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Swarm Theory Makes National Geographic

g8orade writes "Swarm Behavior / Swarm Theory has made the pages of National Geographic. Brief but interesting article with several examples." Swarm theory has been discussed here a few times in recent years.

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  1. "Practical Applications" of Swarm Theory by chillax137 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They cite a practical application of Swarm Theory as optimizing the business operation of a gas producer. They say this technique was inspired by how ants learn to forage for food, but this technique is a standard (and pretty obvious) solution to numerical optimization. So while the idea is interesting and can definitely be applied to networks of robots, it is a retroactive explanation of something that has already been developed (for marketing purposes, I'm sure).

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  2. Unmentioned in the article by Control+Group · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not mentioned, but it seems an obvious sort of question to ask given the content they've got: is there anything to "real" (by which I mean, individual) intelligence other than swarm behavior at the neuron level? In fact, is the entire biology of any given animal (ourselves, obviously, included) anything more than swarm behavior at the cellular level? Or, if we accept the idea that cells are just a reproductive mechanism for DNA, is it just swarm behavior at the molecular level?

    Which would have a fascination all its own, since I don't think anyone's ever argued that DNA has anything we'd call intelligence. If all of life arises out of swarm behavior at the molecular level, we've managed to take intelligence completely out of the equation.

    Which, in turn, just makes this another facet of the belief that the entire universe is an emergent phenomenon of a vast set of simple items following simple rules.

    The truly intriguing observation (from my point of view, anyway), though, is that this emergent phenomenon contains examples of exactly the same mechanism at so many levels of complexity. It wouldn't necessarily have to be true that simple interactions at the fundamental particle level would give rise to higher-order behaviors that can be macroscopically described as simple interactions at that higher level. It's the fractal nature of the mechanism that is most intriguing, I think.

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    1. Re:Unmentioned in the article by ThosLives · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, I don't really see this as "swarm intelligence" so much as a system with self optimizing behavior.

      Take the example of the gas producer / distributor. They have a system of equations linking variables (the routes that trucks can take, cost to operate the trucks, and price of the product at various plants) which is solved for an optimal solution. The optimization is simply to find the maximum profit - it's a very simple optimization problem. (For mathematical definitions of "simple".) The fact that it's not intuitive doesn't really mean anything other than intuition isn't a good method for optimizing systems.

      The interesting thing is that the biological system of an ant hive developed to be an "optimization solver" - which isn't really that surprising considering the whole point of a biological system is to minimize some potential (as happens with all physical systems). It just so happens that with biological systems, minimizing that potential also increases the probability of the system existing for longer periods of time (in other words, perpetuating the species). I think ant hive behavior is kind of anthropic - if hives were not optimized that way, ant hives wouldn't exist because all the ants would be dead.

      So, yes, this is nifty stuff, but I don't see it as "intelligence" so much as an optimization problem.

      Of course, it may be the case that "intelligence" is the result of an optimization, but it may also be the case that "intelligence" falls into "Godel space" (i.e. that space where something exists but can't be proven because logic, being sufficiently powerful, is incomplete).

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    2. Re:Unmentioned in the article by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Which would have a fascination all its own, since I don't think anyone's ever argued that DNA has anything we'd call intelligence. If all of life arises out of swarm behavior at the molecular level, we've managed to take intelligence completely out of the equation.

      DNA doesn't but the process of evolution manages to make perfect designs from swarm like rules I think. I'm pretty comfortable with the idea that all intelligence is emergent behaviour from swarms actually.

      The truly intriguing observation (from my point of view, anyway), though, is that this emergent phenomenon contains examples of exactly the same mechanism at so many levels of complexity. It wouldn't necessarily have to be true that simple interactions at the fundamental particle level would give rise to higher-order behaviors that can be macroscopically described as simple interactions at that higher level. It's the fractal nature of the mechanism that is most intriguing, I think

      You know there's a hole in all this that I think means we don't understand it. Once DNA and proteins are there, evolution has booted up and can do anything. But DNA and proteins are two complex to appear by chance. My hunch is that some evolution like process which was not dependent on DNA and proteins must have been running first, and it made them as tools before they took over. But no one to my knowledge has explained how this could work, though some people have tried.

      But life appeared pretty soon on earth, almost instantly, and I don't believe in luck or supernatural intervention, so I'd expect someone to figure it out sooner or later.

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    3. Re:Unmentioned in the article by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're you're own parent? Woah... ;)

      I don't fault Wolfram's idea in general, but I think the main criticism is that he makes associations that are unwarranted. Combine that with the tome he wrote over a number of years in almost complete isolation, claiming that it would totally revolutionize science, it makes him come off as a little crazy. If it weren't for the fact that he is a genius, and he has contributed immensely to various fields, I think people would dismiss him as a total nut. But even productive geniuses can go insane, or have an 'episode' where they go off on the wrong track for a while.

      Basically he takes the patterns you can get from the game of life mathematics, and says it can describe almost anything, and then shows how, as one example, patterns in sea shells look similar to output from a game of life checkerboard.

      Not that game-of-life examples can't be used to describe things, but to jump to the conclusion that it can describe everything, and the implication that it *is* the fundamental function of the universe... well, time will tell! ;)

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    4. Re:Unmentioned in the article by lawpoop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, I don't really see this as "swarm intelligence" so much as a system with self optimizing behavior. I think the reason people are talking about this is that it goes against the sort of inborn intuition about where intelligence lies in living organism.

      Without critical study, we seem to have the inborn idea that the individual mull-cellular organism is intelligent. Humans are intelligent, dogs less so, plants, not really at all. If a group of organisms is acting intelligently, we assume that each one of them has to be pretty smart, or else the whole group couldn't be smart. In the case of swarms that exhibit intelligence, none of the organisms seem to be that smart -- or at least, they don't have the complete set of smarts that is shown in the group behavior. In fact, they are pretty simple when it comes to interacting with groups.

      So when studying ant colony behavior, there was kind of a conundrum in the field for a while. If individual ants are dumb, why does the colony behave so intelligently? People where then looking for the hidden smarts inside each individual ant. Or, another possibility is that colony behavior really isn't that smart, despite it seeming so to us.

      But it turns out colonies really are smart, *but* there are no hidden smarts in the ant. The ant really is dumb. It's only when you combine their simple behavior in the swarm that you find intelligence. It's not in the ant; it's in the colony.

      This is a paradigm shift in the understanding of complex behavior of multicellular organisms. We have had good evidence of individual organisms acting smart, that was never in question. But until now, we have never had good scientific, mathematical evidence of intelligence at the group level. People may have suspected it, but now they have evidence to convince skeptics.
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  3. Re:Nomenclature by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Agreed. And TFA itself is a little confused itself about the differences between the "Hive Mind" and swarming/schooling/flocking/herding behavior; which are really two completely different things.

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  4. Re:Alternatively by Cemu · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - Kay
    Exactly. I have a friend that theorizes that the IQ of a group of people is the IQ of the smartest person divided by the number of people in that group. If you pay attention to this the next time you are in a group, you'll find yourself breaking away from it quite often.
  5. Sentient Groups & Algorithm Difficulties by aldheorte · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A Fire Upon The Deep novelizes the potential of sentient consisting of several physically individual members who do not have sentience as individuals, although this runs tangential to the plot.

    Everyone with some algorithm design experience knows that you can get complex behaviors (often known as bugs) with a set of simple rules. Unfortunately, the wide range of problems to which we apply computers, generally by business demands, require rigorous certainty. We want to know exactly how many beans were shipped, not an estimate. Individual instances of an algorithm cooperating via simple rules inherently introduces uncertainty or reflects a very inefficient approach to solving a certain problem. This goes against the grain of classical training and thinking about computing.

    Collective intelligence may also depend on all individuals having some level of variation, yet cooperating through simple rules. In this case, the emphasis goes to the protocol and not the algorithm. I believe that further research will find that some level of individual variation will become recognized as an essential element of perceived group intelligence, important to breaking recursive feedback loops and deadlocks. Unfortunately, attempts to emulate this in computing will run into the issue that group perceived intelligence may not be determined so much by design, but by fitness for a particular, narrow purpose, with truly remarkable group intelligence requiring many iterations exposed to actual operating conditions or good simulations thereof.

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  7. Re:The brain is a swarm by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Would your body classify as a swarm of atoms?

    Unlikely. A swarm is composed of units that are functioning individuals as well, with their own individual complex behavior patterns.

    That's what makes swarm theory so interesting. if they were all working together because they were effectively cogs in the swarm "machine" then the fact that the sum is greater than the parts wouldn't be interesting at all.

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  8. Re:Swarm Theory and Economics by wvmarle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    you're mixing up communism and socialism. Communism, in the Marxist sense, has never been reached. The planned economy is a stage in Marxes theories on the way to communism, which is a utopia where everyone works for themselves, taking only what they need, giving what they can or think the group needs. Communes often come close to communism (and the words being almost the same is no coincidence).

  9. Re:Swarm Theory and Economics by xappax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The idea that there is a net benefit for a group from the collective selfish actions of individual actors is closer to what this article is describing as swarm theory.

    Actually, the article doesn't say anything about the collective selfish actions of anybody. In fact, in almost all the examples given, the actors are behaving unselfishly. The ants don't know exactly why they should go out and follow a given trail, the bees don't really understand why they should choose one nest over another - even a protester wasn't aware of how their movement to a particular street would help overwhelm police.

    There is no apparent benefit to any of the individuals in doing any of that. In fact, I daresay that a "free market" ant wouldn't follow any trails, wouldn't bother to smell any pheromones, it would just chill in the nest and eat what the other ants brought, expending the minimum effort for the maximum gain. And free market ants certainly wouldn't automatically tell everyone else where the food-jackpot was that one of them had personally worked to find.

    So I agree that swarms are unlike authoritarian communism. They're unlike authoritarian anything, simply because swarms are anti-authoritarian and non-hierarchial - any structure involving a boss or a "chain of command" cannot function as a swarm. However, they're definitely not behaving the way a free market does, either. The key thing to understand is that the actors in a swarm are voluntarily doing non-selfish things because those things, when done by a lot of actors all together, will result in a net benefit for all the actors.

    So, swarms definitely have a sort of collectivist, socialist tinge to them, because they require all the actors to base their actions on what will benefit and sustain the group - not them personally. However, because of the lack of authority, swarms are sort of a more pure form of socialism that is inherently resistant to the corruption and oppression by things like governments or leaders.

    I think swarms are one of the most important trends in society, because they're the one thing that terrifies all people in power - capitalist CEOs and communist dictators alike.

  10. How to Kill the Bad Aliens Now? by J.+L.+Nelson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In Hollywood movies such as "I, Robot" and "Independence Day" a non-swarm organisational structure is assumed and actions by the hero, such as destroying the central processing core or blowing up the mothership, generally puts an immediate and dramatic end to the world's invasive trouble. What would happen in a movie where the invasive enemy had a swarm organisation? I'm not a movie buff at all, so can anyone point out any examples of this? Perhaps Hitchcock's "The Birds" (which I haven't seen) or some killer bee-type movie? On the other hand, movies like "I, Robot" and "Independence Day" also glorify the worth of individual thinking to benefit the whole, but more in terms of exceptional individuals who stand out over the rest, rather than to point out how a group of independent-minded individuals can overcome obstacles. (Again, any examples to the contrary?) Yet, it seems to me that it would be more beneficial to society as a whole to propaganise the swarm organisation. Will Hollywood catch on--with effect--or is Western society too enamoured with the cult of the individual for it to make a difference?

  11. Re:Swarm Theory and Economics by Elemenope · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Where does Marx discuss luxuries? or is this your personal addition to the theory?

    Yeah, you must be one of those people who believe that Christianity is simply the "stuff that Jesus said". Please. Communism is not restricted to Marx's writings; he laid the foundational theoretical work for the system he was describing; the evolution of the idea did not stop with his death.

    But, beyond that, it doesn't take much assuming to fit a theory of luxury commodities into a Marxist framework. Since his major critique of Capitalism stemmed from the exploitation of the surplus value created by the appropriation of labor, and the major item that he wished to remove from an economic system was that exploitation, my thumbnail description of how luxury goods might work is perfectly apt. A good Marxist economist would probably factor in the fetishization of commodities in attempting to suss out the difference between a true luxury good and a practical but non-necessary good, but since I am neither a Marxist nor an economist, that isn't my job. I'll leave it to others.

    Next time you want to make a smartass comment, be sure it isn't based on a caricature of an idea rather than the idea itself. Ideas, per se, do not belong to their creators, right from the moment where they publish it on a page or speak it from their mouths; to assume so is to place an arbitrary (and frankly ridiculous) restriction upon how to understand how an idea has evolved into its present form and the manner in which it is likely to continue to do so.

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