I think.
This article is B.S., though. This isn't a "tactile display", it's just a 3D display, much like we've had for decades, with a force feedback glove attached.
What about "video" chat for blind people where they can touch other people's faces? Wouldn't that be cool?
I'm sure p0rn apps will come out first, though.
Fantastic! No more sweaty hands!
Tyranny isn't the worst enemy of a democracy. Cynicism is.
From the photo, the equipment on the hand looks like stuff from Immersion Corporation (http://www.immersion.com). You may remember Immersion as the company who won a lawsuit for the vibration technology in the Playstation controllers. GameDaily Biz has branded them as 'Patent Trolls'. However, it may not be their hardware - in which case please skip the next paragraph.
The Cyberglove is a tight glove with flexion sensors to register finger position and thumb rotation. That would also lead me to believe that the haptic device is Immersion's CyberGrasp. The Cybergrasp uses an exoskeleton-like device with rings that fit over each finger joint give resistive force feedback to simulate 'collision' with an object. You can do your own Google image search for the Cybergrasp. It's almost always used with a CyberGlove. The CyberForce is a force-feedback armature for providing resistance in 6 degrees to the position of your hand. It's produced with technology licensed from SensAble Technologies.
All of these pieces of hardware have been around for years. The same applies with many flavors of 3D displays. I fail to see what the new technology here is. VR people have been doing this for a long time.
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This is NOT a 3D display which physically projects part of the screen to wrap your hands around it - this is basically a force-feedback glove with servo's on it to provide the force-feedback/touch resistance used in conjunction with a 2D flat-panel monitor providing a holographic display...
/. or some idiot blogger who *just* saw an article on tech we knew about a month ago...
Just clearing things up for people there - cuz its only the very top of TFA, and I'm sick of shitty headlines hyping old news just to generate page views on
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crap.
Add support in blender or Maya and I'll be a happy camper. I've always wish there was a way of creating 3d models via a virtual 3d sphere that you could pull, and mold into an object vs doing it with a mouse and keyboard.
You think that's air you're breathing?
I don't think there's a geek in the world with the sheer physical strength to work with that interface for very long.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
I don't think a "display" is a device that wraps around your hand.
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Imagine a body suit using this technology so when playing online games, you feel the bullets going through your body. Kinda takes the fun out of 'run and gun', but then would make a much more realistic game play. But I'm afraid it won't happen and because people would get too caught up in it and the headlines would read: "300 gamers died while playing Call of Duty".
3D Porn.... you just _knew_ it was coming, didn't ya???
Mmmm... I really can't think of any application for this. NON-PORN related, that is!